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Supreme Court refuses to hear challenge to U.S. gun silencer law

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From United Press International

Supreme Court refuses to hear challenge to U.S. gun silencer law

June 10 (UPI) -- The U.S. Supreme Court declined requests Monday to consider a challenge that says firearm silencers are protected under the Second Amendment, and therefore owners should not be required to register them.

Two cases are behind the challenge, from two men who were convicted of failing to register their silencers. The high court's unanimous decision affirms an appeals court ruling that upheld the men's convictions, saying silencers are not "bearable" arms protected by the Constitution.

The case was brought by Army surplus store owner Shane Cox, who made unregistered homemade silencers, and customer Jeremy Kettler, who bought one. They were convicted of violating the 1934 National Firearms Act, which requires silencers be registered and taxes paid to the government. The law makes it harder to acquire or sell a silencer, but does not constitute a ban. Eight states and Washington, D.C., do ban silencers.

The ruling came less than two weeks after authorities say a worker used a handgun and silencer to kill 12 people in Virginia Beach, Va. on May 31.

COMMENT:-

What an absolutely asinine ruling!!! Everyone knows that the Founding Fathers were 100% on board with the Original Intent that silencers were an essential part of the ability of the average person to resist an oppressive and tyrannical socialist government that had abandoned all traditional (and biblically sanctioned) morality and social order. Not only that but silencers are an absolutely essential adjunct to any hunter's equipment and here we have a bunch of left-wing, libtard, socialist, pinko, commie judicial activists trampling all over every American's 2[SUP]nd[/SUP] Amendment **R*I*G*H*T*S**!!!

Isn't it time that Mr. Trump tossed them all out of office and put in some **R*E*A*L** "People's Judges" so that the country can return to the peace, prosperity, economic order, and social order that it had when the Founding Fathers first established the world's first (and still only) Republic "With Liberty and Justice For All" (as long as you were White, Male, and Christian)?

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From United Press International

Supreme Court refuses to hear challenge to U.S. gun silencer law

June 10 (UPI) -- The U.S. Supreme Court declined requests Monday to consider a challenge that says firearm silencers are protected under the Second Amendment, and therefore owners should not be required to register them.

Two cases are behind the challenge, from two men who were convicted of failing to register their silencers. The high court's unanimous decision affirms an appeals court ruling that upheld the men's convictions, saying silencers are not "bearable" arms protected by the Constitution.

The case was brought by Army surplus store owner Shane Cox, who made unregistered homemade silencers, and customer Jeremy Kettler, who bought one. They were convicted of violating the 1934 National Firearms Act, which requires silencers be registered and taxes paid to the government. The law makes it harder to acquire or sell a silencer, but does not constitute a ban. Eight states and Washington, D.C., do ban silencers.

The ruling came less than two weeks after authorities say a worker used a handgun and silencer to kill 12 people in Virginia Beach, Va. on May 31.

COMMENT:-

What an absolutely asinine ruling!!! Everyone knows that the Founding Fathers were 100% on board with the Original Intent that silencers were an essential part of the ability of the average person to resist an oppressive and tyrannical socialist government that had abandoned all traditional (and biblically sanctioned) morality and social order. Not only that but silencers are an absolutely essential adjunct to any hunter's equipment and here we have a bunch of left-wing, libtard, socialist, pinko, commie judicial activists trampling all over every American's 2[SUP]nd[/SUP] Amendment **R*I*G*H*T*S**!!!

Isn't it time that Mr. Trump tossed them all out of office and put in some **R*E*A*L** "People's Judges" so that the country can return to the peace, prosperity, economic order, and social order that it had when the Founding Fathers first established the world's first (and still only) Republic "With Liberty and Justice For All" (as long as you were White, Male, and Christian)?

[The above officially approved and endorsed by "Devoted Online Lovers of Trump" Inc. (a non-partisan, independent, research and analysis organization exempt from federal taxation that is dedicated to bringing you the true truth and not the false truth that anyone who doesn't believe 100% of what Donald Trump says tries to tell you the so-called "facts" are), "Pro-Life United Gun Enthusiasts and Manufacturers for Jesus", and “The ‘First Amendment Rights Trust’ Foundation”.]​

I fell out of my chair.... :lamo
 
From United Press International

Supreme Court refuses to hear challenge to U.S. gun silencer law

June 10 (UPI) -- The U.S. Supreme Court declined requests Monday to consider a challenge that says firearm silencers are protected under the Second Amendment, and therefore owners should not be required to register them.

Two cases are behind the challenge, from two men who were convicted of failing to register their silencers. The high court's unanimous decision affirms an appeals court ruling that upheld the men's convictions, saying silencers are not "bearable" arms protected by the Constitution.

The case was brought by Army surplus store owner Shane Cox, who made unregistered homemade silencers, and customer Jeremy Kettler, who bought one. They were convicted of violating the 1934 National Firearms Act, which requires silencers be registered and taxes paid to the government. The law makes it harder to acquire or sell a silencer, but does not constitute a ban. Eight states and Washington, D.C., do ban silencers.

The ruling came less than two weeks after authorities say a worker used a handgun and silencer to kill 12 people in Virginia Beach, Va. on May 31.

COMMENT:-

What an absolutely asinine ruling!!! Everyone knows that the Founding Fathers were 100% on board with the Original Intent that silencers were an essential part of the ability of the average person to resist an oppressive and tyrannical socialist government that had abandoned all traditional (and biblically sanctioned) morality and social order. Not only that but silencers are an absolutely essential adjunct to any hunter's equipment and here we have a bunch of left-wing, libtard, socialist, pinko, commie judicial activists trampling all over every American's 2[SUP]nd[/SUP] Amendment **R*I*G*H*T*S**!!!

Isn't it time that Mr. Trump tossed them all out of office and put in some **R*E*A*L** "People's Judges" so that the country can return to the peace, prosperity, economic order, and social order that it had when the Founding Fathers first established the world's first (and still only) Republic "With Liberty and Justice For All" (as long as you were White, Male, and Christian)?

[The above officially approved and endorsed by "Devoted Online Lovers of Trump" Inc. (a non-partisan, independent, research and analysis organization exempt from federal taxation that is dedicated to bringing you the true truth and not the false truth that anyone who doesn't believe 100% of what Donald Trump says tries to tell you the so-called "facts" are), "Pro-Life United Gun Enthusiasts and Manufacturers for Jesus", and “The ‘First Amendment Rights Trust’ Foundation”.]​

People murdered by a madman with a silencer don't pay money to gun lobbies. But madmen with guns support the NRA. That's all we need to know.
 
From United Press International

Supreme Court refuses to hear challenge to U.S. gun silencer law

June 10 (UPI) -- The U.S. Supreme Court declined requests Monday to consider a challenge that says firearm silencers are protected under the Second Amendment, and therefore owners should not be required to register them.

Two cases are behind the challenge, from two men who were convicted of failing to register their silencers. The high court's unanimous decision affirms an appeals court ruling that upheld the men's convictions, saying silencers are not "bearable" arms protected by the Constitution.

The case was brought by Army surplus store owner Shane Cox, who made unregistered homemade silencers, and customer Jeremy Kettler, who bought one. They were convicted of violating the 1934 National Firearms Act, which requires silencers be registered and taxes paid to the government. The law makes it harder to acquire or sell a silencer, but does not constitute a ban. Eight states and Washington, D.C., do ban silencers.

The ruling came less than two weeks after authorities say a worker used a handgun and silencer to kill 12 people in Virginia Beach, Va. on May 31.

COMMENT:-

What an absolutely asinine ruling!!! Everyone knows that the Founding Fathers were 100% on board with the Original Intent that silencers were an essential part of the ability of the average person to resist an oppressive and tyrannical socialist government that had abandoned all traditional (and biblically sanctioned) morality and social order. Not only that but silencers are an absolutely essential adjunct to any hunter's equipment and here we have a bunch of left-wing, libtard, socialist, pinko, commie judicial activists trampling all over every American's 2[SUP]nd[/SUP] Amendment **R*I*G*H*T*S**!!!

Isn't it time that Mr. Trump tossed them all out of office and put in some **R*E*A*L** "People's Judges" so that the country can return to the peace, prosperity, economic order, and social order that it had when the Founding Fathers first established the world's first (and still only) Republic "With Liberty and Justice For All" (as long as you were White, Male, and Christian)?

[The above officially approved and endorsed by "Devoted Online Lovers of Trump" Inc. (a non-partisan, independent, research and analysis organization exempt from federal taxation that is dedicated to bringing you the true truth and not the false truth that anyone who doesn't believe 100% of what Donald Trump says tries to tell you the so-called "facts" are), "Pro-Life United Gun Enthusiasts and Manufacturers for Jesus", and “The ‘First Amendment Rights Trust’ Foundation”.]​

Actually, silencers are quite useful, but too many people believe all the Hollywood hype that silencers "silence" guns. They don't. They take about 10-15 db off the noise. The purpose of silencers is to protect hearing. The Supreme Court must have been at the gun range without ear protection, because they are certainly deaf on this issue.
 
James Bond movies lied to you. ‘Silencers’ should be mandatory, not banned.
 
How does wanting to save my hearing = Being a mad man?

If that was the real issue, people would simply go with the easy (and cheaper) solution of wearing a headset or earplugs.

Your statement sounds more like an excuse than a real need...
 
Oddly enough it is quite uncivilized in the UK to hunt without one.
 
If that was the real issue, people would simply go with the easy (and cheaper) solution of wearing a headset or earplugs.

Your statement sounds more like an excuse than a real need...
Does not work well in a hunting scenario.
 
How does wanting to save my hearing = Being a mad man?

Aaaaah, so the Virginia Beach shooter was using a silencer only to protect his own hearing!

It makes so much sense now! Thanks for the explanation!

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I don't know much about the topic of silencers, so take my opinion with a grain of salt...

Isn't the point of banning them about preventing silent crime? Gun shots alert everybody that gun use is in progress. It draws attention. Wouldn't allowing widespread silencer use also be a safety concern? I'm even thinking about shooting ranges, or people's backyards. Couldn't someone theoretically walk into harm's way if they can't hear guns being fired?
 
Aaaaah, so the Virginia Beach shooter was using a silencer only to protect his own hearing!

It makes so much sense now! Thanks for the explanation!

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He wasn't concealing his position. He was improving his aim by reducing noise and flash. His position was not concealable.
 
The Supremes got it right here.
 
He wasn't concealing his position. He was improving his aim by reducing noise and flash. His position was not concealable.

But I thought you said it was just to protect his hearing!

Aww, come on! You are getting me all confused now!

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I don't know much about the topic of silencers, so take my opinion with a grain of salt...

Isn't the point of banning them about preventing silent crime? Gun shots alert everybody that gun use is in progress. It draws attention. Wouldn't allowing widespread silencer use also be a safety concern? I'm even thinking about shooting ranges, or people's backyards. Couldn't someone theoretically walk into harm's way if they can't hear guns being fired?

They reduce the sound. They do not eliminate it.

Hollywood silencers are different from real ones.
 
But I thought you said it was just to protect his hearing!

Aww, come on! You are getting me all confused now!

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The reduction of sound improves aim and protects hearing. The reduction of flash improves aim more.

The important thing is we realize "silencers" are not about concealing position. They don't work like in the movies.
 
Try hunting with ear plugs or sound suppressors.

Taint easy.

It is very easy! You do not wear them all the time. You wear them just before you load to shoot. It is not that complicated. The headset will be around you neck and in less than a second you can wear it to protect your ears.
 
It is very easy! You do not wear them all the time. You wear them just before you load to shoot.

What about neighbors. We don't need the noise.
 
If that was the real issue, people would simply go with the easy (and cheaper) solution of wearing a headset or earplugs.

Your statement sounds more like an excuse than a real need...

Ever tried to hunt with earplugs in or headphones on? Of course you haven't, you've never hunted...
 
It is very easy! You do not wear them all the time. You wear them just before you load to shoot. It is not that complicated. The headset will be around you neck and in less than a second you can wear it to protect your ears.

LOL Never, ever hunted deer. They will be gone if you actually load before shooting.
 
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