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Teen sues officer who held him at gunpoint near bus stop

joko104 said:
This is nothing. A police officer scared him. Boo hoo. No one was hurt. Just someone thinking they can get free money, nothing else.
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She attempted to incriminate him with a felony without evidence.... Lucky the local cops didnt go along with it!
 
So far, no one says what they claim a police officer should do when hearing a suspicious loud noise and see a young adult man immediately running from the scene.

I gather many of you demand the police should do nothing in that situation.

The slogan of cop haters: "If you see or hear something, do nothing." That's what they want in police training manuals.
 
joko104 said:
This is how cop haters want police checking out suspicious activity to end:

A police officer was shot and killed near a school in Georgia after responding to a report of a suspicious vehicle, authorities said. Antwan Toney and another officer approached a vehicle near the Shiloh Middle School in Snellville to check out a report of people smoking marijuana, according to Sgt. Jake Smith of the Gwinnett County Police Department.

Georgia police officer shot and killed

To cop haters, the only time police acted correctly is when the police officer is murdered.
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So wanting cops to not point guns at unarmed people who havent commited a crime is "cop-hating"? You arent based in reality bro. What your talking about is fiction.
 
joko104 said:
So far, no one says what they claim a police officer should do when hearing a suspicious loud noise and see a young adult man immediately running from the scene.

I gather many of you demand the police should do nothing in that situation.
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They should pull their weapon, demand the suspect to surrender and then investigate
 
joko104 said:
There was every reason to do so. Threats of deadly force prevents deadly force.

The US Supreme Court has ruled that in a suspicious situation police not only can detain a person, but even can frisk the person. Police who have not drawn their gun when sensing danger die. If the officer has to wait until seeing the other person pull a gun, that officer will die. It is that simple and that real. Yet you demand that officer do nothing - and sacrifice her life if she does.

In this era, any person who becomes a patrol officer truly has to be desperate for a job. No sane person would take the job if there was any alternative now. Existing officers should singularly look out for their safety, including legally, so generally should do absolutely nothing - other than drive in the other direction to any possible crime.
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If a cop points a gun at someone for no good reason they deserve to be shot to preserve society and protect life.
 
dirtpoorchris said:
She attempted to incriminate him with a felony without evidence.... Lucky the local cops didnt go along with it!
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That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. How did she try to "incriminate" him?
 
joko104 said:
The bottom line to your messages is you want police to die.

No, legally she could threaten to shoot him if he did not comply, but could not do so solely for that reason. However, the reasonably heightens the danger making gestures he made indicating possibly going for a weapon could justify shooting. It is a very problematical situation for police when an suspect flees with no apparent weapon - very dangerous because in only rare situations with other factors may an officer fire at a fleeing suspect.

If she had not had her sidearm drawn and if he had a gun and pulled it, she died. It is that simple. Hollywood quick draw when the other person draws first is 100% false fantasy. Unless incredibly trained, whoever draws first wins.

No one getting hurt in that situation infuriates you, doesn't it? "The cop scared me" isn't a legitimate lawsuit, when the alternative was no reaction to a suspicious person in a suspicious situation - or the officer exposes herself to violently being shot to death.

Patrol officers will face and stop thousands and thousands of people - sane people. Crazy people. Felons with warrants. People out of their mind on drugs. An officer whose practice is to endanger their own life not to offend anyone (and sometimes also then lives of others) are the officers mostly like murdered or crippled for life. They are also the officers most likely to have to shoot someone by exposing themselves in the way tempting to those who would do violence.

The best use of a firearm is to use the firearm to assure no one fires a firearm.
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And the best way to use a firearm to assure that no one fires a firearm is to shoot and kill any theoretically potential suspect before they get a chance to make an aggressive move that might possibly cause some harm. (Besides, funerals are a whole lot cheaper than trials - aren't they?)
 
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TU Curmudgeon said:
From ABC News

Teen sues officer who held him at gunpoint near bus stop
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A Wyoming teenager is suing an off-duty officer from Colorado who pulled a gun on him as he ran to a bus stop in Jackson.

The Jackson Hole News & Guide reports 18-year-old Gerardo Becerra filed claims of assault, battery and false imprisonment against Vanessa Schultz in a Wyoming court.

Schultz is a police officer in Colorado and was on vacation when she heard a loud noise and assumed a teenager running nearby had committed a crime. Becerra was running to catch a bus.

The lawsuit claims Schultz detained Becerra, threatened to shoot him and was "exhilarated" when police arrived.

A special prosecutor concluded Schultz shouldn't have pulled her gun, but criminal charges weren't warranted.

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Someone's college fund is going to get a boost here. It would be interesting to see what sort of insurance coverage Ms. Schultz' police department has with respect to "off duty conduct in a law enforcement setting".
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The officer did not break the law and yet some greedy rich lawyer has convinced the kid to sue for damages for the financial benefit of the kid and the lawyer.
 
HumblePi said:
Why do people keep insisting on defending a police officer who threatens and even kills innocent people? We've turned the corner on police diligence and police over-reach. So many cases of police abuse of authority are simply dismissed or justified such as the choking death of Eric Garner in 2014. The police knew Eric Garner, they knew his name, they knew he lived in the neighborhood, they knew he had no record, they knew him personally. Nevertheless, Eric Garner was choked to death on a street in Staten Island, New York accused of selling 'onsies' which means he was selling single cigarettes. Eric Garner denied this charge and told police that they were harassing him unnecessarily. At this point, several police put the unarmed man in a choke hold. After he repeated "I can't breathe" seven times, Eric Garner was choked to death.

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Just two days ago, a Texas police officer shot an unarmed woman after tasering her. She told the policeman that she was pregnant. A witness recorded this encounter with his phone and she can be heard telling the police officer ""I'm walking! I'm actually walking to my house!". The officer tried to handcuff her and she broke free and at that point he tasered her. She fell to the ground. She yelled to him that she was pregnant and she and the officer struggled and she got his taser gun and tasered him. It was at this point that he shot her as she was down on the ground, five times. There's a video online and it's disturbing, but the most disturbing thing is that this is a pattern with police officers across the country.
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Police have extra rights that nullyfing normal citizens rights with whim and feeling and opinion.
 
joko104 said:
The odds twice as good as that difference than if you play Russian roulette with a 6 shot revolver. Do you? :roll:
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I quite understand your position that all police officers should shoot and kill all potential suspects if the potential suspect doesn't do exactly what the police officer tells them to do, in exactly the manner that the police officer tells them to do it, at exactly the time that the police officer tells them to do it.

I don't agree with it, but I understand why someone who lives in abject fear that some violent criminal will kill them during 99.99999% of their waking hours might feel that way.
 
joko104 said:
So far, no one says what they claim a police officer should do when hearing a suspicious loud noise and see a young adult man immediately running from the scene.

I gather many of you demand the police should do nothing in that situation.

The slogan of cop haters: "If you see or hear something, do nothing." That's what they want in police training manuals.
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What should a person do if they risk being late getting to their bus stop? Does hearing a loud noise change that in any way?
 
joko104 said:
That's a lie.

No one was shot. The officer followed correct procedure to insure no one was.
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Pointing a gun at someone is the same as holding a knife up to their neck. She needs to go to jail.

"Oops im sorry your Honor I accidentally held a knife up to his neck because I thought he was a criminal"
 
Predictably, this is being turned into a general cop hating thread.

I bet there are 10 times as many messages on this forum attacking police then there are attacking those who murdered cops.

It would be nice if each of you self-declared experts would tell of your experience in civilian situations of being shot at or violently attacked - and how you expertly handled it without a firearm and in which no one was hurt.
 
dirtpoorchris said:
Pointing a gun at someone is the same as holding a knife up to their neck. She needs to go to jail.

"Oops im sorry your Honor I accidentally held a knife up to his neck because I thought he was a criminal"
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It was not an accident. It was a criminal investigation
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
She kept him prisoner for no reason, she was not on duty, she was not a PO from that state, she had no reason to detain him for running to a bus
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She was conducting an investigation regarding public safety. Literally her job
 
joko104 said:
So far, no one says what they claim a police officer should do when hearing a suspicious loud noise and see a young adult man immediately running from the scene.

I gather many of you demand the police should do nothing in that situation.

The slogan of cop haters: "If you see or hear something, do nothing." That's what they want in police training manuals.
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How about you put your hand on yoru gun (without removing it) and tell them "STOP! I am police officer! What are you running from?" Instead of just pointing a gun at them without evidence which is the same as holding a knife up to someones neck. Anyone who points a gun at a person intended to kill them. This man was treated as a felon without evidence. This cop needs to lose her 2nd amendment right.

And the prosecutor should be put in jail too for refusing to convict her of her crime just because she is a cop.
 
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joko104 said:
Predictably, this is being turned into a general cop hating thread.

I bet there are 10 times as many messages on this forum attacking police then there are attacking those who murdered cops.

It would be nice if each of you self-declared experts would tell of your experience in civilian situations of being shot at or violently attacked - and how you expertly handled it without a firearm and in which no one was hurt.
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Exactly. They never cry when a police officer is assassinated.
 
dirtpoorchris said:
Pointing a gun at someone is the same as holding a knife up to their neck. She needs to go to jail.

"Oops im sorry your Honor I accidentally held a knife up to his neck because I thought he was a criminal"
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Another stupid message. She didn't accidentally do anything.

:doh My god, how can everyone be soooo ignorant in their messages - other than being blinded by their pure hatred of all police?

That vacationing officer faces only ONE legal issue. She was not within her jurisdiction or state, so she could not legally act as a police officer.

Thus, the legal standard is NOT whether her conduct was illegal as an officer as it was not. She did exactly what EVERY cop, DA and lawyer knows is not illegal for police - and police will do this thousands of times a day.

The ONLY legal question is could she what she did as a private citizen as she had no jurisdiction to act as a police officer in another city and state? THAT is what the lawsuit is about.

The ONLY legal question is whether Wyoming law would allow a CITIZEN to detain a person at gun point in that situation. Each state's laws are very different on that legal issue.

Are you all REALLY so blinding by your hatred of police to not understand that? :roll:
 
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vegas giants said:
They should pull their weapon, demand the suspect to surrender and then investigate
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I'm sorry, but that won't satisfy the person you are responding to. The correct response is

  1. they should pull their weapon; then
  2. demand that the other person stop; then
  3. start shooting until the other person is dead unless the other person stops running immediately; but if they don't have to start shooting then, then they should
  4. demand that the other person lie on the ground, then
  5. start shooting until the other person is dead unless the other person lies on the ground immediately; but if they don't have to start shooting then, then they should
  6. demand that the other person assume an awkward and uncomfortable position, then
  7. start shooting until the other person is dead unless the other person assumes exactly the demanded awkward and uncomfortable position immediately; but if they don't have to start shooting then, then they should
  8. think about how they are going to invent a plausible reason for what they have done, then
  9. start shooting until the other person is dead if they cannot think of a plausible reason for what they have done, then
  10. lie through their teeth about what they had done, and, lastly,
  11. be commended and promoted for their valiant performance of their duty.
 
joko104 said:
That's a lie.

No one was shot. The officer followed correct procedure to insure no one was.
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But you said she should have aand it would have been perfectly OK.

(Are you having fun now?)
 
joko104 said:
Predictably, this is being turned into a general cop hating thread.

I bet there are 10 times as many messages on this forum attacking police then there are attacking those who murdered cops.

It would be nice if each of you self-declared experts would tell of your experience in civilian situations of being shot at or violently attacked - and how you expertly handled it without a firearm and in which no one was hurt.
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So it is cop hating to believe that cops should not be able to do whatever they want, that they should require a reason to hold someone at gunpoint?
 
Trump said:
have you been to lawless downtown Los Angeles lately? or last 10 years
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Nope, but what, exactly, does that have to do with a man running to catch his bus in Jackson Hole, WY?
 
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