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Trump admin to cease use of fetal tissue in government research

It's a sad day for humanity when one man has the power to curtail fetal tissue medical research. I'm in the medical field, having been a registered nurse since I was a very young woman. In my studies, I learned many things, one being the importance of fetal tissue research. It's not a new thing, fetal tissue has been used for research dating back to the 1930's.

If people would only realize that human postmortem tissue has helped develop numerous vaccines that have saved millions of lives. The development of vaccines against polio, rubella, measles, chickenpox, adenovirus, and rabies all involved fetal tissue, as did the discovery of treatments for rheumatoid arthritis, cystic fibrosis, and hemophilia.

The Trump administration said it would continue to fund research into alternatives to fetal tissue from elective abortions. There cannot be any alternative to actual human tissue and the $20 million that will be given to the NIH of health to try and find an alternative is money that would be better spent repairing a few roads or bridges. Whether scientists are funded $20 million or $20 billion, they will never find an alternative to what they've been using for the past 80 years. The Trump administration also announced it was canceling a contract with a University of California, San Francisco lab that was testing new HIV therapies with fetal tissue. I have vivid memories of the 1980's when scores of men were dying of HIV and thanks to new treatments developed from human tissue research, HIV is now just another long-term illness, not a death sentence.

People .... listen to me, fetal tissue research has saved many millions of lives. Think of this research as a vehicle by which God has given science a way to cure more diseases, alleviate human suffering and extend life for millions of people all over the world. Fetal tissues is nothing other than exactly that, human cellular tissue.
 
marke said:
Leftists have become demonic in their support of the murder of unborn babies. They now support murdering babies after they are born alive if doctors can come up with an excuse for supposedly justifying the infanticide. That is sick.
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I refute the assertion that demons exist, and thus, refute and dismiss your notion of demonic changes in "leftists" as nothing but worthless hot air.

There is no infanticide. I refute this barbaric lie, and dismiss it as the utter drivel it is.
 
Captain Adverse said:
I can say I am not on board with this, as I am Pro-Choice and I also recognize that fetal tissue has characteristics that help with the research into longevity, improving healthcare, and other human developmental studies.

I can and will advocate for a return to old policy and against this action. However, it won't affect my position on those areas I do continue to support the Administration on.
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lol....that sounded painful, bud. It's ok to say it sucks, no need for the disclaimer at the end....we know. ;)
 
HumblePi said:
It's a sad day for humanity when one man has the power to curtail fetal tissue medical research. I'm in the medical field, having been a registered nurse since I was a very young woman. In my studies, I learned many things, one being the importance of fetal tissue research. It's not a new thing, fetal tissue has been used for research dating back to the 1930's.

If people would only realize that human postmortem tissue has helped develop numerous vaccines that have saved millions of lives. The development of vaccines against polio, rubella, measles, chickenpox, adenovirus, and rabies all involved fetal tissue, as did the discovery of treatments for rheumatoid arthritis, cystic fibrosis, and hemophilia.

The Trump administration said it would continue to fund research into alternatives to fetal tissue from elective abortions. There cannot be any alternative to actual human tissue and the $20 million that will be given to the NIH of health to try and find an alternative is money that would be better spent repairing a few roads or bridges. Whether scientists are funded $20 million or $20 billion, they will never find an alternative to what they've been using for the past 80 years. The Trump administration also announced it was canceling a contract with a University of California, San Francisco lab that was testing new HIV therapies with fetal tissue. I have vivid memories of the 1980's when scores of men were dying of HIV and thanks to new treatments developed from human tissue research, HIV is now just another long-term illness, not a death sentence.

People .... listen to me, fetal tissue research has saved many millions of lives. Think of this research as a vehicle by which God has given science a way to cure more diseases, alleviate human suffering and extend life for millions of people all over the world. Fetal tissues is nothing other than exactly that, human cellular tissue.
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The people who support this trash heap nonsense, the likes of which go to PragerU and the other sordid dens of right wing vapid inanity, will not listen to you. They are authoritarian demagogues who care not one iota for the life of anyone, let alone the baby.

They will just as quickly kill a "mother" for aborting, as send her son to die in a war over religion.

They are a conglomerate of lies.
 
marke said:
Leftists have become demonic in their support of the murder of unborn babies. They now support murdering babies after they are born alive if doctors can come up with an excuse for supposedly justifying the infanticide. That is sick.
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You are wrong, but we're in the post-truth era, so we have that.
 
EMNofSeattle said:
And Catholics, and Orthodox Jews, and anyone who takes morality seriously. Being a leftist I know the idea of principled morality is an alien concept but some people actually believe in inalieble rights and human life
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unless they are the womans then they dont matter to you LOL
also morals are subjective has you just factually proved
 
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Sgt Meowenstein said:
This administration is so damn phony. I don’t believe for a second that Trump is against abortion. I guess he thinks he can win re-election by appealing solely to his base and pro-lifers.

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[/B][/FONT][FONT="]The Trump administration on Wednesday announced it is suspending the use of [URL="http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-administration-weighs-restrictions-fetal-tissue-government-backed/story?id=59782233"]fetal tissue in research[/URL] conducted by government scientists and said it is ending a contract with a California university over its use of the materials.[/FONT]
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"Promoting the dignity of human life from conception to natural death is one of the very top priorities of President Trump’s administration," said the announcement from the [URL="http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-administration-scales-back-education-recreation-migrant-kids/story?id=63506262"]Department of Health and Human Service[/URL]According to the Congressional Research Service, the use of fetal tissue for research in the United States dates back to the 1930s and has been used by the National Institutes of Health since the 1950s. Among a variety of medical research uses, fetal tissue is obtained through elective abortions and has been used to help develop vaccines against diseases like measles and polio, the CRS said.[/FONT]
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The announcement was applauded by anti-abortion advocates, including Susan B. Anthony’s List President Marjorie Dannenfelser, who called it a “major pro-life victory.”[/FONT][/COLOR]
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Shock factor? 0
Stupidity, waste of time and or counterproductive to healthcare and science: 10
 
OlNate said:
lol....that sounded painful, bud. It's ok to say it sucks, no need for the disclaimer at the end....we know. ;)
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Unfortunately, these days I feel I have to "add the disclaimer."

In the past when I spoke up about specific issues I did not agree with, the response was not a discussion of that issue. Nope, it was "Not good enough, is that the only thing you don't agree with? How can you keep supporting that 'orange man bad' for any reason!" I still prefer most of his attempts to deal with issues of concern over any of the current alternatives being offered.
 
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Captain Adverse said:
I can say I am not on board with this, as I am Pro-Choice and I also recognize that fetal tissue has characteristics that help with the research into longevity, improving healthcare, and other human developmental studies.

I can and will advocate for a return to old policy and against this action. However, it won't affect my position on those areas I do continue to support the Administration on.
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You support the use of animals to get medicine ahead too?
 
Captain Adverse said:
Unfortunately, these days I feel I have to "add the disclaimer."

In the past when I spoke up about specific issues I did not agree with, the response was not a discussion of that issue. Nope, it was "Not good enough, is that the only thing you don't agree with? How can you keep supporting that 'orange man bad' for any reason!" I still prefer most of his attempts to deal with issues of concern over any of the current alternatives being offered.
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Just having a chuckle, bud. Glad to see you've come to your senses on at least one thing... There's hope yet! ;)

(Seriously, though, how can you keep supporting that "orange man bad" for any reason?)

:lol:
 
EMNofSeattle said:
And Catholics, and Orthodox Jews, and anyone who takes morality seriously. Being a leftist I know the idea of principled morality is an alien concept but some people actually believe in inalieble rights and human life
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And some of us believe in an immortal soul that isn't part of your pass/fail, heaven/hell grinder.

That we come here to be here. To experience everything that can be here. Do overs as many times as necessary. Lives that are just fun. Lives that end in abortion. Both the murderer and the murdered.

Over and over until we figure it all out.

Which has exactly as much proof as your version.

I can posit from my perspective that your desiemred outcome is part of this process.

As well as considering the suffering it causes. All those children raised by people that didn't want them and don't take proper care of them. Abusing. Neglecting. Killing. All the suffering caused by those abused neglected kids when they become adults. All the problem's associated with there being g far more people here than the earth can support.
 
YouveBeenTrumpd said:
Good. Its Barbaric, and its the fruit of evil. Thank God for President Trump.

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The least godly person ever.

You actually believe that if eating granny livers kept his little dick hard and melanias tits firm and high that trump wouldn't be first in line.
 
American said:
Yes, yes, there are millions of babies left to be killed, amirite?
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Fetuses aren’t babies. And people don’t just go around having abortions willy nilly. These rape, there’s incest, there’s the health of the mother. I subscribe to the view that abortion should be safe, legal and rare. You’re just “abortion bad! Lalala I can’t hear you!”, which isn’t realistic.
 
Sgt Meowenstein said:
This administration is so damn phony. I don’t believe for a second that Trump is against abortion. I guess he thinks he can win re-election by appealing solely to his base and pro-lifers.

[FONT="][B][URL="https://www.google.com/amp/s/abcnews.go.com/amp/Politics/trump-admin-cease-fetal-tissue-government-research/story%3fid=63508877"]Trump admin to cease use of fetal tissue in government research[/URL]

[/B][/FONT][FONT="]The Trump administration on Wednesday announced it is suspending the use of [URL="http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-administration-weighs-restrictions-fetal-tissue-government-backed/story?id=59782233"]fetal tissue in research[/URL] conducted by government scientists and said it is ending a contract with a California university over its use of the materials.[/FONT]
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"Promoting the dignity of human life from conception to natural death is one of the very top priorities of President Trump’s administration," said the announcement from the [URL="http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-administration-scales-back-education-recreation-migrant-kids/story?id=63506262"]Department of Health and Human Service[/URL]According to the Congressional Research Service, the use of fetal tissue for research in the United States dates back to the 1930s and has been used by the National Institutes of Health since the 1950s. Among a variety of medical research uses, fetal tissue is obtained through elective abortions and has been used to help develop vaccines against diseases like measles and polio, the CRS said.[/FONT]
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The announcement was applauded by anti-abortion advocates, including Susan B. Anthony’s List President Marjorie Dannenfelser, who called it a “major pro-life victory.”[/FONT][/COLOR]
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Yet another area where other countries will soon pull ahead of the USA.

If the USA keeps up this anti-intellectualism, it will be a third world country in no time. It might already be heading there, I doubt you can fix this kind of stupid in one generation.
 
EMNofSeattle said:
And Catholics, and Orthodox Jews, and anyone who takes morality seriously. Being a leftist I know the idea of principled morality is an alien concept but some people actually believe in inalieble rights and human life
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Atheists are more principled imo.

Christians do whatever they want, finding justification for virtually any act, no matter how grotesque, in the bible. Then they apologize to their imaginary friend, he forgives them, and all is well.

If I do something wrong, to make it right I have to apologize to the person I wronged. Try it some time.

If you have any doubts, just look at your slimeball Christian POTUS. Hard to get more disgusting than him, yet not only is he Christian, but his most avid followers are Fundamental and Evangelical Christians. That says it all.
 
Oborosen said:
I just want to point out, that by his own admittance. He's called himself a scumbag...

There is an irony there.
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Whoa. That was a viscous ankle nip.
 
Sgt Meowenstein said:
Fetuses aren’t babies. And people don’t just go around having abortions willy nilly. These rape, there’s incest, there’s the health of the mother. I subscribe to the view that abortion should be safe, legal and rare. You’re just “abortion bad! Lalala I can’t hear you!”, which isn’t realistic.
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50,000,000 since 1973, so 1,000,000+/year.
 
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