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Maine Senate moves to award electoral votes to popular vote winner

Tangmo said:
You can't reverse the tables which is the central tactic on the armband right during the present time and going into the campaign. You are outside of your base here which means nobody believes you.
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SStephen Miller — American Nazi — and Brad Parscale
 
prometeus said:
[h=1]Maine Senate moves to award electoral votes to popular vote winner


Maine Senate moves to award electoral votes to popular vote winner[/h]AUGUSTA, Maine —Maine's Senate has approved a plan to allocate the state's four electoral votes to the presidential candidate who wins the popular vote, instead of the candidate who wins the Electoral College.


An interesting approach the the real issue.
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States can't award electoral votes. States can only choose electors. An elector elects. That's what they do.
 
Beowulf said:
States can't award electoral votes. States can only choose electors. An elector elects. That's what they do.
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Each political party chooses its own electors who vote for the candidate for Potus who wins the popular vote of the state, each state. A so-called "faithless elector" who doesn't vote the party's candidate when he's won the popular vote of the state is a rare bird indeed.

The current movement underway to have electors in the participating states express the aggregate national popular vote will be the exclusive domain of the state to determine. Active loyalist members of the political parties may or may not be eligible to be considered by the state as electors. You'd need to explore this more before attempting simple declarative pronouncements about it then presuming to move on to your next flash.
 
Tangmo said:
Each political party chooses its own electors
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"2: Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress: but no Senator or Representative, or Person holding an Office of Trust or Profit under the United States, shall be appointed an Elector."[...][/quote]

You see, the states, not any clubs, choose the electors.

who vote for the candidate for Potus who wins the popular vote of the state, each state. A so-called "faithless elector" who doesn't vote the party's candidate when he's won the popular vote of the state is a rare bird indeed.

The current movement underway to have electors in the participating states express the aggregate national popular vote will be the exclusive domain of the state to determine. Active loyalist members of the political parties may or may not be eligible to be considered by the state as electors. You'd need to explore this more before attempting simple declarative pronouncements about it then presuming to move on to your next flash.
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The job of an elector is to elect, right? To choose? That's what electors are supposed to do, per the constitution.
 
Linc said:
SStephen Miller — American Nazi — and Brad Parscale
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Donald Trump and His Rowers.

I LMAO watching 'em in their present new tactic of saying they are the patriots while we over here are the America haters who serve Putin both consciously and willingly. The Armband Right Putin-Trump Base are so far out of it they believe they can pull off this blatant absurdity too.

I think of Trumpolini actually. Still however Trump is indeed surrounded by 'em. His Nuremberg Political Rallies are amazing stuff right here in the USA. Right under our noses. Trump is a firm believer that when it does it publicly then it's no problem whatever it may be. Trump and His Troopers are like a singing telegram. It's impossible for 'em to fool anybody except themselves.
 
Beowulf said:
"2: Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress: but no Senator or Representative, or Person holding an Office of Trust or Profit under the United States, shall be appointed an Elector."[...]

You see, the states, not any clubs, choose the electors.



The job of an elector is to elect, right? To choose? That's what electors are supposed to do, per the constitution.
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Your quote was screwed up so I had to straighten out the formatting.


As to your posts let me spell it out thx.

The state appoints electors.

Names submitted by the political parties respectively. It is this last aspect that you ignore of the state appointing its electors.

My post notes that under the new scheme being discussed the political parties may be removed from the selection process and procedures established by the state in continuing to choose electors. May or may not be removed. These are a couple of the aspects of the state choosing its electors that I put to you that you had ignored. Or were unaware of.
 
Tangmo said:
Your quote was screwed up so I had to straighten out the formatting.


As to your posts let me spell it out thx.

The state appoints electors.

Names submitted by the political parties respectively. It is this last aspect that you ignore of the state appointing its electors.

My post notes that under the new scheme being discussed the political parties may be removed from the selection process and procedures established by the state in continuing to choose electors. May or may not be removed. These are a couple of the aspects of the state choosing its electors that I put to you that you had ignored. Or were unaware of.
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And each one of those electors has the constitutional authority to elect the person they choose to be president. An electors job is to elect.
 
Tangmo said:
I'm not thinking old East Germany, you are. Conversely, I am thinking about the Constitution while you are not and haven't ever though of it except to destroy it.
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Yes, you guys remind me of the old GDR, where you are heading. Oh, sure you are the one thinking of the Constitution, not me! LOL! That's a good one!
Well, I just want government restrained, our personal liberties and freedoms protected, the courts to obey the Constitution, etc... You know, crazy stuff like that.

So, you want a coup against a duly elected President. You want Congress to be able to sift through to Executive branch, without restriction, and all that after a 2 year SC groundless investigation. And in this thread, the EC destroyed by circumventing the electoral process in... wait for it... the Constitution! You know, the document you are "protecting". LOL!
You're all about rightwing armband politics and I haven't any time for that thx anyway. I reiterate you've become what we once fought against, first in the Civil War then in WW II. It is for certain Trump will not exit the presidency without a push and a shove and a swift kick. This is true irrespective of which year we're talking about. And you guys will be in the trenches with him. Nothing about it will be pretty.
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Now, I guess you are talking about the collective "you", since you know nothing about me as evidenced by what you follow with, true ignorance.

God only knows what you are referring to with the Civil War and WWII.

But, then you say it is certain that Trump will not exit the Presidency? I would think that would be a huge story, especially on the left wing outlets. Where are you sourcing this from? You better let MSNBC and CNN know. Can't believe they missed that one!
 
Anthony60 said:
Yes, you guys remind me of the old GDR, where you are heading. Oh, sure you are the one thinking of the Constitution, not me! LOL! That's a good one!
Well, I just want government restrained, our personal liberties and freedoms protected, the courts to obey the Constitution, etc... You know, crazy stuff like that.

So, you want a coup against a duly elected President. You want Congress to be able to sift through to Executive branch, without restriction, and all that after a 2 year SC groundless investigation. And in this thread, the EC destroyed by circumventing the electoral process in... wait for it... the Constitution! You know, the document you are "protecting". LOL!
Now, I guess you are talking about the collective "you", since you know nothing about me as evidenced by what you follow with, true ignorance.

God only knows what you are referring to with the Civil War and WWII.

But, then you say it is certain that Trump will not exit the Presidency? I would think that would be a huge story, especially on the left wing outlets. Where are you sourcing this from? You better let MSNBC and CNN know. Can't believe they missed that one!
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I said it's getting hard to argue against a coup, I didn't say I wanted a coup at this time or before much longer. Nor did I say a coup was either in the offing or desired. You're also working overtime trying to make me your minder of MSNBC and CNN neither of which need you or I to advise 'em, lead 'em, direct 'em.

While we're at it you'd need to know the armed forces oath is to the Constitution and not to any one or single person or to any person period. Washington successfully proposed the oath at the Constitutional Convention over which he presided. So the oath was established as the first law Congress enacted. The Founders accepted that the oath gave the military commanders their course of action should a tyrant ruler ever seize power. The Founders established that the armed forces oath is to Constitution and to "We the People" who established it as the law of the land for us to live by.

You need to know the military oath to the Constitution is to the three branches of the government, their being separate and coequal, to the system of checks and balances, to include the method of selecting the Potus and its processes, procedures, practices to include the specifics of the succession from one Potus to the next Potus. The First Amendment is btw the First One. So given the Putin-Trump Rowers haven't any restraints dissembling the Constitution it's fair to say they are proceeding at their own risk.

When we see what Putin-Trump and Rowers are doing to the Constitution we have to think of an action of state of some sort that is American in its nature. That is, Constitutional as Washington conceived of it. The only preventative would be Trump relinquishing the presidency after a free and fair legit election that he'd lose. Yet we know chances of Trump leaving office voluntarily or peacefully irrespective of the year are slim and none and Slim already left town.

We're also wondering whether we'll ever again see a free and fair legit election of Potus while Conservatives/ Republicans continue to carry Putin's water for him. Which brings us to a second national reconstruction under what's left of the Constitution which itself would need to be reconstructed...a second national reconstruction being another topic entirely. It's not as if someone just thought of it today either.
 
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Trump said:
long live the Electoral College...never gonna go away..ever
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EC is the ultimate and slavery driven Rube Goldberg invention thrown into the elections of Potus. It's become the way Putin Conservatives and Trump Republicans can overcome the popular vote consistently and predictably. Back in 1969 however the House voted to amend the Constitution to abolish the EC while the Senate never held a vote on it.

Two Potus elections --1800 and 1824 -- had to be decided in the House. Five times a candidate has won the popular vote and lost the election.
Andrew Jackson in 1824 to John Quincy Adams;
Samuel Tilden in 1876 to Rutherfraud B. Hayes;
Grover Cleveland in 1888 to Benjamin Harrison;
Al Gore in 2000 to George W. Bush;
Hillary Clinton in 2016 to Donald J. Trump.

In 6 of the past 7 elections of Potus the Republicans have lost the popular vote. Yet twice they got their guy into the White House -- GW Bush and DJ Trump. Chad and Fad. Bill Clinton in 1992 was elected Potus with only 43% of the popular vote which is how dismal the popular vote has become for Republicans -- GHW Bush lost reelection with only 37% of the PV.

We see how in the past couple of years the ECV has become central to the Putin-Trump-Rowers war on democracy and the Constitution. Everyone knows btw we have a republic. What no one knows is how long we can keep democracy and the Constitutional order in it. The Putin-Trump Rowers have become what we fought against which means they want USA to be more like Putin's Russia than the other way around. All they need to get their anti Constitution way is for good men to do nothing. Beginning Impeachment will advance the public opinion groundwork across the land for the good men to conduct a Constitutionally decisive action of state and government.
 
3leftsdoo said:
Yes.

It's illiberals who seem to be in constant attack mode on that document. :(
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We see how one's conscious awareness and basic understanding of reality can fail him. Totally. And repeatedly besides. There's no other explanation of it unless we want to say it's deliberate and willful.




Integrityrespec said:
The left is just reacting to the "sure thing" they had with Hillary that she managed to loose. The idea of the electoral college is to make sure that all states are represented at the ballot box and not for the largest states to totally take control of the election.
When you cannot win according to the rules, change the rules.
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Wrong. The idea of the EC since the year 2000 is to assure as much as possible the Republican for Potus overcomes the popular vote to win anyway. Then to try to put the blame on California. You guys are so serious about this you're funny.




Anthony60 said:
So, you think that States effectively trying to invalidate the EC, and trying to have the President elected by a popular vote is not circumventing that process? Thanks for that opinion.
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You need to get used to the words enshrined in the Constitution that it's up to the states. Each state runs its own election for every office on the ballot, each time, every time and indefinitely. If you don't like it then amend the Constitution rather than put on sheep's clothing while trying to shred it.
 
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