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[W:775]Trump: ‘I think I’d take’ damaging info on 2020 rival from foreign operatives

Trump said:
not rocket science...and Dems unloaded dossier to John McCain to carry it last 5 yards....glad McCain is not around the Senate any longer...and must be rolling over in his grave knowing Graham is good friends with Trump and even golfs with him.

McCain was POS war Monger
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Easy to put that crap forth on a message board from the safety of your own home. Do you have the courage to say it face to face to any former U.S. Veteran who was a POW ?
 
j-mac said:
What I'm wondering about that, is that if Russia is the giant boogeyman you people say, then why sell ANY uranium to them? And further, what would you folks be saying if Trump had he done this? Hell, y'all lose your minds when people stay in his hotels....[emoji38]

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LOL I showed you that we BUY much of our uranium from Russia, far more than we can produce here. It is not a national security resource we have plenty of nukes on our ICBM's. It is apparent that you don't like the free market and want govt. to control our natural resources. That is strange don't you think? Should we nationalize our oil resources too?
 
Ouroboros said:
Some of the things Obama did may indeed seem to be the embodiment of sweet reason, but that's not always what discourages dictators from advancing expansionist agendas. If you want to believe that Obama is in no way responsible for Putin ratcheting up his aggression, that's your privilege, and I don't care that much about the argument because we have insufficient evidence about how Putin viewed Obama.

This position is consistent with my expressed opinion that we do not know that much about what Putin views/viewed Trump, but that too many people presume to render that judgment because those people will use any club, strong or weak, to attack Trump.

And so I reiterate that Trump's alleged kowtowing means no more than Obama's "flexibility" remark, in the sense of political gamesmanship.
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Alleged kowtowing? Did you see him in Helsinki? He also bowed out of Syrian peace negotiations, threatened to withdraw from NATO, sanctioned out own allies, gutted the State Dept. and now is driving China into Putin's camp with his trade war. There is not a single thing he has done that Putin does not want and like.
 
Logician Man said:
Easy to put that crap forth on a message board from the safety of your own home. Do you have the courage to say it face to face to any former U.S. Veteran who was a POW ?
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if they espouse McCain war mongering...all day everyday
 
iguanaman said:
Alleged kowtowing? Did you see him in Helsinki? He also bowed out of Syrian peace negotiations, threatened to withdraw from NATO, sanctioned out own allies, gutted the State Dept. and now is driving China into Putin's camp with his trade war. There is not a single thing he has done that Putin does not want and like.
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Do you think Putin likes Trump beating him in arms sales?

I for one tend to doubt it. :)
 
iguanaman said:
LOL We have always sold more arms than anybody but you claim it is Trump?
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As I remarked in a previous post, Obama scaled down military spending, so I think it quite possible that we weren't turning out as many munitions during his tenure.

If you have a link to an argument that countervails the essay to which I linked, be sure to whip it out.
 
Ouroboros said:
As I remarked in a previous post, Obama scaled down military spending, so I think it quite possible that we weren't turning out as many munitions during his tenure.

If you have a link to an argument that countervails the essay to which I linked, be sure to whip it out.
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LOL Which is it you are touting? Trump's massive deficit spending on the military or his courting of terrorist dictatorship countries like Saudi Arabia to sell arms to?
 
OpportunityCost said:
If you are going to outright lie, why bother posting at all?

Steele's sources were Russian in origin per the Mueller report every liberal suddenly finds to hold such weight in their thoughts. So would you care to rephrase or are you going to continue to go with utter bull****?
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You do know that it's not illegal to hire a foreign firm who does oppo research, right?

What is illegal is gifts, 'things of value'. Clinton hired Fusion, who subcontracted with Steele. Also, his "dossier" was floating around intel circles, the FBi, even McCain had a copy who gave it to the FBI.


Trump's "I'll take dirt from russia if it is volunteered" is illegal. Hillary's hiring Fusion GPS is not.
 
OscarLevant said:
You do know that it's not illegal to hire a foreign firm who does oppo research, right?

What is illegal is gifts, 'things of value'. Clinton hired Fusion, who subcontracted with Steele. Also, his "dossier" was floating around intel circles, the FBi, even McCain had a copy who gave it to the FBI.


Trump's "I'll take dirt from russia if it is volunteered" is illegal. Hillary's hiring Fusion GPS is not.
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Oh-- so if Trump were to receive information from anonymous Russian sources that, say, that the Democratic nominee was participating in a conspiracy to fix the 2020 election, there would be a violation of the law somewhere in that.
 
Atomic Kid said:
You don't know anything at all about Steele's sources. But since when has that ever stopped you? Steele saw a crime in progress in reported it whereas Junior sought to exploit a crime for his and his father's personal and political benefit and whatever harm comes from it be dammed. Just so long as they get theirs.
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Steele saw a "crime in progress" (he was wrong BTW), because of the information he received from his anonymous Russian sources. The refusal to consider that Steele fell victim to the Russian plot is absurd.
 
OscarLevant said:
I'm just responding to your comment to which yours was a reply to something that was OT.

If you have a problem with it, do not contribute to OT subthreads such as:





Foreign diplomats and personel staying in his hotels are done to curry favor with the president. That's a violation of the emoluments clause. Ivanka made a few million last year from Trump Washington DC. Hotel. If that were Hillary, the right would be marching on washington with pitch forks. The hypocrisy of the right is mindbloggling.
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You don't know what you're talking about...There is NO law that states that any sitting President must divest, or liquidate all investments before becoming President...Further, Ivanka is not Hillary...She's an advisor, not a cabinet level member....Further, she's working with her father for $0. Are you really saying that even unpaid advisors have to give up their sources of income? I don't think you want that standard going forward for your preferred candidate...

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Atomic Kid said:
You don't know anything at all about Steele's sources. But since when has that ever stopped you? Steele saw a crime in progress in reported it whereas Junior sought to exploit a crime for his and his father's personal and political benefit and whatever harm comes from it be dammed. Just so long as they get theirs.
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Handing out information isnt a crime.
 
OscarLevant said:
Trump's "I'll take dirt from russia if it is volunteered" is illegal. .
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Made up nonsense. Mueller examined the **** out of the situation and didnt allege ANY crime.
 
Atomic Kid said:
You don't know anything at all about Steele's sources. .
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So far the sources we know of are Presidential Advisor to Putin Vladislov Surkov and Vyasheslov Trubnikov, a former head of Russian External Intelligence Service, SVR. And an un named "senior Russian Foreign Ministry figure". according to Steele.
 
Athanasius68 said:
Oh-- so if Trump were to receive information from anonymous Russian sources that, say, that the Democratic nominee was participating in a conspiracy to fix the 2020 election, there would be a violation of the law somewhere in that.
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It's a gift, but because it's a lie, whether it equal "a thing of value", I don't know. I mean, you can make up lies without resorting to receiving gifts.
 
j-mac said:
You don't know what you're talking about...There is NO law that states that any sitting President must divest, or liquidate all investments before becoming President...Further, Ivanka is not Hillary...She's an advisor, not a cabinet level member....Further, she's working with her father for $0. Are you really saying that even unpaid advisors have to give up their sources of income? I don't think you want that standard going forward for your preferred candidate...

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That's a bull**** argument and you know it. There is no law that you have to divest in domestic investments, but Without divestiture in foreign entanglements or domestic entanglements that cater to foreign leaders, emoluments clause violation commences the moment you take office.

Ivanka is FAMILY, she's Trump Incorporated and she's working in government as an advisor. The idea she's not being paid doesn't alter the fact that her position within father's company gave China tremendous incentive to approve of some, what, 16 trademarks and other bennies she's getting from her dad being president. Even Melania's wares were being hawked on the WH website, which they had to remove
White House site updated to remove Melania Trump QVC reference - CNNPolitics

Youd think they'd have enough brains to realize you can't do that. Trump, et al, are corrupt, the most corrupt administration in history.

The moment Trump took office, he doubles the membership fee to Mar A Lago from $100K to $200k. THeir security is so lax that a spy was on the premises with a bag full of spy goodies.

Mar-a-Lago intruder: The president’s resort is a magnet for spies.

And I'm just getting started.
 
OscarLevant said:
That's a bull**** argument and you know it. There is no law that you have to divest in domestic investments, but Without divestiture in foreign entanglements or domestic entanglements that cater to foreign leaders, emoluments clause violation commences the moment you take office. .
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Nonsense. Interest or dividens paid on an investment isnt an emoluments clause violation. Neither is payment in exchange for a hotel room.
 
dixon01767 said:
Made up nonsense. Mueller examined the **** out of the situation and didnt allege ANY crime.
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Trump said, that he would willingly commit a felony.

Your comment is beside the point, noting that it is also factually incorrect:


...if we had confidence after a thorough investigation of the facts that the President clearly did not commit obstruction of justice, we would so state. --- The Mueller Report
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OscarLevant said:
Trump said, that he would willingly commit a felony.

Your comment is beside the point, noting that it is also factually incorrect:
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Well, then Mrs. Clinton actuality committed a felony. And then Obama used that felonious activity to start up an investigation of Trump.
 
OscarLevant said:
It's a gift, but because it's a lie, whether it equal "a thing of value", I don't know. I mean, you can make up lies without resorting to receiving gifts.
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How would we know it would be a "lie" without an investigation?
 
OscarLevant said:
You do know that it's not illegal to hire a foreign firm who does oppo research, right?

What is illegal is gifts, 'things of value'. Clinton hired Fusion, who subcontracted with Steele. Also, his "dossier" was floating around intel circles, the FBi, even McCain had a copy who gave it to the FBI.


Trump's "I'll take dirt from russia if it is volunteered" is illegal. Hillary's hiring Fusion GPS is not.
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If the sources were known it would be illegal. If Fusion GPS knew his sources, knowing what the purpose of the information was for, it was illegal. If you think the dossier held no value, well, you just aren't paying attention.
 
OscarLevant said:
That's a bull**** argument and you know it. There is no law that you have to divest in domestic investments, but Without divestiture in foreign entanglements or domestic entanglements that cater to foreign leaders, emoluments clause violation commences the moment you take office.

Ivanka is FAMILY, she's Trump Incorporated and she's working in government as an advisor. The idea she's not being paid doesn't alter the fact that her position within father's company gave China tremendous incentive to approve of some, what, 16 trademarks and other bennies she's getting from her dad being president. Even Melania's wares were being hawked on the WH website, which they had to remove
White House site updated to remove Melania Trump QVC reference - CNNPolitics

Youd think they'd have enough brains to realize you can't do that. Trump, et al, are corrupt, the most corrupt administration in history.

The moment Trump took office, he doubles the membership fee to Mar A Lago from $100K to $200k. THeir security is so lax that a spy was on the premises with a bag full of spy goodies.

Mar-a-Lago intruder: The president’s resort is a magnet for spies.

And I'm just getting started.
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Lol....wow!...Then why has he not been impeached?...You guys have all the power...: shrug:...Unhinged rantings of fellow travelers in the MSM won't get you what you want.

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iguanaman said:
LOL Which is it you are touting? Trump's massive deficit spending on the military or his courting of terrorist dictatorship countries like Saudi Arabia to sell arms to?
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You stated that you thought Trump was doing everything Putin wanted him to do. This is ridiculously easy to disprove just by looking at Trump's actual policy with respect to Russian expansionism. Since I gathered that your "Never Trumper" attitude would not be open to proof, I elected to toss out something a little lighter in spirit.

Ergo, I'm not "touting" anything Trump has or hasn't done. I tend to tout accuracy over virtue-signaling narratives, but I suspect that your only response to this will be-- another virtue-signaling narrative.
 
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