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Alabama Senate approves near-total ban on abortion; sends bill to the governor

I believe abortion yes/no should be up to each individual state. Some states allow executions, others don't.
Except that Roe rightly declared abortion to be a matter of personal freedom based upon privacy, which makes it an inalienable right. States used to be able to decide for themselves whether a white person could marry a black person. In Loving v Virginia, 1967, the scotus decided that was an infringement on personal rights. Homosexual acts used to be lest to the states too but were declared unconstitutional on privacy grounds too.

Ever notice how conservatives are pro-personal freedom, except when they want to ban something they don’t like?
 
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Couldn't be happier. I think very soon more of these kind of bills, like Alabama's and Ohio's, will be signed, and there will be a major showdown of Roe v. Wade. The Left has already proven they have no problem with killing babies. The New York Congress and it's governor, Andrew Cuomo, passed and signed a bill which allows the death of a child right before they're born. Governor Ralph Northam of Virginia and his allies had a bill (which had failed to pass in their state Congress) that would allow the death of a child both right before or after they're born. Recently, John Rogers, state representative of Alabama, said (in his own words) "Some kids are unwanted, so you kill them now or you kill them later. You bring them in the world unwanted, unloved, you send them to the electric chair. So, you kill them now, or you kill them later." Funny coming from a man who happens to be black because the founder of Planned Parenthood, Margaret Sanger, wanted to make black people extinct through abortion. Then you have the freaks who say to "shout your abortion" as if it's something to be proud of. This whole thing over abortion, though, brings up a more important issue, and John Rogers, in his statement, may have accidentally let it slip a little bit.

The issue: who gets to live and who dies, and who gets to decide that? We're not just talking babies, but ANYONE who is "unwanted" or "unloved." I have held the belief that babies were the easiest to go after because they are the weakest, but it goes further than that. The whole thing with Obamacare, and what Obama said when he was running for president, the plan was to decide if someone was worth saving because of an illness, especially when it came to the elderly. So you could call that an abortion of elderly people. When they talk about special needs people, those with conditions like downs syndrome and autism (which my youngest brother has), the Left talks about how they were mistakes and must be taken care of (exterminated) immediately because, according to them, they don't benefit society and they won't live good lives, which is total bull$h!t.Speaking of people who have illnesses and conditions, who are not elderly, babies, nor special needs, how about people with physical handicaps? People in wheelchairs, Lou Gehrig's disease, missing limbs, and other conditions of the same sort, no doubt the Left would throw them in their too, even though they have a will to live and work. Eventually, it would come down to people who the Left simply doesn't like and wants nothing to do with. Mainly, that's people that are on the Right of them, both Right wingers AND moderates.

So to answer that big question at the end, who gets to decide who lives and dies, the Left wants to do that and they want to do it through government. Many of them do not value the life of others. Those same people have been brainwashed into believing that it's okay to kill "undesirables." That kind of language has been used before, and not just from John Rogers. Hillary Clinton used the word "deplorables" when describing people who supported Trump. It's an arrogant and snobby attitude towards other they don't like nor wish for them to live. Bill Nye wants people thrown in prison for denying man-made climate change and states like California, which is ran by Leftists, criminalize people who use paper straws. Pretty soon, there will be Leftists posing as lawmakers making laws that may order executions of people that dare violate laws that are immoral and unconstitutional. I know it sounds a little outlandish, but the fact the Left is okay with executing babies right before and after they're born, it shouldn't be. That's why these anti-abortion bills are important because abortion opens a floodgate to the bigger picture. Thank God for Alabama and my home state of Ohio for taking a stand on this issue, and not giving in to the selfish desires of mothers who care only for themselves and the Left's blood lust for those they deem "unwanted" and "deplorable." Hopefully, other states will follow suit and get abortion outlawed nationwide.
You really need to stop getting your news from propaganda news sources.
 
For goodness' sake.

1. Much ado about nothing.

2. It will go to the Supremes.


3. The Supremes will strike it down.


4. The losers will be (a) the liberal media and (b) third-rate celebrities desperate to get their names in the news.
 
If you mean the Federalist Society-you are completely wrong. I know the founders of that society extremely well-and Christian extremism had no role given Calabresi, Keisler and Liberman were all from Jewish or (Calabresi) partially Jewish families. McIntosh was Presbyterian IIRC and Spencer Abraham I believe is Eastern Orthodox though he may be a Maronite

Okay, thank you for the correction. I'll just leave it at the Freedom Caucus then.
 
will get overturned *yawn* just like the last one did.
 
Brian Lyman, Montgomery Advertiser Published 10:08 p.m. ET May 14, 2019 | Updated 10:08 p.m. ET May 14, 2019

MONTGOMERY, Ala. The Alabama Senate on Tuesday passed a bill criminalizing abortion in nearly all cases, approving the most sweeping restrictions on the procedure in the United States and almost certainly guaranteeing a legal challenge.

The measure passed the Senate 25-6 after more than four hours of often emotional debate that at one point led to the introduction of spectators who had abortions after being raped. The chamber rejected putting exceptions in for rape and incest on a 21-11 vote.

The bill now goes to Gov. Kay Ivey, who has not indicated whether she would sign it.

Sponsored by Republican Rep. Terri Collins, the bill would make it a felony punishable by life or 10 to 99 years in prison to perform an abortion in the state of Alabama. Attempting to perform an abortion would be a felony, punishable by one to 10 years in prison.

Alabama abortion bill approved in state Senate; bill goes to governor

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This will certainly go to the Supreme Court. I will be interested in seeing how the largely Republican Supreme Court votes on this.

I do not believe that the leaders of the Republican Party really want the Roe vs Wade Supreme Court Decision of 1973 to be overturned. The Roe decision led to the creation of the religious right. This is a mass movement of largely lower middle class whites who rarely have much enthusiasm for Republican tax cuts for the rich. Most evangelical whites voted for Jimmy Carter in 1976. Because President Carter avoided the abortion issue, anti abortion evangelicals and Roman Catholics became disenchanted with him.

In 1979 Jerry Falwell formed the Moral Majority. This persuaded Evangelicals to abandon a sincere, born again Christian president to vote for a man who had signed a law legalizing abortion as governor of California, who had divorced his first wife, and who rarely attended church.

Since then the Republican Party has been dancing an awkward pirouette around the abortion issue. Every four years the Republican Party platform condemns abortion. Nevertheless, when Republican presidents have Republican Senates they somehow manage to avoid advancing justices to the Supreme Court who overturn the Roe decision when they have the opportunity to do so.

As long as abortion is off the table democratically, pro abortion people who vote Republican because of economic issues feel that it is safe for them to do so. Anti abortion people who lack enthusiasm for Republican economic policies vote Republican because for them social issues are more important than economic issues.

Donald Trump has promised Evangelicals that he will appoint anti abortion justices to the Supreme Court. Therefore most Evangelicals support Trump even though his piety is even more dubious than Reagan's.

Speaking for myself, I am in favor of legal abortion, but I dislike the Roe vs Wade decision. I think it was a flimsy piece of legal reasoning. I also believe that the Democrat Party will benefit if Roe is overturned.

first...not sure if the governor will sign

even if she does, i highly doubt the law will stand up to the scrutiny of SCOTUS

i know the left would love this as an issue..."see what the other side wants to do to your rights" type of thing

but Roe V Wade is the law....and it is federal law....and i dont see that changing EVER

i understand this is a hard topic for a lot of people....and i dont like abortion...never have, never will

but it isnt MY body, MY life, or MY choice to make....it is between a woman and her doctor....PERIOD

and my conservative friends will have to live with that issue....counsel the women, make sure they have support for either decision....but let them MAKE THE DECISION
 
Overturning Roe v Wade has always been the goal.



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It's the "death by one thousand cuts" strategy. I do think this will continue to gain traction in some of the other states which favor this kind of legislation, though I don't think this will stand in the SCOTUS.
 
first...not sure if the governor will sign

even if she does, i highly doubt the law will stand up to the scrutiny of SCOTUS

i know the left would love this as an issue..."see what the other side wants to do to your rights" type of thing

but Roe V Wade is the law....and it is federal law....and i dont see that changing EVER

i understand this is a hard topic for a lot of people....and i dont like abortion...never have, never will

but it isnt MY body, MY life, or MY choice to make....it is between a woman and her doctor....PERIOD

and my conservative friends will have to live with that issue....counsel the women, make sure they have support for either decision....but let them MAKE THE DECISION

I'm with you on this one. I understand the objections from religious groups, but in the end it should be between a woman and her doctor. I also look at this from a health perspective, and given the history of abortion in this country, I'd rather not go back to the days of women getting illegal abortions.
 
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The question of who gets to live and who gets to die was codified and carried out not so long ago by 'right-winged Christians'.

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Although I vote Democrat and despise President Trump I have always viewed the religious right with interest and a degree of sympathy. I was a card carrying member of both the Moral Majority and the Christian Coalition. I also contributed money to the Coral Ridge Hour.

The religious right, what a crock of crap. Anytime anyone uses their religion to try to deny another group of something because the religious people don't like it, that religious institution should lose their tax exemption. I have no problem with an individual of any faith as long as their faith doesn't hurt another. When that line is crossed, the religious institution has strayed from their teaching about god into politics. How people can claim to be good christians and spout the hatred they do is beyond me? It's ok to send an eighteen year old to a foreign land to be killed but not for a woman to have an abortion. How hypocritical. Care about the fetus, not care about the baby. That is the religious right in my opinion.
 
It's the "death by one thousand cuts" strategy. I do think this will continue to gain traction in some of the other states which favor this kind of legislation, though I don't think this will stand in the SCOTUS.

Voters need to stop voting for the legislators that pass thee bills.
 
If this does go to SCOTUS, as I suspect it will (and should), I don't think it will stand. I would never personally have an abortion, having had 2 very painful miscarriages, but it is a woman's right to have an abortion, and I think overturning Roe will also not bode well for the Republicans.
 
I wouldn't give them any ideas.

I am sure they already have those ideas and will act on them sooner or later. Funny how some Conservatives claim they want smaller government yet support the government interfering in people's private lives.
 
Voters need to stop voting for the legislators that pass thee bills.

That's the thing though, legislators often reflect the values of the majority; especially at the local level. It's not surprising that these kind of laws come up in states where a large percentage of the population is against abortion.
 
I am sure they already have those ideas and will act on them sooner or later. Funny how some Conservatives claim they want smaller government yet support the government interfering in people's private lives.

"Conservatives" (who by the way, we should start simply calling "Alt-Right Trump Devotees"), are lying when they say they want smaller government. They are also obsessed with sex. Gay sex, hetero sex that results in a pregnancy, and so on. It's creepy and I never really noticed until I rejected the party of Trump.

Stay the hell out of peoples' bedrooms and women's uteruses.
 
I am an Episcopalian. Episcopalians are reasonably forgiving of victimless sins. Nevertheless, a pedophile Episcopal priest will be quickly defrocked and reported to the police.
There is yet a history of child abuse even within your church, probably far less severe than the RCC. Everyone would quickly get rid of pedophiles now, its horrific PR, but to me what counts is the track record.

Episcopalians and Anglicans are usually much more tolerable than other denominations or sects.
 
"Conservatives" (who by the way, we should start simply calling "Alt-Right Trump Devotees"), are lying when they say they want smaller government. They are also obsessed with sex. Gay sex, hetero sex that results in a pregnancy, and so on. It's creepy and I never really noticed until I rejected the party of Trump.

Stay the hell out of peoples' bedrooms and women's uteruses.

I don't think that's accurate. Like any other group, there's a spectrum of differing views; some leaning more conservative/religious than others. There is something to be said about the hypocrisy of wanting selective smaller government (i.e. zero to no corporate regulation, but intrusion into personal lives) only in a form that's convenient to their particular views.
 
I don't think that's accurate. Like any other group, there's a spectrum of differing views; some leaning more conservative/religious than others. There is something to be said about the hypocrisy of wanting selective smaller government (i.e. zero to no corporate regulation, but intrusion into personal lives) only in a form that's convenient to their particular views.

I disagree. Anyone who does not fully embrace Trump is now labelled a RINO. Conservatives are not the conservatives of yesterday. Conservatives have now become fully the party of Trump. If you support Trump and his absurd bloated spending, you are not a conservative.
 
I disagree. Anyone who does not fully embrace Trump is now labelled a RINO. Conservatives are not the conservatives of yesterday. Conservatives have now become fully the party of Trump. If you support Trump and his absurd bloated spending, you are not a conservative.

We'll agree to disagree. I just don't think moderate conservatives have just disappeared; the issue is the vocal more conservative ones have taken control of the wheel. I'm not an advocate of treating groups as monoliths.
 
Can someone list the names of the women at the Alabama State Senate who voted for this? Lol.

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Can someone list the names of the women at the Alabama State Senate who voted for this? Lol.

Sent from the Oval Office using Putin's MacBook, and Barr's Wi-Fi password.

Looks like all of the Republicans voted to pass it, and they are all men (surprise surprise). There seem to be 3 females in the AL state Senate (surprise surprise) and 2 of them voted against it, and one abstained.

Alabama’s abortion ban: How Senators voted on rape, incest exceptions; final bill - al.com
 
You really need to stop getting your news from propaganda news sources.

And you, from yours. Either debate, or shut up.
 
The issue: who gets to live and who dies, and who gets to decide that? We're not just talking babies, but ANYONE who is "unwanted" or "unloved." I have held the belief that babies were the easiest to go after because they are the weakest, but it goes further than that. The whole thing with Obamacare, and what Obama said when he was running for president, the plan was to decide if someone was worth saving because of an illness, especially when it came to the elderly. So you could call that an abortion of elderly people. When they talk about special needs people, those with conditions like downs syndrome and autism (which my youngest brother has), the Left talks about how they were mistakes and must be taken care of (exterminated) immediately because, according to them, they don't benefit society and they won't live good lives, which is total bull$h!t.Speaking of people who have illnesses and conditions, who are not elderly, babies, nor special needs, how about people with physical handicaps? People in wheelchairs, Lou Gehrig's disease, missing limbs, and other conditions of the same sort, no doubt the Left would throw them in their too, even though they have a will to live and work. Eventually, it would come down to people who the Left simply doesn't like and wants nothing to do with. Mainly, that's people that are on the Right of them, both Right wingers AND moderates.

So to answer that big question at the end, who gets to decide who lives and dies, the Left wants to do that and they want to do it through government. Many of them do not value the life of others. Those same people have been brainwashed into believing that it's okay to kill "undesirables." That kind of language has been used before, and not just from John Rogers. Hillary Clinton used the word "deplorables" when describing people who supported Trump. It's an arrogant and snobby attitude towards other they don't like nor wish for them to live. Bill Nye wants people thrown in prison for denying man-made climate change and states like California, which is ran by Leftists, criminalize people who use paper straws. Pretty soon, there will be Leftists posing as lawmakers making laws that may order executions of people that dare violate laws that are immoral and unconstitutional. I know it sounds a little outlandish, but the fact the Left is okay with executing babies right before and after they're born, it shouldn't be. That's why these anti-abortion bills are important because abortion opens a floodgate to the bigger picture. Thank God for Alabama and my home state of Ohio for taking a stand on this issue, and not giving in to the selfish desires of mothers who care only for themselves and the Left's blood lust for those they deem "unwanted" and "deplorable." Hopefully, other states will follow suit and get abortion outlawed nationwide.

If "pro life" people were really in favor of pro life, they would support universal health care given free of charge to those too poor to pay for it. They rarely are, however. They oppose abortion because they want non marital sex to be punished with unwanted pregnancies.
 
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