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White House Tried to Stop Climate Science Testimony, Documents Show

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The Trump administration ignore the basic facts about climate change and tried to stop senior intelligence analyst from discussing climate science in congressional testimony.

WASHINGTON — The White House tried to stop a State Department senior intelligence analyst from discussing climate science in congressional testimony this week, internal emails and documents show.


The State Department’s Bureau of Intelligence and Research declined to make changes to the proposed testimony and the analyst, Rod Schoonover, an adjunct professor at Georgetown University, was ultimately allowed to speak before the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence on Wednesday.


But in a highly unusual move, the White House refused to approve Dr. Schoonover’s written testimony for entry into the permanent Congressional Record. The reasoning, according to a June 4 email seen by The New York Times, was that the science did not match the Trump administration’s views.
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White House Tried to Stop Climate Science Testimony, Documents Show - The New York Times

That Trump ignores his own federal agencies findings about the urgent need for action.

The impacts of climate change are already being felt in communities across the country. More frequent and intense extreme weather and climate-related events, as well as changes in average climate conditions, are expected to continue to damage infrastructure, ecosystems, and social systems that provide essential benefits to communities. Future climate change is expected to further disrupt many areas of life, exacerbating existing challenges to prosperity posed by aging and deteriorating infrastructure, stressed ecosystems, and economic inequality. Impacts within and across regions will not be distributed equally. People who are already vulnerable, including lower-income and other marginalized communities, have lower capacity to prepare for and cope with extreme weather and climate-related events and are expected to experience greater impacts. Prioritizing adaptation actions for the most vulnerable populations would contribute to a more equitable future within and across communities. Global action to significantly cut greenhouse gas emissions can substantially reduce climate-related risks and increase opportunities for these populations in the longer term.
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Fourth National Climate Assessment

Trump instead benefit his wealthy donors in the fossil fuel industry.

Donald Trump hopes to save America’s failing coal-fired power plants - Daily chart

Trump's rollbacks of fossil fuel regulations may carry steep costs - CBS News
 
Really, this same BS?

If anyone else is willing to do like I did and waste the time to read through this article. I hope you see just were this whole "tried to stop" narrative falls apart.
 
I'm pleased that I've not taken on the role of apologist for the present Administration. It requires using such tools as ad hominem and appeals to emotion rather than factual arguments.

Before we go our merry way,
Until we wander on,
Let's pause to praise our leader brave.
Let's hear it for the Don!

Stout heart has he; a man of steel,
He does our nation proud.
It's time we made our feelings known.
That's right! Shout 'MAGA' loud!

[Poem by A.C. Rostic]
 
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The climate has been changing since the day I was born. Winter, Spring, summer, fall. Why do I need a scientist to tell me that?
 
Bergslagstroll said:
The Trump administration ignore the basic facts about climate change and tried to stop senior intelligence analyst from discussing climate science in congressional testimony.



White House Tried to Stop Climate Science Testimony, Documents Show - The New York Times

That Trump ignores his own federal agencies findings about the urgent need for action.



Fourth National Climate Assessment

Trump instead benefit his wealthy donors in the fossil fuel industry.

Donald Trump hopes to save America’s failing coal-fired power plants - Daily chart

Trump's rollbacks of fossil fuel regulations may carry steep costs - CBS News
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Broken record....:yawn:
 
Crystal said:
The climate has been changing since the day I was born. Winter, Spring, summer, fall. Why do I need a scientist to tell me that?
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THIS is your response? Are you kidding?
 
Oborosen said:
Really, this same BS?

If anyone else is willing to do like I did and waste the time to read through this article. I hope you see just were this whole "tried to stop" narrative falls apart.
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Rational, objective thinking people, understand something doesn't smell right when the objective is to take your money and control of your life, and to refuse get's you called a bunch of names and be attacked in public.
 
The topic of this thread reminded me of a couple of definitions. I offer them for your pleasure.

Position, n. An ideological point on the political map. To take a position is to plant both feet firmly on an undefined location. The basic map coordinates are ego and the other one.

A politician, one fine day
Said, with a lofty air:
'I'm standing on my principles.
I'm sure you'll find them fair.'

And then he turned and walked away.
I checked the floor with care;
Examined where he just had stood,
But there was nothing there.

Spokesperson., n. A quick study who plates up the latest untruths of his employer for presentation upon the public table.

[A Modern Dictionary, Fragmentary Press, 2016, Chelm, IA]
 
Crystal said:
The climate has been changing since the day I was born. Winter, Spring, summer, fall. Why do I need a scientist to tell me that?
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Have you ever overheard some folks talking about intricate details of something you don't know anything about? Maybe it's those car guys talking about engine parts, or dungeons and dragons players arguing over the mechanics of some spell in the game setting, or video gamers talking about a game you've never played, or a historian talking about some obscure bit of Swedish culture from the 1300's? A scenario where you simply lack even a basic reference point to really participate in the conversation?

That's what your post here just demonstrated about you and climate science. I don't mean to be insulting here, it's not a sin to be uneducated about a particular topic. A wise person knows what they don't know. (I don't know squat about fixing cars! My brother and uncles get talking about it and it may as well be a conversation in Portugese)

You're confusing weather with climate, they're not the same thing. I'd also point out that the common right-wing talking point "climate has always changed" is worthless as well. Yeah, climate changed before we got here and will continue to change after we're gone. So what? The thing those people are trying to imply is that this is evidence humans aren't affecting the climate, but it doesn't support that assertion at all. Carbon dioxide doesn't care whether it came from an exhaust pipe or from a naturally-occurring forest fire. There's no magical barrier between human activity and natural activity that makes it a one-or-the-other question.
 
Deuce said:
Have you ever overheard some folks talking about intricate details of something you don't know anything about? Maybe it's those car guys talking about engine parts, or dungeons and dragons players arguing over the mechanics of some spell in the game setting, or video gamers talking about a game you've never played, or a historian talking about some obscure bit of Swedish culture from the 1300's? A scenario where you simply lack even a basic reference point to really participate in the conversation?

That's what your post here just demonstrated about you and climate science. I don't mean to be insulting here, it's not a sin to be uneducated about a particular topic. A wise person knows what they don't know. (I don't know squat about fixing cars! My brother and uncles get talking about it and it may as well be a conversation in Portugese)

You're confusing weather with climate, they're not the same thing. I'd also point out that the common right-wing talking point "climate has always changed" is worthless as well. Yeah, climate changed before we got here and will continue to change after we're gone. So what? The thing those people are trying to imply is that this is evidence humans aren't affecting the climate, but it doesn't support that assertion at all. Carbon dioxide doesn't care whether it came from an exhaust pipe or from a naturally-occurring forest fire. There's no magical barrier between human activity and natural activity that makes it a one-or-the-other question.
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So what whilst thou do to humans who affect your climate?
 
ocean515 said:
Rational, objective thinking people, understand something doesn't smell right when the objective is to take your money and control of your life, and to refuse get's you called a bunch of names and be attacked in public.
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Your post is a sad example that fossil fuel companies and right wing politcians have been able to turn climate change into a partisan issue. That the energy market have never been a free market. For example the enormous amount of tax money have gone to wage wars and support brutal dictatorships in the Middle East to protect the flow of cheap oil.

Fossil fuel companies also use the power of the government to take over private land for coal mines and oil/gas pipelines.

German Court to Rule on Property Rights in Brown Coal Mining Dispute - SPIEGEL ONLINE

Subsidies to fossil fuels have also for a long time been bigger than subsidies to renewables.

Energy snapshots: Estimates for global fossil-fuel consumption subsidies

Fossil fuel companies also doesn’t pay the social and environmental cost of their products.

Global Fossil Fuel Subsidies Remain Large: An Update Based on Country-Level Estimates

The evidece of manmade global warming is also so overwhelming that even the fossil fuel companies have to acknowledge the need to drastiicly reduce C02 emissions.

Access Denied

Statements on Paris climate agreement | ExxonMobil
 
Bergslagstroll said:
Your post is a sad example that fossil fuel companies and right wing politcians have been able to turn climate change into a partisan issue. That the energy market have never been a free market. For example the enormous amount of tax money have gone to wage wars and support brutal dictatorships in the Middle East to protect the flow of cheap oil.

Fossil fuel companies also use the power of the government to take over private land for coal mines and oil/gas pipelines.

German Court to Rule on Property Rights in Brown Coal Mining Dispute - SPIEGEL ONLINE

Subsidies to fossil fuels have also for a long time been bigger than subsidies to renewables.

Energy snapshots: Estimates for global fossil-fuel consumption subsidies

Fossil fuel companies also doesn’t pay the social and environmental cost of their products.

Global Fossil Fuel Subsidies Remain Large: An Update Based on Country-Level Estimates

The evidece of manmade global warming is also so overwhelming that even the fossil fuel companies have to acknowledge the need to drastiicly reduce C02 emissions.

Access Denied

Statements on Paris climate agreement | ExxonMobil
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You're post is proof of what I was referencing in my comments.

Do you know who Maurice Strong is? Do you know of his relationship with the UN and Global Warming?

Have you reviewed the objective of the UN IPCC regarding mitigation?
 
Crystal said:
So what whilst thou do to humans who affect your climate?
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You have example from all over the world that a tranistion away from fossil fuel are possible. For example Denmark that got 40 percent of their electricity from wind power and in total 68 percent of their electricity from renewables in 2018.

As Wind Turned Down A Notch, Solar Soared -- 2018 Renewable Energy Report Denmark | CleanTechnica

While in Norway and 1 out of 3 cars sold in the market was a zero-emission vehicle last year and 49 percent of the market including plug in hybrids.

Electric car sales grew by 40% in Norway this year - Electrek

Having communities, governments, corporations and individuals leading the way in the transition away from fossil fuels have also drastically reduced the cost of renewable energy. So that even local Republican politicians are seeing the benefits of renewable energy.

Why Republican Leaders Love Renewable Energy
 
Bergslagstroll said:
You have example from all over the world that a tranistion away from fossil fuel are possible. For example Denmark that got 40 percent of their electricity from wind power and in total 68 percent of their electricity from renewables in 2018.

As Wind Turned Down A Notch, Solar Soared -- 2018 Renewable Energy Report Denmark | CleanTechnica

While in Norway and 1 out of 3 cars sold in the market was a zero-emission vehicle last year and 49 percent of the market including plug in hybrids.

Electric car sales grew by 40% in Norway this year - Electrek

Having communities, governments, corporations and individuals leading the way in the transition away from fossil fuels have also drastically reduced the cost of renewable energy. So that even local Republican politicians are seeing the benefits of renewable energy.

Why Republican Leaders Love Renewable Energy
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Wind turbines destroy birds. You must enclose them in wire cages or something.
 
Bergslagstroll said:
You have example from all over the world that a tranistion away from fossil fuel are possible. For example Denmark that got 40 percent of their electricity from wind power and in total 68 percent of their electricity from renewables in 2018.

As Wind Turned Down A Notch, Solar Soared -- 2018 Renewable Energy Report Denmark | CleanTechnica

While in Norway and 1 out of 3 cars sold in the market was a zero-emission vehicle last year and 49 percent of the market including plug in hybrids.

Electric car sales grew by 40% in Norway this year - Electrek

Having communities, governments, corporations and individuals leading the way in the transition away from fossil fuels have also drastically reduced the cost of renewable energy. So that even local Republican politicians are seeing the benefits of renewable energy.

Why Republican Leaders Love Renewable Energy
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Do wind turbines produce enough electricity to charge automobile batteries? What happens to those big batteries when they have used up their lives? Where do they go?
 
Obscurity said:
THIS is your response? Are you kidding?
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Well, it’s true! Which one would you like to be stuck in if we stop them from changing?
 
Crystal said:
So what whilst thou do to humans who affect your climate?
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You hit the nail on the head. Yes, human and animal activity (along with many other things) does effect the climate and makes it change. Since human populations have grown ever since humans have existed on the planet, the planet does get more and more polluted every day. Humans need places to live, to eat, to work, and be able to travel, not to mention we need to eliminate our own human waste. Even traveling by horse pollutes the planet so horses must go. Cars must go. Boats must go. Planes must go. Homes must go. Workplaces must go. Fire not only takes away trees but also pollutes the atmosphere so fire also has to go.

So, there is only one real solution to the problem. We need to eliminate humans. I mean nothing too drastic, we just need to cull 10% of the population of every country about every ten years. If that doesn't do the trick we can up the percentage to fifteen or twenty percent or more - whatever it takes to get the climate back under control. Humans are the bottom line and roots of the problem. Get rid of them and you get rid of the climate change problem. As long as the world's population increases, climate change will continue to get worse. Why does the left refuse to address the real root causes of climate change (humans themselves)?
 
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Deuce said:
Have you ever overheard some folks talking about intricate details of something you don't know anything about? Maybe it's those car guys talking about engine parts, or dungeons and dragons players arguing over the mechanics of some spell in the game setting, or video gamers talking about a game you've never played, or a historian talking about some obscure bit of Swedish culture from the 1300's? A scenario where you simply lack even a basic reference point to really participate in the conversation?

That's what your post here just demonstrated about you and climate science. I don't mean to be insulting here, it's not a sin to be uneducated about a particular topic. A wise person knows what they don't know. (I don't know squat about fixing cars! My brother and uncles get talking about it and it may as well be a conversation in Portugese)

You're confusing weather with climate, they're not the same thing. I'd also point out that the common right-wing talking point "climate has always changed" is worthless as well. Yeah, climate changed before we got here and will continue to change after we're gone. So what? The thing those people are trying to imply is that this is evidence humans aren't affecting the climate, but it doesn't support that assertion at all. Carbon dioxide doesn't care whether it came from an exhaust pipe or from a naturally-occurring forest fire. There's no magical barrier between human activity and natural activity that makes it a one-or-the-other question.
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The massive disinformation and lobbying from the fossil fuel companies is a big reason for climate denialism and that you have politcians like Donald Trump that still ignore the warnings from the climate scientists.

Tobacco and Oil Industries Used Same Researchers to Sway Public - Scientific American

Doubt over climate science is a product with an industry behind it | Graham Readfearn | Environment | The Guardian

Oil And Gas Giants Spend Millions Lobbying To Block Climate Change Policies [Infographic]

Gas companies spend €104m lobbying to ensure Europe remains 'locked in' to fossil fuels for decades, report finds | The Independent

There we therefor sadly now are running out of time because of the massive disinformation campaigns. That the deniers and delayers are now getting what they fear more goverment intervention, that the tranistion away from fossil fuels could have been a lot less costly and with a lot less goverment intervention if the warnings from climate scientists had been listen to the 90's. While if the transition is delayed even further much more cosly and radical action will be needed in the future to rapidly reduce C02 emissions and deal with the devasting effects of climate change.
 
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Moderate Right said:
You hit the nail on the head. Yes, human and animal activity (along with many other things) does effect the climate and makes it change. Since human populations have grown ever since humans have existed on the planet, the planet does get more and more polluted every day. Humans need places to live, to eat, to work, and be able to travel, not to mention we need to eliminate our own human waste. Even traveling by horse pollutes the planet so horses must go. Cars must go. Boats must go. Planes must go. Homes must go. Workplaces must go. So, there is only one real solution to the problem. We need to eliminate humans. I mean nothing too drastic, we just need to cull 10% of the population of every country about every ten years. If that doesn't do the trick we can up the percentage to fifteen or twenty percent or more - whatever it takes to get the climate back under control.
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Will you get back to me when the climate change advocates like gore start walking and stop flying. When he puts a wind turbine in his yard and cuts off the electric? When he eats spinach in lieu of steak?
 
Crystal said:
The climate has been changing since the day I was born. Winter, Spring, summer, fall. Why do I need a scientist to tell me that?
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You're 100% right. At least about the climate changing. What you fail to see is why it's different now. Your line of thinking is dying and sooner or later, you'll see the light.

Not sure what you're getting at by reciting the seasons. What do seasons have to do with climate change?
 
ocean515 said:
Rational, objective thinking people, understand something doesn't smell right when the objective is to take your money and control of your life, and to refuse get's you called a bunch of names and be attacked in public.
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Need some Kleenex for those tears? stop feeling so persecuted. Climate change is real and sooner or later you're going to have to jump on it.
 
Crystal said:
The climate has been changing since the day I was born. Winter, Spring, summer, fall. Why do I need a scientist to tell me that?
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Wow another contender for post of the month, Crystal certainly needs no scientist!
 
Middleground said:
You're 100% right. At least about the climate changing. What you fail to see is why it's different now. Your line of thinking is dying and sooner or later, you'll see the light.

Not sure what you're getting at by reciting the seasons. What do seasons have to do with climate change?
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My climate changes, it goes from freezing cold, to mild enjoyable, to hot hot hot, to mild enjoyable, then it starts over again. You better get busy and stop cow farts. You only have 12 years.
 
TrueScotsman said:
Wow another contender for post of the month, Crystal certainly needs no scientist!
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What are you doing about your climate changing? You walk and ride a bike? Have a windmill? Eat salad?
 
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