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Alabama Senate approves near-total ban on abortion; sends bill to the governor

Roe V. Wade didn't decide the reasons for having abortions. Roe V.Wade just made abortions legal.

The reasons are irrelevant. It's only folks like you who are obsessed with enforcing your own version of morality on others that seem hung up on this issue.

Tell me, how many more billions of tax payer money are you ok with the religious right wasting on this vapid crusade, through the incessant lawsuits?
 
Roe V. Wade didn't decide the reasons for having abortions. Roe V.Wade just made abortions legal.

Actually no reason is ever required for an abortion. I dont to want to be pregnant today works just fine
 
Dude I'm with you. No medical procedures for people who eat McDonald's hamburgers.

Merica!

Call it preventive medicine. I know ACA is full speed ahead with that kind of medicine.
 
The reasons are irrelevant. It's only folks like you who are obsessed with enforcing your own version of morality on others that seem hung up on this issue.

Tell me, how many more billions of tax payer money are you ok with the religious right wasting on this vapid crusade, through the incessant lawsuits?

**Snore...ignore.
 
I'm tempted to put you on ignore. At least, post something of substance not vitriol.

Go on, put me on ignore. Save me the brain cells in having to refute your ceaseless babble.

As with those who fight democrats when they try to end the 2nd amendment, I treat anti-choice, pro birth folks with the same derision.

I love it how upset people get about "left" people defending rights with derision.

You've earned it.
 
Call it preventive medicine. I know ACA is full speed ahead with that kind of medicine.

Just make sure you personally never do anything that could lead to a medical procedure. Ever. Lol
 
According to Alabama, none. You have no rights over your own body, period.

Indeed. I was just curious to know how obtuse the poster's views are in that regard. If we applied that same standard for other medical procedures, there would be a lot of folks who would be denied access because "they did it to themselves". That only makes sense if you hold ideology higher than the reality right in front of you. Banning abortions won't stop them; it will just drive it underground and make them less safe. I suppose using that poster's logic the lives of those women don't matter because they did it to themselves, but it again exposes the gap in a logic which supports "life" only when it's convenient to a particularly ideology.
 
Just make sure you personally never do anything that could lead to a medical procedure. Ever. Lol

That's how ACA plans to keep medical costs down (EDIT: preventative medicine). That and not performing medical procedures unless absolutely necessary...So, welcome to ACA ...and Medicare for all.
 
That's how ACA plans to keep medical costs down (EDIT: preventative medicine). That and not performing medical procedures unless absolutely necessary...So, welcome to ACA ...and Medicare for all.

Abortion....absolutely necessary.

Problem solved!
 
Put abortion on the ACA or Medicare for all plan. Problem solved!

Great. Then it will not only be widely available....it will be covered under government insurance!
 
Great. Then it will not only be widely available....it will be covered under government insurance!

But not performed unless absolutely necessary...and preventative medicine to pregnancy will be strongly stressed. Duh, figure it out, just once.
 
That's how ACA plans to keep medical costs down (EDIT: preventative medicine). That and not performing medical procedures unless absolutely necessary...So, welcome to ACA ...and Medicare for all.

You want medical procedures covered if they are not necessary? Seem to be missing your logic here, with current Medicare if a procedure is necessary they cover it.
 
But not performed unless absolutely necessary...and preventative medicine to pregnancy will be strongly stressed. Duh, figure it out, just once.

Abortion is absolutely necessary if you need one
 
The root of this withering tree that is infringing on constitutional rights sprouted from catholocism, spread into evangelism, and has now co-opted the entirety of the conservative republican party.

Do you seriously think the republicans give a **** about abortion? The sole thing they're in this for is donation money.

No. you cannot deny that the religious influence on the pro birth movement, from its genesis to its current hideous representation, is inherently a religious interest.

It's all about control, not life. And I'm ashamed you call yourself a liberal. A liberal is for freedom of individual rights, not exertion of the state's authoritarian powers over the people.

You fail to recognize that there is more than one tree. There’s a whole forest of ideas. A liberal is not required to believe that individual rights are without consequence and you are not the arbiter of what it means to be liberal. This is about science and about the data we have to make informed decisions. We have a lot of data about the reasons and frequency women seek an abortion. We know from this data that the vast majority of abortions in practice are effectively birth control and that a significant percentage of these women do seek multiple abortions.

I don’t believe that it is easy or that women necessarily want this. I know they don’t because when alternatives such as contraception are freely available and easily accessible women use it and abortion rates drop significantly. The problem is that more effective and reversible preventative alternatives are not as accessible as contraceptives and certainly not as abortion. So when we talk about making choices about unwanted pregnancy - is it really a choice when the only easily accessible option to women is abortion? While 100% effective preventative procedures are not? In this way, liberals are just as liable for keeping us in the Stone Age as much as religious conservatives.

It is up for debate. It’s up for debate because this isn’t just about bodily autonomy that is rather selective in legal practice. It’s about an ideology that demands maintaining a status quo that truth be told nobody finds particularly palatable no matter how passionately they argue in its favor. There is a better way and one which I believe women would choose if given the opportunity. And if the choice to bring a child into the world belongs solely to women then women are wholly and singularly accountable for what follows. That is the consequence of choice.
 
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You fail to recognize that there is more than one tree. There’s a whole forest of ideas. A liberal is not required to believe that individual rights are without consequence and you are not the arbiter of what it means to be liberal. This is about science and about the data we have to make informed decisions. We have a lot of data about the reasons and frequency women seek an abortion. We know from this data that the vast majority of abortions in practice are effectively birth control and that a significant percentage of these women do seek multiple abortions.

I don’t believe that it is easy or that women necessarily want this. I know they don’t because when alternatives such as contraception are freely available and easily accessible women use it and abortion rates drop significantly. The problem is that more effective and reversible preventative alternatives are not as accessible as contraceptives and certainly not as abortion. So when we talk about making choices about unwanted pregnancy - is it really a choice when the only easily accessible option to women is abortion? While 100% effective preventative procedures are not? In this way, liberals are just as liable for keeping us in the Stone Age as much as religious conservatives.

It is up for debate. It’s up for debate because this isn’t just about bodily autonomy that is rather selective in legal practice. It’s about an ideology that demands maintaining a status quo that truth be told nobody finds particularly palatable no matter how passionately they argue in its favor. There is a better way and one which I believe women would choose if given the opportunity. And if the choice to bring a child into the world belongs solely to women then women are wholly and singularly accountable for what follows. That is the consequence of choice.

But it is ultimately the woman’s choice about whether she gets an abortion , no one else’s.
 
Estimated 35,000 American deaths per year because they have no access to healthcare.

Party of life my ****ing ass.

That doesn't change anything. It's just a stat. No evidence at all the iron fisted government tyrannical healthcare would change that. It would likely go up.
 
You fail to recognize that there is more than one tree. There’s a whole forest of ideas. A liberal is not required to believe that individual rights are without consequence and you are not the arbiter of what it means to be liberal. This is about science and about the data we have to make informed decisions. We have a lot of data about the reasons and frequency women seek an abortion. We know from this data that the vast majority of abortions in practice are effectively birth control and that a significant percentage of these women do seek multiple abortions.

I don’t believe that it is easy or that women necessarily want this. I know they don’t because when alternatives such as contraception are freely available and easily accessible women use it and abortion rates drop significantly. The problem is that more effective and reversible preventative alternatives are not as accessible as contraceptives and certainly not as abortion. So when we talk about making choices about unwanted pregnancy - is it really a choice when the only easily accessible option to women is abortion? While 100% effective preventative procedures are not? In this way, liberals are just as liable for keeping us in the Stone Age as much as religious conservatives.

It is up for debate. It’s up for debate because this isn’t just about bodily autonomy that is rather selective in legal practice. It’s about an ideology that demands maintaining a status quo that truth be told nobody finds particularly palatable no matter how passionately they argue in its favor. There is a better way and one which I believe women would choose if given the opportunity. And if the choice to bring a child into the world belongs solely to women then women are wholly and singularly accountable for what follows. That is the consequence of choice.

It's not up for debate. Unless you believe in big government control, that is.

I am not for that. It seems you are.

Moreover, it's none of youre business why a woman seeks an abortion.

Let me ask you this. Why is it your business what a woman does with her right to abort?
 
That doesn't change anything. It's just a stat. No evidence at all the iron fisted government tyrannical healthcare would change that. It would likely go up.

Doubtful, but you're welcome to believe what you want!
 
The **** are you talking about? This is about life, not wages.

Stop slewing up this convo with your deflectionary BS.

Very rude uncivil behavior.
 
The fact we're having this debate shows the Pro Choice side is on the defense.
 
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