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The Latest: Judge orders parts of Mueller report unredacted

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So, it appears under one of the redactions is information Flynn gave to the SCO regarding the Trump campaigns outreach to Wikileaks, and the lies relating to the public denials of seeking those documents, as well the attempts to persuade Flynn not to cooperate.

So, what happens now? I told you guys that eventually a judge would order the Trump administration to do something they don't want to do, and that day has come. What exactly is going to happen if and when Barr responds with a "make me!" remands to be seen, as well whether this finally sends Democrats over the edge to an impeachment/censure investigation.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...8a43b84ee31_story.html?utm_term=.775832354fc2

A federal judge has ordered portions of special counsel Robert Mueller’s report to be unredacted and made public in the criminal case against former national security adviser Michael Flynn.

U.S. District Judge Emmet Sullivan issued the limited order Thursday. Portions of the report relating to Flynn are redacted and would be made public under the order.

It is the first time a federal judge has ordered the Justice Department to make public portions of the report the agency had kept secret.
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Former White House national security adviser Michael Flynn told the special counsel’s office that people connected to the Trump administration and Congress contacted him about his cooperation with the Russia investigation.

That’s according to a court filing from prosecutors Thursday that describes the extent of Flynn’s cooperation with the probe.

The document says Flynn and his attorneys received communications from unidentified people connected to the administration and Congress that “could have affected both his willingness to cooperate and the completeness of that cooperation.” Prosecutors say Flynn provided a voicemail recording of one such communication.
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MovingPictures said:
So, it appears under one of the redactions is information Flynn gave to the SCO regarding the Trump campaigns outreach to Wikileaks, and the lies relating to the public denials of seeking those documents, as well the attempts to persuade Flynn not to cooperate.

So, what happens now? I told you guys that eventually a judge would order the Trump administration to do something they don't want to do, and that day has come. What exactly is going to happen if and when Barr responds with a "make me!" remands to be seen, as well whether this finally sends Democrats over the edge to an impeachment/censure investigation.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...8a43b84ee31_story.html?utm_term=.775832354fc2
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How soon before Trump attacks the Honourable Emmet Sullivan xD?
 
MovingPictures said:
So, it appears under one of the redactions is information Flynn gave to the SCO regarding the Trump campaigns outreach to Wikileaks, and the lies relating to the public denials of seeking those documents, as well the attempts to persuade Flynn not to cooperate.

So, what happens now? I told you guys that eventually a judge would order the Trump administration to do something they don't want to do, and that day has come. What exactly is going to happen if and when Barr responds with a "make me!" remands to be seen, as well whether this finally sends Democrats over the edge to an impeachment/censure investigation.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...8a43b84ee31_story.html?utm_term=.775832354fc2
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When have you seen Trump refuse to comply with a court order?

After all, he's not Obama.
 
Any day now, President "Literally Hitler" Trump will be dragged from the Oval Office - and when he sits around the Oval Office, he sits AROUND the Oval Office, right kids? - and broken on the wheel.

I mean, impeached.
 
I can't believe the democrats keep beating this dead horse... Obsession doesn't seem strong enough a word to describe their behavior.
 
Grim17 said:
I can't believe the democrats keep beating this dead horse... Obsession doesn't seem strong enough a word to describe their behavior.
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Says the guy that still talks about Clinton's emails and the deep state ...
 
MovingPictures said:
So, it appears under one of the redactions is information Flynn gave to the SCO regarding the Trump campaigns outreach to Wikileaks, and the lies relating to the public denials of seeking those documents, as well the attempts to persuade Flynn not to cooperate.
So, what happens now? I told you guys that eventually a judge would order the Trump administration to do something they don't want to do, and that day has come. What exactly is going to happen if and when Barr responds with a "make me!" remands to be seen, as well whether this finally sends Democrats over the edge to an impeachment/censure investigation.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...8a43b84ee31_story.html?utm_term=.775832354fc2
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To be honest, I don't see what you're getting excited about. Information pertaining to Flynn is redacted in Mueller's report because Flynn hasn't been sentenced yet. Judge Sullivan wants to see whether the accusations made by the FBI have any merit. The FBI never provided any factual evidence (transcript or recordings) on what actually has been said between Flynn and Kislyak.

Something wasn't quite right, because Judge Sullivan had already asked Flynn a couple of times whether he's sure about not wanting to withdraw his plea agreement at a previous hearing.
Flynn couldn't withdraw his plea agreement because Mueller had threatened to go after his son.

It's good to see that a judge wants to see evidence and not just take the FBI's word.


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Papadopoulos also has a comment on the Flynn news: (grin)


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Relax, everyone. The Flynn news is a distraction from the big news coming out of Italy today that the Italians flipped on Brennan and are giving up Mifsud. If any “outreaches” from Congress/WH constituted “obstruction”, it would have been in the Mueller report. Keep focused!
4:33 PM - 16 May 2019
 
Grim17 said:
I can't believe the democrats keep beating this dead horse... Obsession doesn't seem strong enough a word to describe their behavior.
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This horse, the censored Mueller report, isn't dead. Not by a long shot. It's going to do a lot of kicking before it dies.
 
MovingPictures said:
Says the guy that still talks about Clinton's emails and the deep state ...
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I don't discuss the Clinton emails because we already know she broke the law and violated national security according to James Comey himself.

As for the "deep state" issue, there's a difference between that and the Trump/Russia thing for you all:

We want the facts we don't have, while you people have facts you don't want.

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Grim17 said:
I don't discuss the Clinton emails because we already know she broke the law and violated national security according to James Comey himself.
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Yes, you do discuss the Clinton email story to this day. You made another blog post about it just a few weeks ago. And, no, Comey never stated Clinton broke the law, you're making that up.

As for the "deep state" issue, there's a difference between that and the Trump/Russia thing for you all:
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We want the facts we don't have, while you people have facts you don't want.
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You people are just making **** up and hoping one day it sticks.
 
MovingPictures said:
So, it appears under one of the redactions is information Flynn gave to the SCO regarding the Trump campaigns outreach to Wikileaks, and the lies relating to the public denials of seeking those documents, as well the attempts to persuade Flynn not to cooperate.

So, what happens now? I told you guys that eventually a judge would order the Trump administration to do something they don't want to do, and that day has come. What exactly is going to happen if and when Barr responds with a "make me!" remands to be seen, as well whether this finally sends Democrats over the edge to an impeachment/censure investigation.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...8a43b84ee31_story.html?utm_term=.775832354fc2
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If they ignore a court order, it falls on the shoulders of subordinates to obey the Court over executive. If they refuse to enforce the order against Team Trump then we will have a true constitutional crisis, right in the center of democracy.

I'd hope they'd at least try appealing it. But if there ever is a final order (let's say SCOTUS orders something) and they ignore it, democracy hangs on whether or not the feds with guns are loyal to the President over all else. If they are, well that's that then, isn't it.
 
Mr Person said:
If they ignore a court order, it falls on the shoulders of subordinates to obey the Court over executive. If they refuse to enforce the order against Team Trump then we will have a true constitutional crisis, right in the center of democracy.

I'd hope they'd at least try appealing it. But if there ever is a final order (let's say SCOTUS orders something) and they ignore it, democracy hangs on whether or not the feds with guns are loyal to the President over all else. If they are, well that's that then, isn't it.
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The only remedy at that point is an impeachment and the Republicans wouldn't be onboard even at that point.

It's not a constitutional crisis, it's crisis in the GOP.
 
MovingPictures said:
The only remedy at that point is an impeachment and the Republicans wouldn't be onboard even at that point.

It's not a constitutional crisis, it's crisis in the GOP.
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The hypothetical was a court ordering someone on Team Trump to provide evidence and that person refusing. My point was that the court cannot directly enforce its order. It has no army. (It has used those words). So even if SCOTUS ordered Team Trump to do something, nothing would happen unless the relevant law enforcement bodies executed the order. But if they refused to carry out the order, that would be a crisis. (Compare this hypothetical with the response to the separation policy court orders).

If law enforcement did not obey the court's order, why would they obey congress's?
 
Barnacle said:
Papadopoulos also has a comment on the Flynn news: (grin)


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Relax, everyone. The Flynn news is a distraction from the big news coming out of Italy today that the Italians flipped on Brennan and are giving up Mifsud. If any “outreaches” from Congress/WH constituted “obstruction”, it would have been in the Mueller report. Keep focused!
4:33 PM - 16 May 2019
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I had not seen this ty for this update. As I have said for some time Brennan will be the fall guy here and it looks like for good reason.
 
MovingPictures said:
Yes, you do discuss the Clinton email story to this day. You made another blog post about it just a few weeks ago. And, no, Comey never stated Clinton broke the law, you're making that up.
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I wasn't re-investigating the Clinton email thing, because just like Trump/Russia, it's over. That blog post was my take on why the FBI handled each of the investigations the way they did.

Comey clearly laid out how she violated the law, but then said that no charges were going to be filed against her. That was confirmed when we learned that he originally labeled her actions as grossly negligent (the standard dictated in the statute), but because the DOJ said they would not file charges, that language was removed from his speech.


You people are just making **** up and hoping one day it sticks.
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In all seriousness, if a gun was put to my head right now and I had to cite all of the known public evidence indicating that possible government corruption took place in those investigations, I couldn't possibly do it. The list is just too long to remember it all. The fact that you think citing sworn congressional testimony, and citing the information revealed from thousands of government documents and electronic communications, is republicans/conservatives "making **** up", tells me that you don't give a damned about anything but your political agenda.

Finally, while I was skeptical about whether Trump colluded with Russia, in the more than 2 years of discussions on this board, never once did I ever say that the Mueller investigation should be stopped. Every time I was asked, I said that one way or the other the investigation needed to be completed by Mueller and that the American people deserved to see the results of that investigation. That's because at the end of the day, I care more about keeping corruption out of our government, than I do about political gamesmanship. Weeding out government corruption should never take a back seat to partisan politics... Too bad you and so many others around here don't see it that way.

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Casca XV said:
I love wikileaks too. They are a journalist organization with a 100% record of accuracy and they go after both sides.
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All cultists and Putin fans love Wikileaks, they are a branch of Putin's propaganda machine...
 
Democrats run to their pet Democrat appointed Federal judge ordering the judge what the judge is to sign - and then declare victory.

How'd that work out in the long run on the travel ban?:lamo

I' predict that the Democrat appointed Federal judges the Democrats judge shop for will sign virtually anything the Democratic Party orders their judge to sign. But unless the Republicans don't really care much, the only question is what will the Supreme Court rule - but the OPer know that.
 
joko104 said:
Democrats run to their pet Democrat appointed Federal judge ordering the judge what the judge is to sign - and then declare victory.

How'd that work out in the long run on the travel ban?:lamo

I' predict that the Democrat appointed Federal judges the Democrats judge shop for will sign virtually anything the Democratic Party orders their judge to sign. But unless the Republicans don't really care much, the only question is what will the Supreme Court rule - but the OPer know that.
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Mueller actually helped redact the report. This is just a meaningless talking point. Dems are desperate.
 
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