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White House Reviews Military Plans Against Iran, in Echoes of Iraq War

Unless you miss the party that used to be the Republican Party, before Trump took it over and changed it for good.

The Republican Party has been a mess for some time; it's disaster area status is one reason Trump prevailed.

And Trump hasn't taken over anything; both corrupt parties do as the plutocracy dictates; twas ever thus.
 
Except it was Johnson (D) who started the war in Vietnam, and Nixon (R) who pulled the troops out, declared victory, and went home. It's not a partisan issue.
... He did not want another Korea, and remained determined that America would stay out of the French war in Vietnam. His solution: give France more money and weapons to fight the Communists so American soldiers would not have to do it. In a speech on August 4, 1953 in Seattle, he told his audience why he was so concerned with Indochina. “If Indochina goes, several things happen right away,” he claimed. India would be “outflanked;” “Burma would be in no position for defense,” and “how would the free world hold the rich empire of Indonesia? ... So you see,” he concluded, “somewhere along the line, this must be blocked and it must be blocked now, and that’s what we are trying to do.” ...
America's Vietnam | Miller Center

actually, it was Ike who got us into vietnam
when the french lost at dien bien phu there were two choices: 1. allow ho chi minh to prevail (as we promised he could due to his allied support against the japanese in WWII), or 2. replace french forces with our own
 
Complete nonsense on the tribe stuff; I despise both major criminal parties.

The idea that Trump voters defend him no matter what is a bizarre, unprovable, irrational iteration of tribal propaganda.

you despise them both so much you defend one of them
that crap won't flush
 
Ours is a country birthed in multiple genocides, built by slavery, and knee deep in the world's blood.

Our emergence as globally dominant terrorists began with the spectacularly horrendous war crimes at Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

We haven't looked back since.

most countries have skeletons in there closet, Scotland as part of the British Empire committed horrendous crimes ... crimes we can never atone for, acts of genocide far greater than that of the Holocaust which probably killed more than 10 million peoples from Gypsies, Jews, handicapped people, political prisoners, dissenters etc .... Britain did far worse than that in India, Ireland and the Highlands of Scotland .... only when we leave the UK can we face up to the horrors/crimes we participated in after a handful of men decided against the wishes of the people to go into this evil union that was the British empire
 
Some have more skeletons than others.

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People need to ask themselves a question.... Are you willing to send or let go your son's and daughter, your grand-son and grand-daughter to another "Right Wing Republican Administration's" manufactured war?

We can't fix our infrastructure, we can't provide health care for Americans, and Trump is and will do anything to "deflect attention from the Mueller Report" and try and set a stage to build a wall against the Mueller Testimony, and then there's his son, having to go before congress, and likely if they do things right, his daughter too !!!!

Yet, we spend $billion's on this "manufactured diversion".... all that equipment and ships is not moving for free!!! We are $22 Trillion in Debt, with a $Trillion in deficit, and can't get any Industrial Manufacturing Built that can suit the needs of 50 States, and we see a total collapse of any kind of understanding in and among congressional parties. Yet... we let the Administration lead us into "another mess"... while still around 18 yrs later we are still in Afghanistan and our acts led to the fully devastation's in the Middle East.... while we have ongoing conflict with Mexico and Central America.

People better pay attention!!!!! We don't see Germany, Canada, France, Spain, Mexico, Central American Nations, Australia, or the Nordic Regional Nations and other countries running around "threatening everyone", but we certainly see it from this "Right Wing American Administration" doing exactly that !!!!

This Bully Act is and should be over!!!!! No one created America's Economic Woes except the long history of ""American White Nationalist of Wealthy White Male Dominance Pursuit's... they exported industry thinking they had found new slaves on foreign soil, and proceeded to transfer by export the full of American Industry, they have been pushing propaganda against any nation that does not pander and submit to the agenda of the wealthy of this land and their incessant greed chasing. We see clearly with this Administration, they play heavily on the generalized ignorance that fills the ranks of the American population.... using race bias and political divisiveness based within race divisions of party ideology, which we've seen grow since the days of Nixon, and began to shape itself into that madness since the days that LBJ passed Civil Rights and at the point and at the time of the 1965 Immigration Act... We saw when Obama was President, these same "white nationalist" chanting "We want our country back", as if it belongs to white people.

It's time Americans face the truths that are the root of all this madness, how it came to be, and the greed and malice that has led this nation to the current conditions and status of its own 'desperation s", which resulted to inflict the madness of Trump and Republican upon and against the nation. Now, they continue their bully stomping "threats at every nation it can"... We've seen Trump damage relations with every Allied Nation we have, attacked NATO, Pandered to Putin and created a global tonality of contempt... while nation look at America as the Has Been, who is trying to bully its way to pretend it is the same nation it was economically post World War II... and that simply is not to be, nor will it ever be again.

People better pay attention!!!!! We don't see Germany, Canada, France, Spain, Mexico, Central American Nations, Australia, or the Nordic Regional Nations and other countries running around "threatening everyone", but we certainly see it from this "Right Wing American Administration" doing exactly that !!!!

The vile acts and mentality that led us to Destroy Iraq should not be replayed in Iran....
 
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Slap stick one liner's is not going to address any of the reality ... only play itself off as Pun's...for those seeking entertainment and drama spins. It's time for "thinking minds to speak up and stand up".... and get over the "short attention span game of thinking one is superior to the point it can use one liner puns, as a diversion to avoid to deal with broad based realism !!! when such types who play the "one liner" pun game, and diversion spins based on fiction and drama, who are the same that fail to read, fail to study recent history as well as fail to study generational history, fail to pay attention the the history of politics and they are themselves [unaware of their own shallow minded madness/U] that has led to this political madness, and void of knowing enough about historical greed to pay attention to how citizens have been fleeced and the industry exported right from under their eyes, because their minds were blinded by bias and bigotry.
Such blindness led us to fall for the false propaganda that embroiled us in Iraq and people are blind minded again to fall of it all over with Iran.

The world is watching the incessant cycle of America's infections with a segment of the citizens being gullible to any drama spins and led like sheep by the "greed based system of bigots and bias promoters.

Other Nations WILL NOT be sucked into another American Created War Debacle...
 
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Everyone YOU SEE on the Media is "of a level of wealth".... and they will spin any drama to keep that seat before the camera and microphone that generates their wealth...

(( Go beyond the spin of the Media, and actually read, learn and pay attention to "details' and "get the actual facts"... not the commercial advertisement profits that far too many in the media pursue, or the overly wealthy who sit behind the microphone, because it generates $10-$20- $30 million a year for themselves as individual "Talking Heads" , who's main job is to keep contention and conflicts high and wide spread. Drama is their path to wealth and they will dramatize anything with madness for the sake of pursuit of that wealth, and it benefits nothing for the average American citizen except mental instability and conscience distortions. ))
 
America's Vietnam | Miller Center

actually, it was Ike who got us into vietnam
when the french lost at dien bien phu there were two choices: 1. allow ho chi minh to prevail (as we promised he could due to his allied support against the japanese in WWII), or 2. replace french forces with our own

I wondered if anyone would point that out. Yes, it was Ike who got us started in Vietnam by continuing France's war against Vietnamese independence. Had we stayed out and let them have the independence they had already won, both nations would have been better off.

It was Johnson who stepped up the troop strength to half a million men without a declaration of war against that nation, which is why I blamed him for having started the war.
 
This claim is baseless and irrational, and thus ironic.

Trump said it best himself: "I could go out on Fifth Avenue and shoot someone without losing any votes."

His base will support anything he says or does.
 
The Republican Party has been a mess for some time; it's disaster area status is one reason Trump prevailed.

And Trump hasn't taken over anything; both corrupt parties do as the plutocracy dictates; twas ever thus.

Trump, lifelong Democrat and Clinton supporter, managed to make himself over into the sort of Republican that guys like Alex Jones and Rush Limbaugh tout as "conservatives" and managed to con enough Republicans to vote for him to actually win the presidency. The Republican Party will never be the same after that.
 
David From, an apologetic Iraq war supporter describes the predicament very well:

The Iraq War Was a Failure—War With Iran Would Be Worse - The Atlantic

"The Iraq War of 2003 was undone by blithe assumptions, cultural ignorance, and careless planning. But compared with the accelerating drive to confront Iran, the Iraq War looks like a masterpiece of meticulous preparation.

The project of a war with Iran is so crazy, it remains incredible that Donald Trump’s administration could truly be premeditating it. But on the off, off chance that it is, here’s a word of caution from a veteran of the George W. Bush administration: Don’t do it."....

The idea of repeating such a war, only on a much bigger scale, without allies, without justification, and without any plan at all for what comes next staggers and terrifies the imagination.

The Trump administration is very probably bluffing in its current menaces to Iran. President Trump dislikes foreign military interventions and has tried to withdraw American forces from Syria and Afghanistan. It seems unlikely that he would willingly launch a major war against a near-nuclear state of more than 80 million people. But bluffs do get called—and then the bluffer must rapidly make some hasty calculations. Wars of words can escalate into real wars, real fast."
 
Yes, I am 100% ok with what President Trump is doing in regards to Iran.
 
Slap stick one liner's is not going to address any of the reality ... only play itself off as Pun's...for those seeking entertainment and drama spins. It's time for "thinking minds to speak up and stand up".... and get over the "short attention span game of thinking one is superior to the point it can use one liner puns, as a diversion to avoid to deal with broad based realism !!! when such types who play the "one liner" pun game, and diversion spins based on fiction and drama, who are the same that fail to read, fail to study recent history as well as fail to study generational history, fail to pay attention the the history of politics and they are themselves [unaware of their own shallow minded madness/U] that has led to this political madness, and void of knowing enough about historical greed to pay attention to how citizens have been fleeced and the industry exported right from under their eyes, because their minds were blinded by bias and bigotry.
Such blindness led us to fall for the false propaganda that embroiled us in Iraq and people are blind minded again to fall of it all over with Iran.

The world is watching the incessant cycle of America's infections with a segment of the citizens being gullible to any drama spins and led like sheep by the "greed based system of bigots and bias promoters.

Other Nations WILL NOT be sucked into another American Created War Debacle...


Theresa May needs something to relieve the ongoing Brexit horror show. She might recall that Thatcher was on the way out until she had a war in the Falklands.
 
Since the Democratic Party is in alliance with Iran, China, Russia and N. Korea I expect many Democrats on the forum to rush to Iran's defense.

While Democrats are prohibited from joining ISIS, no American law I am aware of prevents any Democrats from joining the Iranian military. However, any Democrat acting on behalf of or promoting the interests of Iran commits a criminal offense unless they formally register as a lobbyist for a foreign power. Quite a few Democrats and progressives on this forum should do so.
 
America's Vietnam | Miller Center

actually, it was Ike who got us into vietnam
when the french lost at dien bien phu there were two choices: 1. allow ho chi minh to prevail (as we promised he could due to his allied support against the japanese in WWII), or 2. replace french forces with our own

Eisenhower did not get us into Vietnam. Your logic is absurd.

Democrat LBJ promised in his election he absolutely would not get the USA into Vietnam, calling his Republican opponent a war monger. After the election, that Democrat president followed the Democratic Party norm of pathological lying and sent hundreds of thousands of Americans to fight in Vietnam. The Vietnam war is 100% a war the Democratic Party is responsible for. It also was a war started on a deliberate lie, just like a Democrat president lied to get us into WW1.
 
He's repeatedly made it clear. He does not WANT to do this. Technically. Correct, and tragically so. :(

Made it clear? pff, the man lies every time he opens his mouth. All he ever does is whatever the f**k he wants. If he doesn't want to he doesn't have to. He couldn't even bring himself to shake hands with Merkel because he 'didn't want to', yet he can send forces around the world to start a war? It's a horse***t excuse. He can stop anytime.

Iran is not forcing his hand. He's the one ratcheting up tension - him and bolton. Moreover he has made it clear it was on his mind all along, when he projected the possibility onto Obama in 2011. Only Obama made a treaty with Iran, Trump tore it up, and now he wants war.
 
Eisenhower did not get us into Vietnam. Your logic is absurd.

It also was a war started on a deliberate lie, just like a Democrat president lied to get us into WW1.

And so was Iraq 2003, so why do it again?
 
Any Military action by the US will have ZERO support from Europe or any allies....This will be a unilateral boon doggle from the start
 
Since the Democratic Party is in alliance with Iran, China, Russia and N. Korea I expect many Democrats on the forum to rush to Iran's defense.

While Democrats are prohibited from joining ISIS, no American law I am aware of prevents any Democrats from joining the Iranian military. However, any Democrat acting on behalf of or promoting the interests of Iran commits a criminal offense unless they formally register as a lobbyist for a foreign power. Quite a few Democrats and progressives on this forum should do so.

Childish nonsense. Just not wanting a baseless war for fake reasons does not constitute lobbying or even sympathy for Iran. This is just trolling. What is criminal is starting another war under false pretenses. We all saw the mess of Iraq: this will not go any better.

But it is likely still just a distraction so trump can control the news cycle ahead of more hearings and leaks about his criminal activity.
 
Eisenhower did not get us into Vietnam. Your logic is absurd.

Democrat LBJ promised in his election he absolutely would not get the USA into Vietnam, calling his Republican opponent a war monger. After the election, that Democrat president followed the Democratic Party norm of pathological lying and sent hundreds of thousands of Americans to fight in Vietnam. The Vietnam war is 100% a war the Democratic Party is responsible for. It also was a war started on a deliberate lie, just like a Democrat president lied to get us into WW1.

and a Republican one started the war in Iraq on a falsehood. It's not about the letter after the name of the president. It's about the US penchant for starting unnecessary wars.

If Trump manages to get us into war in Iran, that one is likely to make Vietnam and Iraq look like July 4 fireworks shows.
 
Since the Democratic Party is in alliance with Iran, China, Russia and N. Korea I expect many Democrats on the forum to rush to Iran's defense.

While Democrats are prohibited from joining ISIS, no American law I am aware of prevents any Democrats from joining the Iranian military. However, any Democrat acting on behalf of or promoting the interests of Iran commits a criminal offense unless they formally register as a lobbyist for a foreign power. Quite a few Democrats and progressives on this forum should do so.

This has to be among the most IGNORANT post I've seen on here. It sounds like some Russian Troll Propaganda trying to capture the minds of the ignorant.
 
Eisenhower did not get us into Vietnam. Your logic is absurd.

Democrat LBJ promised in his election he absolutely would not get the USA into Vietnam, calling his Republican opponent a war monger. After the election, that Democrat president followed the Democratic Party norm of pathological lying and sent hundreds of thousands of Americans to fight in Vietnam. The Vietnam war is 100% a war the Democratic Party is responsible for. It also was a war started on a deliberate lie, just like a Democrat president lied to get us into WW1.

Perspective is needed!!! Therefore, for those with interest, I will provide a broader view perspective for those who have the attention span to investigate and digest what is there to be learned.

.... It was the Puffed up and overly dramatized non substantiated Gulf of Tonkin incident that led to actions by LBJ, and that was in part because the drama has been drummed up and played out, with much of Republican backing, that Goldwater has planned to use it against, Johnson if Johnson did not act.. Goldwater's plan was to push the message to the public that LBJ did not and would not protect American Interest. They (Republicans) forced this message that resulted into the acts that escalated Viet Nam War, because they knew Johnson did not want to go to expanding war in Viet Nam... and they figured they could use his reluctance against him... so Republican could get in and try and roll back the Civil Rights legislation, and curb the Planned Immigration Act that Johnson had designed.

People have to learn to look at the big picture... and learn what makes the pieces move as they do and as they did.

LBJ's attitude about Viet Nam was as he said: We are not about to send American boys 9 or 10 thousand miles away from home to do what Asian boys ought to be doing for themselves.

Goldwater and Republican pushed his back against the wall, and Johnson knew it was a plan and a play to try and make him loose office, so republican could come in and roll back Civil Rights and Block the passage of the Voting Rights Act, and not permit the Immigration Act to move forward. Thus so, it was a situation where he had much to weight, so as not to loose position and have his legislation rolled back by the agenda of the Republican system. either choice has severe consequence, but Johnson knew, that Civil Rights, Voting Rights, Womens Rights, Medicare and Medicaid and Job Corps and Immigration was worth saving, faced with the choices before him.

(people should learn the broader perspective before they began to play the "tid bit" game of drama spins). That's why it's said, a little bit of information can be dangerous and in some it is very dangerous.

Now, these are the "REAL TRUTH'S" of what and why and how we got into Viet Nam escalations - the Republican were entrenched as they are today, in the Military Industrial Complex and its agenda, as well as it is still engulfed with aims and intents to continues TODAY, the exact same attack on Civil Rights, Women Rights, Voting Rights and Immigration Legislation as they held back in the 1960's. .... and they certainly detest the Immigration legislation to make any considerations for brown and black people from any place around the world.

I truly do wish people would expand their reading material to truly learn beyond the spins, to research beneath the common spill, to see the make up of what expose and presents the REAL TRUTH'S.... and many need to stop living in perpetual denials of what they can't bring themselves to face and digest.
I find it sad, that many forums are not filled with people who have the attention span to deal with "real truth's" because it requires thinking, researching, reading, understanding and being willing to learn what they have a voluntary mental block against learning.
 
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and a Republican one started the war in Iraq on a falsehood. It's not about the letter after the name of the president. It's about the US penchant for starting unnecessary wars.

If Trump manages to get us into war in Iran, that one is likely to make Vietnam and Iraq look like July 4 fireworks shows.

I agree with the first part but on the second, it could be quieter than our worst fears. I think given Twump's attention span they'll drop a few bombs and go home. A handful of ships sunk, some airfields strafed; the odd children's hospital for good measure. Then he'll declare 'victory' and pull forces back.

Not much will have been achieved. At best Iran will be back at the negotiating table where it sat happily before Twump tore up the treaty. At worst, more insular, unpredictable and untrustworthy than before. Nothing 'good' will come of it that couldn't be achieved without a shot in anger.
 
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