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White House Tried to Stop Climate Science Testimony, Documents Show

Inch the conversation forward? Don't run from the subject with this Booker BS.
Oh, so when other people use your tactic, it's called "BS". Interesting.... Try formulating an actual argument that's relevant to the conversation.

Technically, I don't even know if I disagree with you or not yet, but you want me to argue with you based on some questions you refuse to answer yourself. It's ridiculous.

What agenda did Strong reference in his opening statement at the Rio Summit he organized?
Shall I take it that you don't know the origins of Booker's anti-Climate Science Agenda?
 
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Oh, so when other people use your tactic, it's called "BS". Interesting.... Try formulating an actual argument that's relevant to the conversation.

Technically, I don't even know if I disagree with you or not yet, but you want me to argue with you based on some questions you refuse to answer yourself. It's ridiculous.

Shall I take it that you don't know the origins of Booker's anti-Climate Science Agenda?

Don't play games.

I asked the question about Maurice Strong. I provided links.

If you don't want to answer the question about him, then run along.
 
Deniers are becoming a smaller and smaller minoirty both in US and globally.

How people worldwide view climate change | Pew Research Center

There you also starting to see a shift amongst Republicans.

"A small but growing number of Republican lawmakers are urging action on climate change, driven by shifting sentiment among GOP voters and the effects of global warming, from stronger hurricanes to more-destructive wildfires.

The group backs policies rooted in what they consider GOP principles, favoring market-based solutions rather than government regulations. Many are loyal supporters of President Trump, but they part with him on climate change, which he has dismissed as hyped."


Some Republican Lawmakers Break With Party on Climate Change - WSJ
 
Don't play games.

I asked the question about Maurice Strong. I provided links.

If you don't want to answer the question about him, then run along.
Oh, ok. I thought you had an opinion you thought was relevant to the discussion. Very well then.
 
Maurice Strong is relevant to any discussion about Global Warming.

Seems you don't want to know that.
I know about Maurice Strong. As far as I'm concerned, he is irrelevant and you won't explain why you think he's important. It looks a lot like you are trying to imply some kind of conspiracy theory about Strong instead of debating facts about global warming, but you won't even try to prove your conspiracy theory. So far your "argument" looks something like this:

Step 1: Maurice Strong, globalist agenda !!!1
Step 2: ??????????
Step 3: Global warming is BS!
 
US C02 emissions, energy consumption and electricity consumption are double that of many other developed countries. So, US have not only greater opportunity to reduce its emissions but also to create a stronger economy through for example energy efficiency.

List of countries by carbon dioxide emissions per capita - Wikipedia

List of countries by energy consumption per capita - Wikipedia

List of countries by electricity consumption - Wikipedia

The US also have a great opportunity for renewable energy, with for example deserts and other sunny areas or solar power.

Also that the US is one of the world's biggest and innovative economies so US can play a decisive role when it comes to economies of scale and innovation of renewables and other technologies.

There you already seen drastic advancement and cost reductions in renewable energy and other technologies.

Renewable energy prices have fallen - this is how much | World Economic Forum
 
I know about Maurice Strong. As far as I'm concerned, he is irrelevant and you won't explain why you think he's important. It looks a lot like you are trying to imply some kind of conspiracy theory about Strong instead of debating facts about global warming, but you won't even try to prove your conspiracy theory. So far your "argument" looks something like this:

Step 1: Maurice Strong, globalist agenda !!!1
Step 2: ??????????
Step 3: Global warming is BS!

No, your answer is wrong. The agenda Maurice Strong introduced in his opening statement to the first "Climate" summit he put together in Rio in 1992 was Agenda 21.

You don't know anything about Maurice Strong. Why lie about it?

Do you have any clue what Agenda 21 is?

You demonstrate exactly the kind of thinking that makes the whole issue of Climate Change such an insane objective.

You don't appear to have a clue what is really going on within the "science". All you know is that CC is bad, and we're all going to die unless something is done about it. You don't know who is funding who, you don't know the end game, the players, how they got there, and why.

You don't care that the "solution" requires you to dig into your pockets, and along with the rest of the US, hand over to strangers more money than at any other time in the history of mankind


And, by the way, you've been told that if you don't, and if you don't attack and erase those evil "deniers" who are asking questions, or challenging any aspect of the plan, you will be grouped with them and mocked and erased as well.

With all that in mind, it's very easy to ignore the screeching from the Warmists who won't even take the time to know what they are handing their future over to.
 
No, your answer is wrong. The agenda Maurice Strong introduced in his opening statement to the first "Climate" summit he put together in Rio in 1992 was Agenda 21.

You don't know anything about Maurice Strong. Why lie about it?

Do you have any clue what Agenda 21 is?

You demonstrate exactly the kind of thinking that makes the whole issue of Climate Change such an insane objective.

You don't appear to have a clue what is really going on within the "science". All you know is that CC is bad, and we're all going to die unless something is done about it. You don't know who is funding who, you don't know the end game, the players, how they got there, and why.

You don't care that the "solution" requires you to dig into your pockets, and along with the rest of the US, hand over to strangers more money than at any other time in the history of mankind


And, by the way, you've been told that if you don't, and if you don't attack and erase those evil "deniers" who are asking questions, or challenging any aspect of the plan, you will be grouped with them and mocked and erased as well.

With all that in mind, it's very easy to ignore the screeching from the Warmists who won't even take the time to know what they are handing their future over to.

I had to look it up because you seems sooooooooooooooo adamant that this Agenda 21 is super scary and we should all be weary of its agenda. Of course the first hit was this article published in the Guardian.
Here's the title: Agenda 21: a conspiracy theory puts sustainability in the crosshairs. Just as I suspected.

Here's one excerpt from the article:
On the surface, it’s hard to see why Agenda 21 is so controversial. While it urges international cooperation, it is hardly the totalitarian, internationalist screed that critics claim. Far from promoting international governance, for example, it calls for greater local government involvement in sustainable agricultural and urban development.

This made me laugh:
Pundit Glen Beck, for example, hoisted the paranoid banner with Agenda 21: Into the Shadows, a 2015 novel that outlines how the feared “anti-human” scheme could unfold.

Christ on a cracker, you have actually fallen for that ****????

Ocean, do yourself a big favour and follow your own advice. Don't fall prey to those who want to deceive you. Makes you look foolish and gullible. The only thing I see here with an agenda are those who choose to deceive sheeple to further their agenda; Glen Beck, American Policy Center, Tom DeWeese et al.. Don't let them shape how you should think. I urge you to read the rest of the article and stay away from the garbage being fed into your head.

Agenda 21: a conspiracy theory puts sustainability in the crosshairs | Guardian Sustainable Business | The Guardian
 
I had to look it up because you seems sooooooooooooooo adamant that this Agenda 21 is super scary and we should all be weary of its agenda. Of course the first hit was this article published in the Guardian.
Here's the title: Agenda 21: a conspiracy theory puts sustainability in the crosshairs. Just as I suspected.

Here's one excerpt from the article:


This made me laugh:


Christ on a cracker, you have actually fallen for that ****????

Ocean, do yourself a big favour and follow your own advice. Don't fall prey to those who want to deceive you. Makes you look foolish and gullible. The only thing I see here with an agenda are those who choose to deceive sheeple to further their agenda; Glen Beck, American Policy Center, Tom DeWeese et al.. Don't let them shape how you should think. I urge you to read the rest of the article and stay away from the garbage being fed into your head.

Agenda 21: a conspiracy theory puts sustainability in the crosshairs | Guardian Sustainable Business | The Guardian

Have you ever tried to learn something from an actual source of it, or do you need someone to tell you what to think about it?

And you claim I'm gullible and foolish?

Here is a link to Agenda 21. It's from the UN. You know, the source and creator of it.


https://sustainabledevelopment.un.org/content/documents/Agenda21.pdf


Question. Given it's direct connection to the UN's agenda and objectives related to Global Warming, why is it you know nothing about it?

You want everyone to embrace the warnings and participate in the "solution", so why not know what it is you are demanding every human living on the planet to embrace?

Rather than call me gullible and foolish, why don't you do something about those challenges ripe within yourself?
 
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Have you ever tried to learn something from an actual source of it, or do you need someone to tell you what to think about it?

And you claim I'm gullible and foolish?

Here is a link to Agenda 21. It's from the UN. You know, the source and creator of it.


https://sustainabledevelopment.un.org/content/documents/Agenda21.pdf


Question. Given it's direct connection to the UN's agenda and objectives related to Global Warming, why is it you know nothing about it?

You want everyone to embrace the warnings and participate in the "solution", so why not know what it is you are demanding every human living on the planet to embrace?

Rather than call me gullible and foolish, why don't you do something about those challenges ripe within yourself?

What is wrong with that agenda???? Think it's terrible to promote positive change? Jesus christ.

Did you read the article I cited?
 
What is wrong with that agenda???? Think it's terrible to promote positive change? Jesus christ.

Did you read the article I cited?

I wouldn't touch articles like the one you cited. I don't need to be told what to think. I don't need confirmation bias to indoctrinate me. I read the real thing.

Again, doesn't it bother you that you know nothing about a plan to control the entire human race, and transfer more wealth than at any other time in human history?
 
I wouldn't touch articles like the one you cited. I don't need to be told what to think. I don't need confirmation bias to indoctrinate me. I read the real thing.

Again, doesn't it bother you that you know nothing about a plan to control the entire human race, and transfer more wealth than at any other time in human history?

Yes but you're influenced by Glenn Beck and American Policy Center. This Agenda 21 CT is well know in the right political agenda circles.
 
Yes but you're influenced by Glenn Beck and American Policy Center. This Agenda 21 CT is well know in the right political agenda circles.

How lame can you be? I don't listen to Glenn Beck. I have no idea what the American Policy Center is.

You accuse me of being influenced by things/people, which is a total lie and fabrication since you can't possibly know that, and yet you have confirmed the only thing you know about Global Warming is what you've been fed and influenced with.

That's levels of irony and comedy that are remarkable to see.
 
The climate has been changing since the day I was born. Winter, Spring, summer, fall. Why do I need a scientist to tell me that?

Well, you've certainly mastered the conservative tactic of intellectual reductionism. Sure, climate science is little more than sticking your head out the window to see if its raining. Sure.

Now, back you go, to dream of unicorns, free markets and the divine protection of the Earth. Sleep easy, little princess, it's better if you don't understand how ignorant you are.
 
Have you ever tried to learn something from an actual source of it, or do you need someone to tell you what to think about it?

And you claim I'm gullible and foolish?

Here is a link to Agenda 21. It's from the UN. You know, the source and creator of it.


https://sustainabledevelopment.un.org/content/documents/Agenda21.pdf


Question. Given it's direct connection to the UN's agenda and objectives related to Global Warming, why is it you know nothing about it?
It's a completely unsurprising document that one would expect to come out of the UN. I don't see anything ominous in it. It certainly isn't changing my opinions about HGW. Not only does it not address the science, it has policy directives that apply to a broad definition of sustainability (biodiversity, resource management, etc...) and economic development. If one was to remove the concept of HGW completely from Agenda 21, many of the same goals would still be present. So why do you focus on HGW as if it is some kind of linchpin?

Maybe you would like to stop making accusations of ignorance and, you know, discuss anything that you're specifically worried about in Agenda 21? You seem much more interested in assuming people don't care, than in discussing the issues at hand.
You want everyone to embrace the warnings and participate in the "solution", so why not know what it is you are demanding every human living on the planet to embrace?
By all means, if you have a solution that doesn't require international cooperation, let us know. And furthermore, even if I denied HGW, I would still care about global poverty, sustainability, biodiversity and resource management.

Again, doesn't it bother you that you know nothing about a plan to control the entire human race, and transfer more wealth than at any other time in human history?
So when you read about food aid and financing (loans) you read that as wealth transfer? OK. This is a non-binding UN Document. It's up to individual countries to participate voluntarily. The precise amount of international aid is not spelled out in Agenda 21 (it specifically treats any figures as order of magnitude estimates that do not reflect actual costs, since actual cost would be up to the countries in question), where are you getting your figures from?
 
Have you ever overheard some folks talking about intricate details of something you don't know anything about? Maybe it's those car guys talking about engine parts, or dungeons and dragons players arguing over the mechanics of some spell in the game setting, or video gamers talking about a game you've never played, or a historian talking about some obscure bit of Swedish culture from the 1300's? A scenario where you simply lack even a basic reference point to really participate in the conversation?

That's what your post here just demonstrated about you and climate science. I don't mean to be insulting here, it's not a sin to be uneducated about a particular topic. A wise person knows what they don't know. (I don't know squat about fixing cars! My brother and uncles get talking about it and it may as well be a conversation in Portugese)

You're confusing weather with climate, they're not the same thing. I'd also point out that the common right-wing talking point "climate has always changed" is worthless as well. Yeah, climate changed before we got here and will continue to change after we're gone. So what? The thing those people are trying to imply is that this is evidence humans aren't affecting the climate, but it doesn't support that assertion at all. Carbon dioxide doesn't care whether it came from an exhaust pipe or from a naturally-occurring forest fire. There's no magical barrier between human activity and natural activity that makes it a one-or-the-other question.

So what whilst thou do to humans who affect your climate?

That is an excellent example of the pure dishonesty of most tRump supporters.

Notice how Crystal responds. She doesn't admit that her dead-horse argument got absolutely demolished by Deuce. No, she changes the subject, pretends that Deuce has a personal responsibility to stop climate change, and tosses in cutesy outdated English to boot.
 
What is wrong with that agenda???? Think it's terrible to promote positive change? Jesus christ.

Yes. It's better to let Greenland melt, the oceans rise, and millions of people get displaced by the end of the 21st century. /s
 
How lame can you be? I don't listen to Glenn Beck. I have no idea what the American Policy Center is.

You accuse me of being influenced by things/people, which is a total lie and fabrication since you can't possibly know that, and yet you have confirmed the only thing you know about Global Warming is what you've been fed and influenced with.

That's levels of irony and comedy that are remarkable to see.


You seem to love Christohper Booker! Isn't he the Godfather of Climate Change denial? He has an agenda... so your influence is noted. Have another mouthful of fake news because I doubt you can cite me on any of your Agenda 21 conspiracy theories from a relevant, fact-based source.
 
Yes. It's better to let Greenland melt, the oceans rise, and millions of people get displaced by the end of the 21st century. /s

His point is the money it's going to cost -- but he's okay with tax cuts for the rich let alone how much Climate Change is going to cost if we do nothing (hint -- a lot more).
 
That's levels of irony and comedy that are remarkable to see.

Indeed. Dunning-Kruger for the climate change denial win!

Why put in the years of hard work to get an education when you can watch 2 minutes of youtube, and know more than tens of thousands experts! amirite?
 
It's a completely unsurprising document that one would expect to come out of the UN. I don't see anything ominous in it. It certainly isn't changing my opinions about HGW. Not only does it not address the science, it has policy directives that apply to a broad definition of sustainability (biodiversity, resource management, etc...) and economic development. If one was to remove the concept of HGW completely from Agenda 21, many of the same goals would still be present. So why do you focus on HGW as if it is some kind of linchpin?

WTF!?!?!! You're not supposed to actually read the report.

You're just supposed to read the title "Agenda 21", and be afraid. Very very afraid. Because they have an Agenda. Ooooooooooo.
 
The climate has been changing since the day I was born. Winter, Spring, summer, fall. Why do I need a scientist to tell me that?
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It's a completely unsurprising document that one would expect to come out of the UN. I don't see anything ominous in it. It certainly isn't changing my opinions about HGW. Not only does it not address the science, it has policy directives that apply to a broad definition of sustainability (biodiversity, resource management, etc...) and economic development. If one was to remove the concept of HGW completely from Agenda 21, many of the same goals would still be present. So why do you focus on HGW as if it is some kind of linchpin?

Maybe you would like to stop making accusations of ignorance and, you know, discuss anything that you're specifically worried about in Agenda 21? You seem much more interested in assuming people don't care, than in discussing the issues at hand.
By all means, if you have a solution that doesn't require international cooperation, let us know. And furthermore, even if I denied HGW, I would still care about global poverty, sustainability, biodiversity and resource management.

So when you read about food aid and financing (loans) you read that as wealth transfer? OK. This is a non-binding UN Document. It's up to individual countries to participate voluntarily. The precise amount of international aid is not spelled out in Agenda 21 (it specifically treats any figures as order of magnitude estimates that do not reflect actual costs, since actual cost would be up to the countries in question), where are you getting your figures from?

You know nothing about Agenda 21, obviously that includes the mitigation protocols, or really anything of substance about the overall global plan.

Yet if I ask some questions because I DO know something about it, I should be attacked and called a denier.

Amazing how little resistance the GW embracers put up when handing over the human race to unknown people to do with as they please.


Scary stuff.
 
Indeed. Dunning-Kruger for the climate change denial win!

Why put in the years of hard work to get an education when you can watch 2 minutes of youtube, and know more than tens of thousands experts! amirite?

LOL

I doubt you've even watched 10 seconds of youtube video, yet you roll as if you've got the Nobel.

Derp…..
 
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