Trump row with Democrats takes harsh turn with impeachment at stake

j-mac said:

It is clear that Democrats have only one thing on their agenda. Impeach Trump...Not get anything done for the American people, not immigration, not infrastructure, not addressing any of the threats facing the country, not trade, nope....NOTHING but get rid of Trump...Is this really what America needs at this moment?

Democrats, Liberals, and Progressives are betting that the hatred of the President will fuel them in their electoral hopes with the promise of free this, free that, and don't you just hate Trump.....I think they are making a huge mistake...

All of this hate is boring...So, in this let's try and make this about what if anything other than 'get Trump' and insult anyone on this board that doesn't want to 'get Trump' shall we?

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It's weird you get all your news from right wing sources, don't know anything about the bills that Democrats did pass and that of course are DOA in the Senate - no debate, no votes, no amendments, not nothing - repeat dishonest talking points about how the Democrats haven't passed anything and have nothing on the agenda, and that's the thread starter.

How do you expect to have an honest conversation when your thread starts off with lies?

Democrats in Congress are passing lots of bills. Republicans are ignoring them. - Vox

digsbe said:

The only thing it seems to be motivating the DNC is seething hatred and partisan blindness. The American people be damned, party > people.

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Can you name a single bill passed by the Democrats since taking over in 2019? I know you can look it up, but my guess is you can't name any, and if not then how can you know what's motivating them when you have no idea what they are doing, bills they are writing and actually passing, in the House?

j-mac said:

It is clear that Democrats have only one thing on their agenda. Impeach Trump...Not get anything done for the American people, not immigration, not infrastructure, not addressing any of the threats facing the country, not trade, nope....NOTHING but get rid of Trump...Is this really what America needs at this moment?

Democrats, Liberals, and Progressives are betting that the hatred of the President will fuel them in their electoral hopes with the promise of free this, free that, and don't you just hate Trump.....I think they are making a huge mistake...

All of this hate is boring...So, in this let's try and make this about what if anything other than 'get Trump' and insult anyone on this board that doesn't want to 'get Trump' shall we?

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To answer your question, NO, this isn't what America needs.
I am with you, they are making a huge mistake and they'll find this out on election day, 2020.
Hate and giving the public the illusion of a cover-up is all they have left because let's face it, the Mueller report didn't deliver for them. They won't impeach him because they have nothing to impeach him for.
The only people voting to continue with the witch hunt with the goal of impeachment are partisan Democrats.

Marc Thiessen: Americans don'''t want impeachment, but Democrats aren'''t listening | Fox News

The American people are sending a pretty clear message to Washington: They are sick and tired of the investigations into President Trump and don't want Democrats in Congress to impeach him. But the Democrats aren't listening.

A Harvard-Harris poll finds that 65 percent of Americans say Congress should not begin impeachment proceedings against Trump. Sixty percent agree with Attorney General William Barr that "the facts and public actions of President Trump did not amount to obstruction of justice, especially since there was no underlying collusion." And 58 percent believe that "Given the Mueller report ... we should turn the page on investigations of President Trump."

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ttwtt78640 said:

That (bolded above) tends to change once they are said to have costs (i.e. higher taxes) for those other than "the rich" or eliminate any "private option". Can you explain why the allegedly (super?) popular M4A or "free" college bill(s) (which seem to include taxing "the rich") have not passed in the House?

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I cannot explain it. I will say this. M4a is in line with personal liberty when compared to the current and previous systems. The freedom to change employment at will instead of being captive to a company for benefits, for example.

Moreover, when it comes to taxation, and increasing taxes, I believe that is due to the way poll questions are constructed. For example, recent polling around m4a asked questions regarding higher taxes but did not include the obvious, that you will not be paying copays, deductibles, premiums and prescription drug fees.

I wonder why that is?

The issue with the MSM in this country is that it is too partisan and captive to right of center neocon economic policies unlike truly objective media which you need to go to third party sources to obtain.

Obscurity said:

I cannot explain it. I will say this. M4a is in line with personal liberty when compared to the current and previous systems. The freedom to change employment at will instead of being captive to a company for benefits, for example.

Moreover, when it comes to taxation, and increasing taxes, I believe that is due to the way poll questions are constructed. For example, recent polling around m4a asked questions regarding higher taxes but did not include the obvious, that you will not be paying copays, deductibles, premiums and prescription drug fees.

I wonder why that is?

The issue with the MSM in this country is that it is too partisan and captive to right of center neocon economic policies unlike truly objective media which you need to go to third party sources to obtain.

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It is far easier to change employers than to change federal law. One appears to be largely "dependent" in either case (for outside help in paying heir medical care costs) yet which is easier to change?

j-mac said:

It is clear that Democrats have only one thing on their agenda. Impeach Trump...Not get anything done for the American people, not immigration, not infrastructure, not addressing any of the threats facing the country, not trade, nope....NOTHING but get rid of Trump...Is this really what America needs at this moment?

Democrats, Liberals, and Progressives are betting that the hatred of the President will fuel them in their electoral hopes with the promise of free this, free that, and don't you just hate Trump.....I think they are making a huge mistake...

All of this hate is boring...So, in this let's try and make this about what if anything other than 'get Trump' and insult anyone on this board that doesn't want to 'get Trump' shall we?

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/// All of this hate is boring. //// Surely you jest. Have you not watched how Trump supporters act like they just won the Super Bowl every time POTUS spews his divisive hate rhetoric at his cult rallies ?

There are currently ELEVEN investigations of the president going on.
Think of what the Dems. could get done if they stopped the witch hunts.

trixare4kids said:

There are currently ELEVEN investigations of the president going on.
Think of what the Dems. could get done if they stopped the witch hunts.

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Or if Trump didn't do this :inandout: at a scheduled cabinet meeting to discuss a two trillion dollar deal to rebuild America's infrastructure because he is having another one of his patented, petulant, childish, hissy fits.

The senate is doing their job by not allowing crappy house bills to become law, hence only 17 made it into law; checks and balances.
Maybe if the house wasn't so busy dividing the country and take down the president, obstructing and refusing to pass funds for immigration, they'd have a better score card as far as getting their bills into law.

j-mac said:

It is clear that Democrats have only one thing on their agenda. Impeach Trump...Not get anything done for the American people, not immigration, not infrastructure, not addressing any of the threats facing the country, not trade, nope....NOTHING but get rid of Trump...Is this really what America needs at this moment?

Democrats, Liberals, and Progressives are betting that the hatred of the President will fuel them in their electoral hopes with the promise of free this, free that, and don't you just hate Trump.....I think they are making a huge mistake...

All of this hate is boring...So, in this let's try and make this about what if anything other than 'get Trump' and insult anyone on this board that doesn't want to 'get Trump' shall we?

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They are pretty sure they cannot bet Trump in 2020 so they want to knock him out with impeachment. The senate will not impeach him unless there is a very good reason to do so. Right now there is no such reason.

Logician Man said:

Or if Trump didn't do this :inandout: at a scheduled cabinet meeting to discuss a two trillion dollar deal to rebuild America's infrastructure because he is having another one of his patented, petulant, childish, hissy fits.

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I think it's best to direct your claim for patented, petulant, childish hissy fits to the Pelosi and ilk.
I guess you don't think the POTUS has a right to defend himself against those trying to push him out of office?

trixare4kids said:

The senate is doing their job by not allowing crappy house bills to become law, hence only 17 made it into law; checks and balances.
Maybe if the house wasn't so busy dividing the country and take down the president, obstructing and refusing to pass funds for immigration, they'd have a better score card as far as getting their bills into law.

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More than not allowing them to become law, they are keeping them from being debated, where the opprtunity for compromise, which isessential to a democracy, may be considered. So the House is doing it's job; it's the Senate and the President who arent.

Trump rejected a compromise immigration bill. He has proved to be an unreliable negotiating partner. He is so bad that he accepted a bill that provided less funding for his wall.

trixare4kids said:

I think it's best to direct your claim for patented, petulant, childish hissy fits to the Pelosi and ilk.
I guess you don't think the POTUS has a right to defend himself against those trying to push him out of office?

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How is storming out of a meeting to discuss a bi-partisan infrastructure bill 'defending himself' ? All that does is hurt 'all' Americans.

trixare4kids said:

There are currently ELEVEN investigations of the president going on.
Think of what the Dems. could get done if they stopped the witch hunts.

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You don't think it's important that we learn all we can about an adversarial power attacking our democracy so we can better protect ourselves from future attacks?

By comparison there were at least 10 Benghazi investigations, and Congressman McCarthy pointed out that their purpose was to damage Hillary.

You fellows should focus more on protecting our nation and less on scoring political points on behalf of your corrupt leader.

j-mac said:

It is clear that Democrats have only one thing on their agenda. Impeach Trump...Not get anything done for the American people, not immigration, not infrastructure, not addressing any of the threats facing the country, not trade, nope....NOTHING but get rid of Trump...Is this really what America needs at this moment?

Democrats, Liberals, and Progressives are betting that the hatred of the President will fuel them in their electoral hopes with the promise of free this, free that, and don't you just hate Trump.....I think they are making a huge mistake...

All of this hate is boring...So, in this let's try and make this about what if anything other than 'get Trump' and insult anyone on this board that doesn't want to 'get Trump' shall we?

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Much of this board is already 'hate Trump' above and beyond anything else. No matter what the thread topic, they'll try to get some 'everybody should hate Trump' into it in some way or another no matter how non sequitur. It is becoming increasingly obvious that TDS is real and so insidiously pervasive that they really don't about anything else.

But IMO I am pretty sure they aren't going to impeach the President because first, I don't think they have the votes even among the Democrats, and second, they don't have a single crime to use to impeach him.

I thought the Clinton impeachment was inadvisable at the time, but at least Congress had genuine, bonafide crimes to use in the process, i.e. perjury and obstruction of justice. A New York Superior Court agreed that held him in contempt, the Arkansas Bar agreed when they disbarred him, and the U.S. Supreme Court agreed when they suspended his ability to argue before the high court.

With Trump as of today they have bupkis other than a few references in the Mueller report, none of which indicate obstruction of justice but are I believe deliberately worded in a provocative manner so that the Trump haters can pretend that they are evidence. It was the Mueller's team petulant parting shot when they couldn't get him which they desperately wanted to do.

Recent polls according to the we-hate-Trump Washington Post indicate that a strong majority of Americans do not want impeachment, a smaller but substantial majority agree with A.G. Barr that no crimes were committed, and a whopping 80% want their congressional representatives working more on infrastructure, health care, and immigration than on investigations of President Trump.

How tone deaf are the congressional Democrats anyway?

digsbe said:

The only thing it seems to be motivating the DNC is seething hatred and partisan blindness. The American people be damned, party > people.

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That is an interesting statement when juxtaposed with your Socrates quote.

lurchadams said:

Hey did you see that impromptu news conference when trump went around the room and asked all his sycophants to tell him how calm and what a "stable genius" he was with Chuck and Nancy? Wasn't that one of the most pathetic things you've ever seen in your life?

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I trust them more than Chuck and Nancy. Chuck needs a different pair of glasses he looks like a weasel with those glasses.

SLC said:

I trust them more than Chuck and Nancy. Chuck needs a different pair of glasses he looks like a weasel with those glasses.

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You trust Trump's sycophants more than Chuck and Nancy because of Chuck's glasses?

SLC said:

I trust them more than Chuck and Nancy. Chuck needs a different pair of glasses he looks like a weasel with those glasses.

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Weasels hunt rats, perfect for the current situation.

IMO, it would be a big mistake if the Democrats decide to take this route, impeachment, but politically I wouldn't mind if they did but only because it will backfire on them.

Personally, I don't want them to try this stunt, impeachment, because it would be bad for the country.

I'm interested to know how many who are reading this thread want the Democrats to impeach Trump.
Yes or No and give the reason for their vote.

SLC said:

I trust them more than Chuck and Nancy. Chuck needs a different pair of glasses he looks like a weasel with those glasses.

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That Trump felt he had to draw in his paid staff, some who not at the meeting, is embarrassing and demeaning, to himself. Proving once again that he is overwhelmed by internal insecurities and a sense of grievance.

It's understandable. He is clearly incapable of governing. It's unfortunate, though, the nation needs to be subjected to this rash and erratic demagogue.

trixare4kids said:

IMO, it would be a big mistake if the Democrats decide to take this route, impeachment, but politically I wouldn't mind if they did but only because it will backfire on them.

Personally, I don't want them to try this stunt, impeachment, because it would be bad for the country.

I'm interested to know how many who are reading this thread want the Democrats to impeach Trump.
Yes or No and give the reason for their vote.

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He should be impeached because he is corrupt to the core, but I am patient and content to watch him continue to unravel as the investigations continue. Exposing his corruption won't get a conviction in the Senate. Those poor senators are too frightened of him to do what they clearly know to be right. But as he is now totally unmoored from staff who have tried to protect the country from him, and his psychotic behavior grows, perhaps they will remove him from office

SLC said:

I trust them more than Chuck and Nancy. Chuck needs a different pair of glasses he looks like a weasel with those glasses.

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It amazes me how the anti-Trump brigade parrots the leftist media's narrative, opinions being passed off as factual information.
There is absolutely no proof that Trump coached others to lie for him.

Before the meeting, Nancy went to the press and decided to tell them Trump is engaged in a cover-up.

Glad to see the POTUS show a spine, and end the WH meeting. Nancy thinks she should get her cake and eat it too--Maybe in her next life if she comes back as the queen.

trixare4kids said:

I'm interested to know how many who are reading this thread want the Democrats to impeach Trump.
Yes or No and give the reason for their vote.

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Yes, because it's the right thing to do. And yes, I already know that it will fail in the Senate because Republicans wouldn't vote to remove him regardless of anything, and yes, I know that Republicans will use that failure in the Senate to create a false "exoneration" narrative. Sometimes doing the right thing is still right, even if it doesn't result in political benefits for the people doing the right thing.

j brown's body said:

He should be impeached because he is corrupt to the core, but I am patient and content to watch him continue to unravel as the investigations continue. Exposing his corruption won't get a conviction in the Senate. Those poor senators are too frightened of him to do what they clearly know to be right. But as he is now totally unmoored from staff who have tried to protect the country from him, and his psychotic behavior grows, perhaps they will be moved to remove him from office

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The onus is on the accuser to prove that Trump is corrupt to the core.
Mueller wasn't able to do that.
If the left doesn't think Mueller had access to the redundancy the house resisters are still seeking, I've a bridge to sell them.

Odd that you wouldn't see it's the opposite way around with the obsessive, endless and baseless re-investigation of the president. It's the Democrats who are unraveling with desperation.
He won't be removed from office until the public says so. The latest Harvard-Harris poll shows this. The Democrats refuse to listen... Now tell me again who it is who is acting psychotically?