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    Re: Justin Amash gone from House Freedom Caucus after saying Trump's conduct was 'impeachable'

    Quote Originally Posted by code1211 View Post
    So now you're saying that Trump DID collude with the Russians? Seems a little removed from reality.

    Does this level of delusion occur naturally?
    The report clearly establishes and demonstrated such collusion.

    Why do you pathologically fear reading it?

    Mueller Found Evidence of Collusion - The Moscow Project

    Guide to the Mueller Report’s Findings on “Collusion” - Just Security

    I suggest knowing what you're talking about before actually talking.
    Well, he see this one particularly hot chick and not does she bag he slackjawed, but he lets a "Whoa" slip out

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    Re: Justin Amash gone from House Freedom Caucus after saying Trump's conduct was 'impeachable'

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    You like to play both side it appears, when are you going to actually stand for something besides hating Trump? All I see is complaining. You need to get a grip, you let you hating of Trump change you.
    Change? Or reveal?

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    Re: Justin Amash gone from House Freedom Caucus after saying Trump's conduct was 'impeachable'

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Can you believe her idiot post? I asked her if Democrats stood for her principles, because she believes Reps should lose every election for a generation; but not a word about what Democrats have done. Obviously she sees merit in what they're doing.
    Can you believe your passive aggressive post?

    I never mentioned Democrats. Amash is not a Democrat. Your thread isn't about Democrats. You took your own thread off topic. And yet here you are, playing footsie with another poster talking about my "idiotic post" when your post was off-topic and completely idiotic.
    It's disgraceful. I'm going to maybe and I'm looking at it very seriously. We're doing some other things that you probably noticed like some of the very important things that we're doing now. But we're looking at it very seriously because you can't do that. - President Donald J. Trump

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    Re: Justin Amash gone from House Freedom Caucus after saying Trump's conduct was 'impeachable'

    Quote Originally Posted by Barnacle View Post
    McConnell's in-laws' activities have been known far and wide for years ... no secret there. Didn't seem to have bothered anybody on either side of the isle for ever.

    Amash is co-owner of a Chinese company, importing half-finished tools to his family-run business, finishing them here and selling them then as made in the USA.
    Hardly anybody knew about this ... until he opened his large-ass mouth. Well, he shut up pretty quickly now ...
    Ivanka Trump cashed in on her daddy's presidency by obtaining 16 trademark patents from China. These trademarks are not something that just any American can obtain. The trademarks approved for Ivanka Trump-branded products — which also include nursing homes, sausage casing, handbags, shoes, wedding dresses and jewelry — were coincidentally first applied for in 2016 when daddy was elected. Since she has retained her foreign trademarks, the public will continue to have to ask whether Trump has made foreign policy decisions in the interest of his and his family’s businesses.

    Ivanka's business ties in China are shrouded in secrecy.

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    Re: Justin Amash gone from House Freedom Caucus after saying Trump's conduct was 'impeachable'

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    You like to play both side it appears, when are you going to actually stand for something besides hating Trump? All I see is complaining. You need to get a grip, you let you hating of Trump change you.
    I don't want to know how much you love Trump, American. Keep your passions to yourself.

    I didn't change one bit. If you posted honestly (which you don't), you would know that. I said the same thing about Obama and his supporters. You didn't pee in your panties about those posts.

    Stop whining. I don't support Trump. I'm not alone. You have to get over that.
    It's disgraceful. I'm going to maybe and I'm looking at it very seriously. We're doing some other things that you probably noticed like some of the very important things that we're doing now. But we're looking at it very seriously because you can't do that. - President Donald J. Trump

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    Re: Justin Amash gone from House Freedom Caucus after saying Trump's conduct was 'impeachable'

    Quote Originally Posted by trixare4kids View Post
    No more stupid than your vile comparison of Trump supporters to Jim Jone's koolaid drinkers.
    Hardly vile.... actually a rather poignant question that should be pondered and debated: "Is Donald Trump a cult leader".... Many feel there are a lot of parallels, beginning with the fact that his followers in the Republican Party have been quick to abandon traditional beliefs and compromise fundamental American values only to feed Trump's insatiable ego.

    A cult is typically characterized by a membership that 1) espouses an all-encompassing belief system; 2) exhibits excessive devotion to the leader; 3) avoids criticism of the group and its leader; and 4) feels disdain for non-members. Sounds like a day on DP.


    This first article lists 50 attributes of a cult leader. I think most people would count 35-45 that describe Trump.

    Dangerous Cult Leaders | Psychology Today

    But, as I mentioned, there are a lot of experts on cults that will tell you that what we are witnessing with Trump and his followers is fundamentally cult-like behaviors. Study up.

    The Cult of Trump | History News
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    From article: "....Part of the problem is that many Republicans confuse Donald Trump with a Republican. He is not a party president, and barely a party member. He is instead, the leader of a cult. This transformation was noted a few months back by then Republican Senator Bob Corker of Tennessee, who openly asked if his party was “becoming a cultish thing”. Donald Trump does not represent traditional Republican values, policy positions, or core principles such as limited government, individual freedom, respect for democratic norms, freedom of expression and press, active and strong democratic alliances, a pro-democracy foreign policy, and the dignity of public service. No, this is not your daddy’s Republican Party, it is Trump’s personal cult. ..."


    Donald Trump is like a cult leader, says religious studies scholar | The Independent
    A Cult Expert Finds Familiar Patterns of Behavior in Trump's GOP - Pacific Standard
    The Cult of Trump | GQ
    The dangerous cult of Donald Trump - Los Angeles Times
    https://newrepublic.com/article/1526...ape-trump-cult
    https://freedomofmind.com/tag/donald-trump/
    https://www.theatlantic.com/national...a-cult/361400/

    Seven signs you are in a religious cult (how many are we seeing playing out here --- at least 4)

    1. Opposing critical thinking (the news is fake)
    2. Isolating members and penalizing them for leaving (Justin Amash, Jeff Flake, Bob Corker)
    3. Emphasizing special doctrines outside scripture (NATO is bad, the Europeans are deadbeats, Russia is our friend)
    4. Seeking inappropriate loyalty to their leaders (TDS)
    5. Dishonoring the family unit (anyone not with Trump is a RINO)
    6. Crossing Biblical boundaries of behavior (versus sexual purity and personal ownership) (3 Wives and affairs with pornstars - men will be man)
    7. Separation from the Church (Franklin Graham and Friends)

    Perhaps you don't buy any of these arguments, but one should at least be intellectually honest enough to see at least some validity in the indictment. If not, perhaps you are in too deep.

    Maybe this should be required reading for all DP posters: http://theconversation.com/how-to-ta...ing-cult-68930
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    Re: Justin Amash gone from House Freedom Caucus after saying Trump's conduct was 'impeachable'

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    There was plenty of evidence of collusion by members of the Trump campaign.... it just did not rise to the standard of prosecutable conspiracy. The Mueller investigation was about conspiracy, not collusion.

    Mueller report shows 'evidence of collusion', says Nixon lawyer John Dean – as it happened | US news | The Guardian
    AP FACT CHECK: Trump, Barr distort Mueller report findings

    From AP article: "...Allegations of “collusion” were not “proven false” in the Mueller investigation, nor was the issue of “collusion” addressed in the report.

    The Mueller report said the investigation did not find a criminal conspiracy between the Trump campaign and Russia, saying it had not collected sufficient evidence “to establish” or sustain criminal charges.

    The report noted that some Trump campaign officials had declined to testify under the 5th Amendment or had provided false or incomplete testimony, making it difficult to get a complete picture of what happened during the 2016 campaign. The special counsel wrote that he “cannot rule out the possibility” that unavailable information could have cast a different light on the investigation’s findings.

    The report also makes clear the investigation did not assess whether “collusion” occurred because it is not a legal term. The investigation found multiple contacts between the Trump campaign and Russia, and the report said it established that “the Russian government perceived it would benefit from a Trump presidency and worked to secure that outcome, and that the Campaign expected it would benefit electorally from information stolen and released through Russian efforts.”
    Once again for the slow learners...The special counsel found that Russia did interfere with the election, but “did not find that the Trump campaign, or anyone associated with it, conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in these efforts, despite multiple efforts from Russian-affiliated individuals to assist the Trump campaign.”

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    Re: Justin Amash gone from House Freedom Caucus after saying Trump's conduct was 'impeachable'

    Quote Originally Posted by trixare4kids View Post
    Once again for the slow learners...The special counsel found that Russia did interfere with the election, but “did not find that the Trump campaign, or anyone associated with it, conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in these efforts, despite multiple efforts from Russian-affiliated individuals to assist the Trump campaign.”
    I am not sure what you are quoting from, Barr's letter? That would be a slow learner if you did... Please provide cite for above.

    That actual quote is : “[T]he investigation did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities.”..... "did not establish" is not the same as "no evidence of"..... there remains evidence of, it just did not rise to the level of conspiracy. Mueller's focus was criminal (which frankly is a disappointment, as it should have been about "what happened", but that is another discussion) Bear in mind, there was obstruction of the investigation, including people lying in testimony and not honoring plea deals. To what extent it actually interfered with its outcome, we do not know.

    Again, the Mueller investigation focused on whether crimes were committed. Apparently there as not sufficient evidence to establish a crime, but that does not mean there was no evidence. There were plenty of instances of quid and quo throughout the campaign and the Trump campaign did nothing to discourage Russian assistance in their election bid, including Russia find the emails and that night the DNC was hacked... that is collusion... apparently it was not conspiracy.

    Guide to the Mueller Report’s Findings on “Collusion” - Just Security
    Notes on the Mueller Report: A Reading Diary - Lawfare
    Mueller report: collusion findings are devastating for Trump - Vox
    Mueller Found Evidence of Collusion - The Moscow Project

    (Credit to Tanngrisnir for a couple of those cites)

    That is neither here nor there. My issue with Trump was never about collusion in the campaign, it has been about his financial entanglements with Russia, which we still don't know about (and I was assuming Mueller was on, but apparently not). Anyway, you do get to say that Trump was not involved in a conspiracy (thank God for that), but you really don't get to say there was no collusion.
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    Re: Justin Amash gone from House Freedom Caucus after saying Trump's conduct was 'impeachable'

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    I don't want to know how much you love Trump, American. Keep your passions to yourself.

    I didn't change one bit. If you posted honestly (which you don't), you would know that. I said the same thing about Obama and his supporters. You didn't pee in your panties about those posts.

    Stop whining. I don't support Trump. I'm not alone. You have to get over that.
    More underwear references. You got a thing.....

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    Re: Justin Amash gone from House Freedom Caucus after saying Trump's conduct was 'impeachable'

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Seems he has accepted what everyone else already knows. People are not allowed to disagree with their political party. You must blindly follow what you are told and any break or sign of conscience is grounds for dismissal and you are the other side.

    It is sad that politicians and largely Americans as a whole have to accept, support and agree with everything the party leaders say. No more doing what is right for America - it is about doing what is best for the party.
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