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[W:134,270] London bus attack: Arrests after gay couple who refused to kiss beaten

HumblePi said:
Every words you just said, every historic reference has zero significance to this story. Nada
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"the world is going to hell'. history and perspective matters. This is the safest, most tolerant time period in history.
 
Grand Mal said:
And then there were those hundreds of years when Spain was a Muslim country. You remember, sure, when Gibraltar was Jabal al Tariq, Tariq's mountain, and the best and brightest in Europe during the Dark Ages were the Muslims keeping the light shining in the darkness? When the Alhambra was built on Roman ruins by Muslim architects?
Remind me of when Morocco was a Spanish province. Which years, I mean. Was it after Ferdinand and Isabela and Columbus? Must have been.
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Spain had portions of Morocco up until 1956.
 
HumblePi said:
Just a reminder, that happened in Britain, you knew that right? I assume you're a straight man and in being so you are highly unqualified to judge whether people in the LGBTQ communities feel safe or not. You just have no clue at all.
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1. The teens that would do this kind of thing are just this side of feral. This is why we need to beat kids.

2. As regards incidence and widespread acceptance of the acceptability of attacks against homosexuals, however, Feelings < Facts.

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HumblePi said:
It is populism, of course. As populism grows, so does bigotry against the LGBT community. LGBT+ discrimination still exists the world over – this can be insidious, quotidian prejudice or extreme hatred. As right-wing populism spreads around the world, there is a noticeable rise in bigotry. The LGBT+ community is feeling besieged once again. I don't know if you're aware of this or not - probably not - but in parts of the world gays are murdered, even in Russia, it's common from gays to be thrown off the roofs of tall buildings. It's not funny, it's not a joke, it's not hyperbole, it's real.

It's also no coincidence that Theresa May was a great supporter of the LGBT community. She's gone and the new PM possibly won't be so supportive. We'll see.
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I also don't understand this logic.


As if any bigot, ever, about to commit violence against another, has ever stopped and thought "Wait a minute. If I do this, the PM probably won't like it. Maybe I'd better go do something else instead."

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CanadaJohn said:
For me, as a member of the baby boomer generation, I blame my generation for the degeneration of civility and decency in the younger generation today. Too many of those my age have allowed their children and their grandchildren to become self important spoiled brats who suffer no consequences for despicable behavior in school and in society in general. My parents, when I was growing up, wound have beaten me to within an inch of my life if I did half of what I read about and see young people do today. They instilled in me a great respect for the importance of others' lives and civilized treatment of not only those I know but of complete strangers as well.

I cannot fathom how anyone, under any circumstances, could treat two fellow humans in such a manner. And to so brazenly do it in a public setting tells you all you need to know about how out of control and disrespectful of society such reprobates have become. And they're far from alone and England is no different from any other country in the west, including my own here in Canada.

My generation has spoiled rotten our children and they in turn have spoiled their own children. It's a disgrace.
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:(. Civilization is hard to build, and civility takes generations to normalize...


... And only one to destroy.

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They need to make examples out of these punks. I hope they throw the book at them.
 
CanadaJohn said:
For me, as a member of the baby boomer generation, I blame my generation for the degeneration of civility and decency in the younger generation today. Too many of those my age have allowed their children and their grandchildren to become self important spoiled brats who suffer no consequences for despicable behavior in school and in society in general. My parents, when I was growing up, wound have beaten me to within an inch of my life if I did half of what I read about and see young people do today. They instilled in me a great respect for the importance of others' lives and civilized treatment of not only those I know but of complete strangers as well.

I cannot fathom how anyone, under any circumstances, could treat two fellow humans in such a manner. And to so brazenly do it in a public setting tells you all you need to know about how out of control and disrespectful of society such reprobates have become. And they're far from alone and England is no different from any other country in the west, including my own here in Canada.

My generation has spoiled rotten our children and they in turn have spoiled their own children. It's a disgrace.
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Agree 100% I'm a baby boomer also and I would have been more worried about what my dad would do to me than what the police would do. Kids these day are too coddled for the most part. It leads to a narcissistic over inflated view of one's self.
 
Five obnoxious teenage punks were arrested and are now out on bail. Let's hope the little bastards think twice about acting like bastards.
 
ecofarm said:
"Good ole days" are for old losers, bigots and other scumbags. Child abusers, stuff like that.
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That is an interesting take. Most of the time I think of the good ole days it is for nostalgic reasons, not for any of that utter bull****.
 
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Parents started to gather at the gates over concerns children were "too young" to learn about LGBT relationships. They also said the lessons contradicted Islam.
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Birmingham LGBT row: 'Homophobic protests must stop' - BBC News

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Waddy said:
"the world is going to hell'. history and perspective matters. This is the safest, most tolerant time period in history.
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How do you figure this is the "safest, most tolerant time period in history"? Just because you don't see rockets flying overhead from aggressive dictators with armies marching through Mexico or Canada into the US doesn't mean we're safer by any means. Trump, Netanyahu and Mohammed bin Salman are all on a quest to annihilate Iran altogether. There's N. Korea still working on the development of a missile that can deliver a nuclear bomb to the West Coast of the US. Our allies in Europe are no longer confident that the US is really their ally and it's really doubtful they would stand aside us if we needed their support. The whole country is divided in half between those that support this despotic president who routinely violates the US Constitution and those who know what a danger he is and want him locked up. The US elections are more vulnerable than ever to threats from China, Russia and other bad world players to hack and change our elections, to sabotage our electrical grids and to disrupt life for everyone in the country. Because of Trump's tariffs, we're on the brink of a recession. The US has imprisoned thousands of little kids who will never see their families ever again. They're being treated like animals in big cages and some are being sexually assaulted and even raped. Jews and Muslims are targets for terrorists as are school children.

Gay and lesbian rights plus the rights of women are being systematically taken away. How can you possibly say this country is the safest and more tolerant time than any time in history? Give me some statistics that prove what you're saying. Right now the greatest risk to this country are our own citizens. There have been more than 1,300 mass shootings on U.S. soil since 2014, including repeated and horrific massacres at public schools, and more than 56,000 Americans were killed with guns between 2014 and 2017. That is more lives than the United States lost in Vietnam, a war that lasted more than decade.

Our infrastructure is decrepit and in danger of collapsing piece by piece. Centuries old sewers are collapsing under city streets, dams built 80 years ago are in jeopardy of collapsing, Levies are eroding and unable to adequately protect whole cities from flooding. Wells and public drinking sources are being contaminated by lead and coal ash. Even our nuclear power plants are old and eroding creating even more dangers. I just don't see how you can say we're safer or more tolerant, not in the least.
 
cpwill said:
I also don't understand this logic.


As if any bigot, ever, about to commit violence against another, has ever stopped and thought "Wait a minute. If I do this, the PM probably won't like it. Maybe I'd better go do something else instead."

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Populism. Google it.
 
HumblePi said:
It is populism, of course. As populism grows, so does bigotry against the LGBT community. LGBT+ discrimination still exists the world over – this can be insidious, quotidian prejudice or extreme hatred. As right-wing populism spreads around the world, there is a noticeable rise in bigotry. The LGBT+ community is feeling besieged once again. I don't know if you're aware of this or not - probably not - but in parts of the world gays are murdered, even in Russia, it's common from gays to be thrown off the roofs of tall buildings. It's not funny, it's not a joke, it's not hyperbole, it's real.

It's also no coincidence that Theresa May was a great supporter of the LGBT community. She's gone and the new PM possibly won't be so supportive. We'll see.
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do you consider growing Muslim population in England part of the growing POPULISM movement?
 
Did any facts come about or are we still guessing?
 
Trump said:
do you consider growing Muslim population in England part of the growing POPULISM movement?
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Fear of, and opposition to Islam or Muslims provides a connective thread uniting otherwise conflicting political parties. In Europe, nearly every major right-wing populist party emphasizes cultural and religious objections to Muslim immigration. The bigger issue is that the immigrants in question are Muslim, not that they are immigrants. Importantly, anti-Muslim sentiment also affects Muslims who are already citizens. The ongoing debate then is less about immigration and more about integration.
 
HumblePi said:
Fear of, and opposition to Islam or Muslims provides a connective thread uniting otherwise conflicting political parties. In Europe, nearly every major right-wing populist party emphasizes cultural and religious objections to Muslim immigration. The bigger issue is that the immigrants in question are Muslim, not that they are immigrants. Importantly, anti-Muslim sentiment also affects Muslims who are already citizens. The ongoing debate then is less about immigration and more about integration.
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I never mentioned immigration. The populism I refer to is from growing Muslim population within England.

The protests spread to Anderton Park from Parkfield Community School in Alum Rock, where parents raised a petition in January claiming some of the teaching contradicted Islam.
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Birmingham LGBT row: Protesters banned from school - BBC News
 
apdst said:
They are when it comes to the question of how to defend one's self.
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Are you sure a bus is the best place for a shoot out?
 
3leftsdoo said:
More reports does not necessarily = More attacks
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In fact the article which he cites as **P*R*O*O*F** that there have been more attacks says exactly that.

Isn't it fun watching people who never read past the headlines get in trouble because their own "evidence" disproves their position?
 
SLC said:
Agree 100% I'm a baby boomer also and I would have been more worried about what my dad would do to me than what the police would do. Kids these day are too coddled for the most part. It leads to a narcissistic over inflated view of one's self.
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Which, of course, leads to being elected President of the United States of America.
 
Trump said:
I never mentioned immigration. The populism I refer to is from growing Muslim population within England.



Birmingham LGBT row: Protesters banned from school - BBC News
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As I've already said, but will repeat, immigration of Muslims isn't where the problem lies. I realize there's a growing Muslim population in GB. My comment was pertinent specifically to your question. Populism isn't coming from the Muslim population, that's for sure. Populism is on the rise specifically because of the increasing Muslim population. Refugee flows and fear of Islam is what's driving right-wing support.

The US has one of the smallest Muslim populations among the major Western democracies, but anti-Islam sentiment, since Trump became president, has become a routine point of contention in politics. Few things in the US can present partisan party affiations more than attitudes toward Muslims and Islam. This simply was never the case, but it is now. In the minds of today’s European populist right, Muslims, regardless of their country of origin or date of immigration, share more in common with each another than with non-Muslim Europeans and thus are viewed as both a challenge and a threat to narrowly defined “values.” Populists see Islam’s doctrines as a threat to their values and civilization.

Once again, the rise in populist movements isn't because of the immigration of Muslims, it's the disinterest or objections on how to fully integrate a Muslim population into an already defined and established society.
 
HumblePi said:
As I've already said, but will repeat, immigration of Muslims isn't where the problem lies. I realize there's a growing Muslim population in GB. My comment was pertinent specifically to your question. Populism isn't coming from the Muslim population, that's for sure. Populism is on the rise specifically because of the increasing Muslim population. Refugee flows and fear of Islam is what's driving right-wing support.

The US has one of the smallest Muslim populations among the major Western democracies, but anti-Islam sentiment, since Trump became president, has become a routine point of contention in politics. Few things in the US can present partisan party affiations more than attitudes toward Muslims and Islam. This simply was never the case, but it is now. In the minds of today’s European populist right, Muslims, regardless of their country of origin or date of immigration, share more in common with each another than with non-Muslim Europeans and thus are viewed as both a challenge and a threat to narrowly defined “values.” Populists see Islam’s doctrines as a threat to their values and civilization.

Once again, the rise in populist movements isn't because of the immigration of Muslims, it's the disinterest or objections on how to fully integrate a Muslim population into an already defined and established society.
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So 9/11 had nothing to do with anti-Muslim sentiment, more specifically in the US? And you do realize that anti-Muslim sentiment existed long before even Obama was sworn into office for his first term?
 
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