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Dems push bill on health care, drug prices through House

Mycroft said:
Political posturing.

Dismissed.
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You lot are on record voting against healthcare for the people.

Beware the ides of 2020, Mycroft.

Beware.
 
dcsports said:
The GOP was not against healthcare reform. They advocated for it. There was a lot in the ACA (estimates of 90% of the bill) that had strong bipartisan support, regarding quality measures, communication standards, etc.
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This kind of BS was easier before the GOP took full control of government and had to show their hand. The jig is up. We know exactly what the GOP supports and what it doesn't. That's why they were tossed out of the House in droves a few months ago.
 
This patient observer is still awaiting the Republican replacement for the ACA. They have yet to provide a date when it will be ready for the American public to read it.
 
American said:
What does DoJ have to do with healthcare insurance?
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Exactly, you made my point. What does the DoJ have to do with healthcare? In particular, William Barr, the Attorney General of the US? Barr has already shown himself to be a toadie for Trump and this goes one step further. This goes to show how far William Barr will bend over for Trump. He has no business inserting himself into the ACA debate just as he had no right to defy a Congressional subpoena. Even Susan Collins implored him two days before the DoJ filing not to interject himself into the ACA debate, that it was Congress's obligation. It's not very comforting knowing that the AG of the U.S. who is supposed to be looking out for us - the people of the US- in fact doesn't care if the law regarding pre-existing conditions gets wiped out which will cause many people to die. He doesn't care because he only cares about Trump and the GOP.

On May 5th, the Justice Dept. filed a court brief arguing that the ACA was unconstitutional and should be struck down including the provisions for pre-existing conditions.

Barr's Justice Dept asks court to tear down the ACA in its entirety | MSNBC

The Trump administration's position is that the courts should do what Congress did not do, destroy the existing health care system.the

William Barr's DOJ files the most nakedly partisan brief in history.
 
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Greenbeard said:
A few minutes ago the House passed, on a near-party-line vote, legislation to push down drug prices and help people enroll in coverage. Allegedly the GOP supported the parts of the legislation going after pharma, but just couldn't get behind the pieces helping people find coverage and curbing plans that discriminate against people with pre-existing conditions. Priorities.

Dems push bill on health care, drug prices through House


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It's really sad when legislation like this is purposefully packaged in a way to score political points, and force political hands.

Don't like it when either party does it.


It's not like they are so swamped they have to combine these bills for efficiencies sake.

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LOL.. When the GOP controlled the House under Obama they voted what??? 50-60 times to de-fund ACA... But now the Dems are being accused by Trumsters of 'driving a wedge' and using this to 'play politics'?????

It is scary to see how far Trumpsters will let Trump and the Republican cowards in Congress get away with.
 
HumblePi said:
Exactly, you made my point. What does the DoJ have to do with healthcare? In particular, William Barr, the Attorney General of the US? Barr has already shown himself to be a toadie for Trump and this goes one step further. This goes to show how far William Barr will bend over for Trump. He has no business inserting himself into the ACA debate just as he had no right to defy a Congressional subpoena. Even Susan Collins implored him two days before the DoJ filing not to interject himself into the ACA debate, that it was Congress's obligation. It's not very comforting knowing that the AG of the U.S. who is supposed to be looking out for us - the people of the US- in fact doesn't care if the law regarding pre-existing conditions gets wiped out which will cause many people to die. He doesn't care because he only cares about Trump and the GOP.

On May 5th, the Justice Dept. filed a court brief arguing that the ACA was unconstitutional and should be struck down including the provisions for pre-existing conditions.

Barr's Justice Dept asks court to tear down the ACA in its entirety | MSNBC

The Trump administration's position is that the courts should do what Congress did not do, destroy the existing health care system.the

William Barr's DOJ files the most nakedly partisan brief in history.
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William Barr is smarter than the entire Intelligence subcommittee put together. He's no one's toadie, because you clearly don't know his background. What you can't stand is that he's now doing a full cavity search on the Obama administration's Russia investigation. Something has been stinking about it for over 2 years, and he's going to find out what it is.
 
Nemiroff said:
"Dems seized it as a wedge issue"??? In what leap of nonsense? Dems are trying to increase health coverage. Its been their stated goal since step 1!

It is Republicans who decided to dig in despite health coverage becoming increasingly popular amongst their constituents (but not the people they actually represent). This is just embarrassing as the only 1st world country that "cant afford it". We're supposed to be the greatest...
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Too bad they are so short sided to see that absolutely everyone must pay federal taxes to pay for it. Dems want to give health care to all the illegals. They are on the path to destroying Medicare.
 
Greenbeard said:
They're trying to take it from tens of millions of Americans. (Texas v. Azar)

Very on-brand, as with the GOP members of the House virulently opposing helping people get coverage or protecting people with pre-existing conditions last night.
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I'm sure you take that story was gospel. This is nothing more than Dems trying to save Obamacare; a healthcare insurance plan that NEVER kept its promise of inexpensive insurance. It was a total flop, and everyone knows it.
 
Greenbeard said:
"The process" (multi-day committee markups) started several weeks ago and culminated in floor debate yesterday.

Markup of H.R. 1644, H.R. 1781, H.R. 938, H.R. 1520, H.R. 1503, H.R. 1499, H.R. 965, H.R. 1385, H.R. 1386, H.R. 987, H.R. 1010, H.R. 986, H.R. 1425, H.R. 9, Full Committee (April 3-4, 2019)

And no, it's not horrible policy. It's good policy. The GOP just finds helping people get coverage extremely offensive, it seems.
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As you demonstrate with this post, it's not about helping people or creating good policy, but about scoring political points. If this was a serious bill it wouldn't have been completed in a few weeks.
 
MTAtech said:
[FONT="][FONT="]It’s a viable bill, duly passed by the House, who Republicans charge ‘is only interested in stopping Trump.’ The bill makes sense and helps Americans. There is no rational reason Republican Senators, who care about their constituents, as opposed to their donors, should reject it. [/FONT][/FONT]
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Nope. It's DOA - which is why they spent so little time on it, and made no attempt to get bipartisan support.
 
“Unless we put medical freedom into the Constitution, the time will come
when medicine will organize into an undercover dictatorship to restrict
the art of healing to one class of Men and deny equal privileges to
others; the Constitution of the Republic should make a Special
privilege for medical freedoms as well as religious freedom.” -Benjamin Rush
 
dcsports said:
As you demonstrate with this post, it's not about helping people or creating good policy, but about scoring political points. If this was a serious bill it wouldn't have been completed in a few weeks.
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Why not? Hearings in Feb and March, markups in April, six weeks for members to review, floor debate and amendments/votes in May. Regular order all the way. This isn’t rocket science. And it had the votes.
 
Master Debator said:
That's revisionist bull****. In a effort of misguided bipartisanship Obama let Republicans help craft the bill and then zero Republicans ended up voting for it. That said it was not a great bill but still a whole lot better than what existed before.
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lol -- now that's some revisionist nonsense.

Again, a lot of the bill had strong bipartisan support, and could have made things better. Then, democrats went off track with attempts to expand coverage, and never even tried to address cost. We're not better off than before - we missed an opportunity, and have to fix the mess before we can move forward.
 
Greenbeard said:
Why not? Hearings in Feb and March, markups in April, six weeks for members to review, floor debate and amendments/votes in May. Regular order all the way. This isn’t rocket science. And it had the votes.
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It will never get past the senate or president. No attempt to reach across the isle. No real attempt to fix the underlying issues with the ACA.
 
ocean515 said:
Of course you completely miss the point.

I didn't think it was so complex that it was possible to do so.
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you forget being obtuse is their greatest weapon.
i agree the leftist in the house could have had a solid bill that would have
gathered a lot of support and not only signed a bill to help with prescription drugs but
give a lot of people help and is on the same line with what Trump has already signed.

instead of passing a bill that could have helped people they chose to play politics and screw people over
that could have used the help in the bill.

it is sad that this is nothing more than a political stunt. people need to see it for what it is and should be outraged
that our government is acting this way.

this is what will cause the fall of our democracy. i think it is time to implement parts of the declaration and declare this congress
100% corrupted. remove all of them from office and hold a national election to elect new people.

we seriously need term limits for congress. it should not be a life time appointment.
6 terms for the house and 4 terms for the senate.

after that your service to our country is done. go do something productive.
 
Parrish said:
“Unless we put medical freedom into the Constitution, the time will come
when medicine will organize into an undercover dictatorship to restrict
the art of healing to one class of Men and deny equal privileges to
others; the Constitution of the Republic should make a Special
privilege for medical freedoms as well as religious freedom.” -Benjamin Rush
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yes government has turned healthcare exactly into that.

if we truly had free markets in healthcare our healthcare costs would drop like a rock.
 
dcsports said:
It will never get past the senate or president. No attempt to reach across the isle. No real attempt to fix the underlying issues with the ACA.
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Improving the ACA is separate legislation the GOP also won’t support. This bill is simply about lowering drug costs, helping people find coverage, and protecting people with preexisting conditions. Things, unfortunately, we know the GOP doesn’t support.
 
Greenbeard said:
Improving the ACA is separate legislation the GOP also won’t support. This bill is simply about lowering drug costs, helping people find coverage, and protecting people with preexisting conditions. Things, unfortunately, we know the GOP doesn’t support.
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Those are worthy goals. Why do you suppose democrats don't want to work with Republicans to find issues to do that?
 
Obscurity said:
You lot are on record voting against healthcare for the people.
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Nonsense.

Neither I nor anyone I know has "voted against healthcare for the people".
 
dcsports said:
Those are worthy goals. Why do you suppose democrats don't want to work with Republicans to find issues to do that?
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As long as the GOP opposes protecting folks with pre-existing conditions that will be tough. There’s not much middle ground with their nihilistic “burn the entire health system down” position. They couldn’t even support the inoffensive, banal legislation this thread is about. This is the easy stuff, the low-hanging fruit.
 
Mycroft said:
Nonsense.

Neither I nor anyone I know has "voted against healthcare for the people".
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The GOP has left a trail of dozens of recorded roll call votes in their wake. Their objectives are all out in the open.
 
Mycroft said:
Nonsense.

Neither I nor anyone I know has "voted against healthcare for the people".
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Sure you have. You voted for Trump, did you not?
 
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