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Supreme Court tosses ruling against bakers who refused cake for gay couple

Carjosse said:
Would you support them if they denied to bake a wedding cake for a black couple?
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If the black couple wanted them to make a cake for a same sex wedding yes. They weren't denying them service because they were gay. They were refusing to make a custom product that said something they didn't agree with. That is speech or expression and it is covered by the first amendment.
 
CLAX1911 said:
If the black couple wanted them to make a cake for a same sex wedding yes. They weren't denying them service because they were gay. They were refusing to make a custom product that said something they didn't agree with. That is speech or expression and it is covered by the first amendment.
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That’s not what happened in this case. The Kleins refused to bake the cake when they found out there was another bride rather a groom. There was no mention of writing on the cake. They didn’t even even get that far because one of the brides was told at their scheduled tasting that they would not bake the cake. And let’s not forget the other despicable act on the part of the Kleins - posting the contact information of this couple and encouraging their harassment.
 
Carjosse said:
If they are in private practice and do not offer the service to the general public then no however they must refer them to a doctor who will.
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And if facilitating an abortion by doing that is against their religious principles would you support them?
 
Napoleon said:
That’s not what happened in this case. The Kleins refused to bake the cake when they found out there was another bride rather a groom. There was no mention of writing on the cake.
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If they just wanted a generic cake sure. But wedding cakes are almost always custom.

They didn’t even even get that far because one of the brides was told at their scheduled tasting that they would not bake the cake. And let’s not forget the other despicable act on the part of the Kleins - posting the contact information of this couple and encouraging their harassment.
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I don't think the Klines can be blamed for harassment.
 
pamak said:
No, I would not as long as this doctor gets some federal benefit (say money from Obamacare or Medicare) and as long as the abortion is within the time frame of legal abortions as it has been determined by the Supreme Court!
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That is what I thought you would say.


This is a case of the constitutional right to practice your religion vs the constitutional right to have an abortion. One right does not Trump the other right. There are many physicians that would not preform an abortion for religious reasons. There are other abortionist that perform abortions. There are other bakers that will bake a wedding cake for a gay couple. There is no reason to try to force someone to violate a constitutional right to follow their religion as they choose.
 
lurchadams said:
I wouldn't want to force anyone to do anything they didn't want to do, including these bakers. However, I feel that religion is only an excuse to mask their bigotry. If I knew a bakery refused to serve anyone they could easily serve, such as gay people, for religious reasons or whatever other B.S. they chose to hide behind, I'd find myself a different bakery. I hope others would boycott these bigots as well, and drive them out of business.

I trust the market to take care of evil, such as the bigotry.

It's 2019, not 1950 my friends!
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I don't have any problems letting the free market deal with the issue. I do have problems with trying to have the government force them to violate their religious beliefs.
 
Napoleon said:
I’m not privy to every complaint that hits the desks of every commission in the country. There probably are some other businesses that end up with a fine or worse for discrimination but it seems that “Christians” are the only ones making a bunch of noise about wanting special exemptions from the law.
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When the jerk wads sue a non-white, non-Christian business, you be sure and let us know. K?
 
Carjosse said:
To me if you are going to serve the general public, you have to serve the general public.
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So the black or Jewish baker must bake a cake for a Klan or Nazi rally?
 
Buzz62 said:
I've never heard of a religion that discriminates based on colour...have you?
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You ever seen a black folks gathering around Celtic runes or giving themselves cute online nicknames referencing Nordic gods? No? If so, funny. I've met tons of white Rastafaris.

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Hatuey said:
You ever seen a black folks gathering around Celtic runes or giving themselves cute online nicknames referencing Nordic gods? No? If so, funny. I've met tons of white Rastafaris.

Sent from the Oval Office using Putin's MacBook, and Barr's Wi-Fi password.
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No I see them gathering around the local McDonald's and giving each other odd nicknames with initials...sometimes closely followed by Dog.
What's with this Dog thing?
 
SLC said:
That is what I thought you would say.


This is a case of the constitutional right to practice your religion vs the constitutional right to have an abortion. One right does not Trump the other right. There are many physicians that would not preform an abortion for religious reasons. There are other abortionist that perform abortions. There are other bakers that will bake a wedding cake for a gay couple. There is no reason to try to force someone to violate a constitutional right to follow their religion as they choose.
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If a physician works for a clinic which does not benefit from the federal market, I am okay with his decision not to perform abortions for whatever reason. I am even okay if a certain clinic chooses to shield certain employees from abortion and assign such procedures only to those who do not have a moral objection. But I am not okay with a clinic which gets benefits from the federal government while it claims that it does not provide such service for religious purposes.
 
SLC said:
And if facilitating an abortion by doing that is against their religious principles would you support them?
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No they need to find a new line of work in line with their beliefs, if your beliefs prevent you from doing your job then you should not be doing that job. It is like that county clerk who refused to issue a marriage license to a same-sex couple.
 
Carjosse said:
If they are in private practice and do not offer the service to the general public then no however they must refer them to a doctor who will.
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I'm not sure a doctor is under any obligation to refer anyone to anyone.
 
SLC said:
I don't have any problems letting the free market deal with the issue. I do have problems with trying to have the government force them to violate their religious beliefs.
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Yes, my friend. We're both saying the same thing. I wouldn't want anyone forced to do something they didn't want to do, as long as whatever they're refusing to do doesn't harm anyone.

For example, if a person, lets say a president of the United States if offered dirt on one of his political opponents from oh..... lets say Russia... and refuses to call the FBI - I think he should face legal consequences for that :)
 
jimbo said:
I'm not sure a doctor is under any obligation to refer anyone to anyone.
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Just search Google with doctor obligation to refer. There are even court cases.
 
SLC said:
I don't have any problems letting the free market deal with the issue. I do have problems with trying to have the government force them to violate their religious beliefs.
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No one is forcing them to operate a bakery that serves the general public.
 
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