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Morehouse College grads are surprised by a billionaire's promise to pay off their student loans

I'd have high school courses in:
Personal Finance: Budgeting, bills to pay, saving money.
Investment
Cars, Houses, Renting, and Insurance.
Career Choice
Job seeking
Career Success
Starting a small business

I'd also remove all government funding for fluff courses. Just a dream.

If one has been taught reading comprehension and basic math then much (if not all) about those subjects can be obtained from books or even internet sources. Of course, that would require taking time away from the bong, social media sites and video gaming.
 
If one has been taught reading comprehension and basic math then much (if not all) about those subjects can be obtained from books or even internet sources. Of course, that would require taking time away from the bong, social media sites and video gaming.

Kids will use their reading ability on reddit and instagram. We have school to force them to learn what they need to learn. If kids always made the right choices, we could just teach them how to read, give them the internet to learn, and cancel school forever.
 
Kids will use their reading ability on reddit and instagram. We have school to force them to learn what they need to learn. If kids always made the right choices, we could just teach them how to read, give them the internet to learn, and cancel school forever.

Some actually have responsible parental supervision and need not depend totally on the government to guide (force?) them. Public policy (and cultural?) changes seem to be eroding that number a bit but feel free to put your faith in applying more government force. ;)
 
Some actually have responsible parental supervision and need not depend totally on the government to guide (force?) them. Public policy (and cultural?) changes seem to be eroding that number a bit but feel free to put your faith in applying more government force. ;)

From what I see from parents, they don't do a good job teaching their kids life skills. So lets teach it in school. Our society will be a lot better off for it and the kids will thank us later.
 
From what I see from parents, they don't do a good job teaching their kids life skills. So lets teach it in school. Our society will be a lot better off for it and the kids will thank us later.

Good luck but it may conflict with social promotion and self esteem building which it is said to improve. Who, exactly, is going to each the current public school teachers these skills? I know quite a few who lack them.
 
I was a teacher for 33 years and have long advocated that every student learn and master every lesson before moving on. That means abolishing the grade system and letting students learn in there own way and at their own pace.

BOY!!!

Are you ever out of step with the American "Educational Establishment". The ONLY thing that is important is the "No Child Be Left With Hurt Feelings".

I was in my bank today and they were having a book sale to raise money for the food bank. One of the titles caught my eye so I picked up a Junior High School (or Middle School if you prefer) English text book from the late 1960s. After thumbing through it, I realized that the majority of today's High School graduates wouldn't have been able to read it and/or answer the questions posed after each selection.
 
We should educate them better in high school so they are a little better at making life choices.

By the time the kids reach high school, it's just a bit too late to introduce them to such harsh concepts as "If you cannot read or write well enough to read Joseph Conrad (in the original English) and/or if you cannot perform such advanced mathematical tasks as multiplying and dividing numbers higher than 10 without using a calculator, you are NOT going to pass and be "promoted" to the next grade.".

Have you ever asked a high school graduate how to convert MPH to Km/h without using a calculator? It's really very easy.

  1. Multiply the MPH figure by 2; (example [for 50 MPH] 50 x 2 = 100)
  2. Multiply the product in 1. by 2; (example continued 100 x 2 = 200)
  3. Multiply the product in 2. by 2; (example continued 200 x 2 = 400)
  4. Multiply the product in 3. by 2; (example continued 400 x 2 = 800) then
  5. Divide the product in 4. by 10 (example continued 800 / 10 = 80) thus 50 MPH = 80 Km/h

Now tell them that trick and ask them why that "trick" works and watch the blank look appear.
 
Two years of free community college.

It ain't "FREE"!

What you actually mean is "Two years of community college that someone else pays for.".

What you are actually advocating is "Two more years of school in which the kids can continue to not learn the stuff that they would have learned by Grade 9 back in the 1970s.".
 
Which is even more reason for some bright blue state to bite the bullet and try taxing folks enough to make loads of stuff "free" for the 'less fortunate' in their state. When they watch those rich "liberals" vote with their feet and move to a less blue state, as hoards of the 'less fortunate flock in to get "free" stuff, then they will learn what many of us already know.

Have you ever thought about the possibility of imposing a POST ATTENDANCE tax (and one that is NOT "extinguishable" through bankruptcy) on the gross incomes of the people who attend post-secondary education institutions to replace the current "up front" tuition fees?

Yes, there would be a "transition period" where the tuition income would have to be replaced from general revenue, but once the students started leaving school that drain on general revenue would be reduced to zero.
 
By the time the kids reach high school, it's just a bit too late to introduce them to such harsh concepts as "If you cannot read or write well enough to read Joseph Conrad (in the original English) and/or if you cannot perform such advanced mathematical tasks as multiplying and dividing numbers higher than 10 without using a calculator, you are NOT going to pass and be "promoted" to the next grade.".

Have you ever asked a high school graduate how to convert MPH to Km/h without using a calculator? It's really very easy.

  1. Multiply the MPH figure by 2; (example [for 50 MPH] 50 x 2 = 100)
  2. Multiply the product in 1. by 2; (example continued 100 x 2 = 200)
  3. Multiply the product in 2. by 2; (example continued 200 x 2 = 400)
  4. Multiply the product in 3. by 2; (example continued 400 x 2 = 800) then
  5. Divide the product in 4. by 10 (example continued 800 / 10 = 80) thus 50 MPH = 80 Km/h

Now tell them that trick and ask them why that "trick" works and watch the blank look appear.

That's a lot of effort when you can just multiply by 1.60 to get it within a decimal place. If you want exact use 1.60934
 
Have you ever thought about the possibility of imposing a POST ATTENDANCE tax (and one that is NOT "extinguishable" through bankruptcy) on the gross incomes of the people who attend post-secondary education institutions to replace the current "up front" tuition fees?

Yes, there would be a "transition period" where the tuition income would have to be replaced from general revenue, but once the students started leaving school that drain on general revenue would be reduced to zero.

So basically these students become permanent indentured servants. That's a great idea.
 
Kids will use their reading ability on reddit and instagram.

Have you ever taken a good look at the average level of literacy exhibited on Reddit and Instagram?

We have school to force them to learn what they need to learn.

A common misconception. There is no "compulsory education" in the US. What there is is "compulsory school attendance". Where "progress measurement" is required, the standards are so low that the passing mark is almost irrelevant.

If kids always made the right choices, we could just teach them how to read, give them the internet to learn, and cancel school forever.

Even then you might have to exercise some leverage in order to ensure that what the kids "learn on the Internet" has a solid connection to reality.
 
That's a lot of effort when you can just multiply by 1.60 to get it within a decimal place. If you want exact use 1.60934

Try multiplying by 1.6 in your head.

Yes, I can do it, but I can do the "doubling four times and dividing by 10" a whole lot faster (especially when I'm driving and don't want to whip out a pad and pencil).
 
So basically these students become permanent indentured servants. That's a great idea.

Nope, they end up (as a class) paying for their own education. That, surprisingly enough what they are already doing. The only difference is that some lending institution isn't making a profit out of it. (Which, of course, is why it will never happen.)

True, some of them will never pay back the cost of the education they received and some of them will pay back more than the cost of the education they received, but that's how "taxation for public services" actually works. (For example, since I have never been a "victim of crime" every dime that I paid in taxes that went to "law enforcement and the criminal justice system" has not resulted in me receiving a single PERSONAL benefit.)

PS - Did you realize that families with no children have to pay school taxes? Isn't that incredibly unjust?
 
Have you ever thought about the possibility of imposing a POST ATTENDANCE tax (and one that is NOT "extinguishable" through bankruptcy) on the gross incomes of the people who attend post-secondary education institutions to replace the current "up front" tuition fees?

Yes, there would be a "transition period" where the tuition income would have to be replaced from general revenue, but once the students started leaving school that drain on general revenue would be reduced to zero.

That method of financing seems OK but it should be done on a per school basis. Allocate $X (from the state) as seed money to each school and then the school must rely on (re-)payments from past students replenishing the fund to allow for the next class of students to attend. Schools that admit slackers who do do re-pay their costs will eventually have to fold since they would have no more funding.
 
BOY!!!

Are you ever out of step with the American "Educational Establishment". The ONLY thing that is important is the "No Child Be Left With Hurt Feelings".

I was in my bank today and they were having a book sale to raise money for the food bank. One of the titles caught my eye so I picked up a Junior High School (or Middle School if you prefer) English text book from the late 1960s. After thumbing through it, I realized that the majority of today's High School graduates wouldn't have been able to read it and/or answer the questions posed after each selection.

Which is why I endorse the solution that I previously cited.
 
It ain't "FREE"!

What you actually mean is "Two years of community college that someone else pays for.".

What you are actually advocating is "Two more years of school in which the kids can continue to not learn the stuff that they would have learned by Grade 9 back in the 1970s.".

You should call up Joe Biden and discuss that with him. I answered another poster's question about what free college Biden is advocating.

I didn't advocate or comment on anything. Lying is not a good look on you.
 
That method of financing seems OK but it should be done on a per school basis. Allocate $X (from the state) as seed money to each school and then the school must rely on (re-)payments from past students replenishing the fund to allow for the next class of students to attend. Schools that admit slackers who do do re-pay their costs will eventually have to fold since they would have no more funding.

You have proposed an interesting wrinkle that I had not thought about.

The unfortunate problem is that (as I learned whilst a member of a major university's "Scholarships, Awards, and Bursaries Committee") there is no way of telling, in advance, which 10% of the people who untake post-secondary education will increase their income sufficiently that the increased amount that they pay in taxes will actually end up paying the cost of their education. That means that there is actually no way of identifying the "slackers" on admission.

You might find "Why Many 'C' Students End Up Most Successful", "9 Presidential Candidates Who Weren't Great Students", and "Why The Ones Who Have Bad Grades Are Often The Ones Who Are Most Successful" somewhat interesting.
 
You should call up Joe Biden and discuss that with him. I answered another poster's question about what free college Biden is advocating.

I didn't advocate or comment on anything. Lying is not a good look on you.

I'm so sorry that you cannot tell the difference between "rectifying a factual misstatement" and "lying".

"Two years of free community college" was YOUR statement.

The FACT is that it is NOT "free" because SOMEONE has to pay for it so that means the it actually means "two years of community college that someone else pays for".

When you consider the general decline in literacy level (plus the inexorable progress of "grade inflation"), you can see that advocating a further (to use your term) "free" education is, in actuality, advocating "two more years of school in which the kids can continue to not learn the stuff that they would have learned by Grade 9 back in the 1970s.".

I'm sorry to burst your pet bubble, but there is no actual requirement that any child actually learn anything in school. All that is "mandatory" is that the child "attend school".

Until you can convince the sizable minority of Americans who currently so not ACTUALLY believe that "An education is a Good Thing" otherwise, then you are going to see a continued shift in the level of operating intelligence in society. Whether that shift will ever go as far as CM Kornbluth set out in THIS STORY, I cannot say.
 
I'm so sorry that you cannot tell the difference between "rectifying a factual misstatement" and "lying".

"Two years of free community college" was YOUR statement.

The FACT is that it is NOT "free" because SOMEONE has to pay for it so that means the it actually means "two years of community college that someone else pays for".

When you consider the general decline in literacy level (plus the inexorable progress of "grade inflation"), you can see that advocating a further (to use your term) "free" education is, in actuality, advocating "two more years of school in which the kids can continue to not learn the stuff that they would have learned by Grade 9 back in the 1970s.".

I'm sorry to burst your pet bubble, but there is no actual requirement that any child actually learn anything in school. All that is "mandatory" is that the child "attend school".

Until you can convince the sizable minority of Americans who currently so not ACTUALLY believe that "An education is a Good Thing" otherwise, then you are going to see a continued shift in the level of operating intelligence in society. Whether that shift will ever go as far as CM Kornbluth set out in THIS STORY, I cannot say.

Two years of free community college was Joe Biden's statement. Not mine.

The rest of your post is irrelevant tripe. Take it up with Biden. I answered another poster's question about what Biden was pitching.
 
Mostly for the luls. Are you mad that nobody is taking the whining about this seriously?

Maybe Rush will step in to help some of the folks at Trump university.

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Im annoyed that theres so many trolls on this forum.
 
Is graduate A miffed at every billionaire who pays for someone else's education? Is he miffed at every fellow student at his college whose parents or other relative paid for the cost of the college?

In this country there are thousands upon thousands of graduates who don't have student loans at the end of their schooling. I never heard of anyone getting miffed over that.

False dilemma fallacy....Fallacies are debate losers, so, why do you so often use them?
 
Im annoyed that theres so many trolls on this forum.
If a poster showed up years before you, there's a chance they're the incumbent and someone else is the troll.

The whining about this exists because some folks didn't get their loan paid off.

Maybe Tucker will step up?


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False dilemma fallacy....Fallacies are debate losers, so, why do you so often use them?
Lmao, a false dilemma based on legitimate questions about the overwhelming majority of people who aren't on the internet whining about someone paying for someone else's education.

That's bravely stupid.

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