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NYT: Trump’s Trade War Escalation Will Exact Economic Pain, Adviser Says

Conservative said:
Eliminate LA, SF, and San Diego and you have a Red State!
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That's probably true. Lots of folks in the rural areas would like to ditch the Democrats. That's why there have been so many proposals to split the state. Ever hear of the State of Jefferson? Folks in Oregon would like to separate from Portland as well.

But, for some reason, people keep staying and keep coming to California. When we bring back the Bear Flag Republic, we'll have to have strict immigration laws.
 
Dittohead not! said:
No, you're the one saying that it is the supply, not the demand, that has houses so expensive in SF. I'm the one pointing out that there are few places to build close to that city.
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Look this is foolish,, you love your state,, i get it but it has become a homeless hellhole due to the politics of the state, sorry, but that is reality. You can bury your head in the sand but the problems exist and your state is doing little except to attract more illegals, more homeless because of benefits. You don't bite the hand that feeds you therefore Hillary won the state by over 4 million votes
 
Conservative said:
Look this is foolish,, you love your state,, i get it but it has become a homeless hellhole due to the politics of the state, sorry, but that is reality. You can bury your head in the sand but the problems exist and your state is doing little except to attract more illegals, more homeless because of benefits. You don't bite the hand that feeds you therefore Hillary won the state by over 4 million votes
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So, when you run out of arguments, you simply repeat what you've said before. Do you have any support for your opinion that the high cost of housing in San Francisco is due to over regulation and not to the laws of supply and demand? Remember, the house I posted in Bakersfield is also in California, subject to all of the liberalism that is rampant in the state.

And yes, Bakersfield has homeless as well. In fact, I believe every major city has them.

Well, places like Minneapolis may not have so many, due to all that conservative, anti global warming weather they have.
 
Dittohead not! said:
So, when you run out of arguments, you simply repeat what you've said before. Do you have any support for your opinion that the high cost of housing in San Francisco is due to over regulation and not to the laws of supply and demand? Remember, the house I posted in Bakersfield is also in California, subject to all of the liberalism that is rampant in the state.

And yes, Bakersfield has homeless as well. In fact, I believe every major city has them.

Well, places like Minneapolis may not have so many, due to all that conservative, anti global warming weather they have.
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Well, to be fair, the high cost of housing in SF is definitely from over regulation. There is a definite reluctance to build high density housing in the Bay Area.

But, to Conservative’s chagrin, the opposition to increasing housing density is primarily from local groups - acting like conservatives. They dont want higher density housing to adversely affect their existing property values.

CA has several ideas to fix this, all opposed by conservative groups, as well as the NIMBY types.

Supervisors oppose state legislation that would increase housing density – The San Francisco Examiner
 
Threegoofs said:
Well, to be fair, the high cost of housing in SF is definitely from over regulation. There is a definite reluctance to build high density housing in the Bay Area.

But, to Conservative’s chagrin, the opposition to increasing housing density is primarily from local groups - acting like conservatives. They dont want higher density housing to adversely affect their existing property values.

CA has several ideas to fix this, all opposed by conservative groups, as well as the NIMBY types.

Supervisors oppose state legislation that would increase housing density – The San Francisco Examiner
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Darned San Francisco conservatives make it too expensive to live there.
 
Dittohead not! said:
So, when you run out of arguments, you simply repeat what you've said before. Do you have any support for your opinion that the high cost of housing in San Francisco is due to over regulation and not to the laws of supply and demand? Remember, the house I posted in Bakersfield is also in California, subject to all of the liberalism that is rampant in the state.

And yes, Bakersfield has homeless as well. In fact, I believe every major city has them.

Well, places like Minneapolis may not have so many, due to all that conservative, anti global warming weather they have.
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Yes, demand always plays a role in housing costs and is alleviated by supply, build them and they will come but you are in denial that the high costs of regulations, taxes,, local not in my neighborhood policies and long permitting process affects supply and builders.

I understand why you want to defend California but all you are doing is destroying your own credibility which obviously doesn't mean much to you. I always loved visiting SF but not any more as your city is a disaster due to the homeless and radicals running the city. Sorry but that is reality and it exists throughout the coast of California. Keep staying in denial about the real problem with is Democratic Social engineering, violation of immigration laws, over regulations/taxes and high cost of living which has led to the fiscal disaster that for some reason you want to thrust on the rest of the country by allowing California to elect the President.

Hillary won California by over 4 million votes the largest margin in U.S. history mostly accumulated at the coastal communities of SF, LA, and San Diego. none of this has anything to do with the thread topic but like most liberals you simply want to divert from the actual results being generated. Carry on because I am done with this argument. I have family in California and always loved visiting them but no longer will spend my dollars in your city or in LA. More and more people get it,, when will you? Seems that the economic successes of the state are not trickling down to the poor, the homeless in your state, why is that?
 
Dittohead not! said:
So, when you run out of arguments, you simply repeat what you've said before. Do you have any support for your opinion that the high cost of housing in San Francisco is due to over regulation and not to the laws of supply and demand? Remember, the house I posted in Bakersfield is also in California, subject to all of the liberalism that is rampant in the state.

And yes, Bakersfield has homeless as well. In fact, I believe every major city has them.

Well, places like Minneapolis may not have so many, due to all that conservative, anti global warming weather they have.
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You do realize that Minnesota and other states with homeless and poverty don't have the economy of the state of California that should be able to raise the level of wages and benefits thus eliminating the problem. The haves are doing quite well, the have nots aren't which is why the lowest quality of live exists in California along with the highest in poverty and homeless
 
Conservative said:
You do realize that Minnesota and other states with homeless and poverty don't have the economy of the state of California that should be able to raise the level of wages and benefits thus eliminating the problem.
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True.

The dominant liberal presence in the state of California has made it a super prosperous state.

You got that right.

Glad to see you think the state should do more, like raise the minimum wage, and get more benefits included in jobs- like good health care, more vacation tine that you can carry over year to year, etc, and step up progressive taxation to limit income inequality.



I had no idea you were so progressive... but I guess after getting spanked so hard in this thread, you’ve seen the light.
 
Threegoofs said:
True.

The dominant liberal presence in the state of California has made it a super prosperous state.

You got that right.

Glad to see you think the state should do more, like raise the minimum wage, and get more benefits included in jobs- like good health care, more vacation tine that you can carry over year to year, etc, and step up progressive taxation to limit income inequality.



I had no idea you were so progressive... but I guess after getting spanked so hard in this thread, you’ve seen the light.
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So when do you think that California prosperity is going to reach the homeless, those in poverty and remove the stigma of having the largest wage gap and worst quality of life in the nation? Isn't that what you radicals always want to do is spread wealth and prosperity in Red States but why not blue states?
 
Conservative said:
So when do you think that California prosperity is going to reach the homeless, those in poverty and remove the stigma of having the largest wage gap and worst quality of life in the nation? Isn't that what you radicals always want to do is spread wealth and prosperity in Red States but why not blue states?
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‘Worst quality of life in the nation’.

LOL.

So bad, people are paying 500k for tiny 2br homes because they hate living there so much.
 
Conservative said:
You keep buying what the left tells you but the reality is Canadians would like nothing better than having the U.S. return to the Obama policies of appeasement and feel good rhetoric while implementing the entitlement ideology and massive central gov't so that your country doesn't have to take care of itself.
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Well, that's complete nonsense. But you keep trying.

I really don't see any reason to continue this with Canadians who have opinions based upon biased information and leftwing media spin but are totally clueless when it comes to economic results and official data nor do Canadians care about actual facts.
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Oh my, someone doesn't like being shown they are wrong. Again and again. LOL.

People move into California for various reasons so keep ignoring the negative reasons of the social programs offered by the state including illegals and sanctuary cities.
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You see, this is your problem. You babble nonsense, and then hope and pray that it ends up sounding like an intelligent argument. Trust me on this, it doesn't.

For example you said I did something. Show me where I ignored negative reasons.
 
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Conservative said:
You do realize that Minnesota and other states with homeless and poverty don't have the economy of the state of California that should be able to raise the level of wages and benefits thus eliminating the problem.
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Let's hear your plan for eliminating homelessness. This should be good. Planning on putting the people that want to live on the street in Gulags?
 
JustHanging said:
Let's hear your plan for eliminating homelessness. This should be good. Planning on putting the people that want to live on the street in Gulags?
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California hasn't had a Republican Legislature since the 60's and the bluest state of them all always has answers so ask them why they lead the nation and what they are doing about the problem?
 
Threegoofs said:
Yes, Democrats create jobs- just like in California.
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And yet California leads the nation in poverty, homelessness and has the lowest quality of life. Guess those jobs aren't getting to those people in need, wonder why?
 
MTAtech said:
New York Times: Trump’s Trade War Escalation Will Exact Economic Pain, Adviser Says
Relevant snippets:

My comment: So, even Larry Kudlow now admits the trade war will hurt Americans. “In fact, both sides will pay,” Mr. Kudlow said on “Fox News Sunday.” “Both sides will suffer on this.”

My comment: Whenever investors suspect that Donald Trump will really go through with his threats of big tariff increases, provoking retaliation abroad, stocks plunge. Every time they decide it’s just theater, stocks recover. Markets really, really don’t like the idea of a trade war.
My Comment: Trump fundamentally doesn't know how tariffs work. Consumers pay the tariffs, not the country of origin.
My Comment: The wealthy and corporations got tax-cuts and the American consumer gets higher prices due to tariffs. Moreover, any growth aspect of the tax-cuts has worn off -- just in time for the contraction effects of the tariffs to kick in.

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In some ways, China really is a bad actor in the global economy. In particular, it has pretty much thumbed its nose at international rules on intellectual property rights, grabbing foreign technology without proper payment. And to be fair, Trump officials do sometimes raise the intellectual property issue as a justification for getting tough.

But if getting China to pay what it owes for technology were the goal, you’d expect the U.S. both to make specific demands on that front and to adopt a strategy aimed at inducing China to meet those demands.

In fact, the U.S. has given little indication of what China should do about intellectual property. Meanwhile, if getting better protection of patent rights and so on were the goal, America should be trying to build a coalition with other advanced countries to pressure the Chinese; instead, we’ve been alienating everyone in sight. Not for nothing, this issue was addressed in the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) that Trump cancelled on day one.
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So, given what you've said about China being a "bad actor" doesn't that imply that we either have to tolerated its continuing (and possibly escalating) bad behavior or suck it up and take a few lumps to force them to get more in line with fair trade policies?
 
Conservative said:
California hasn't had a Republican Legislature since the 60's and the bluest state of them all always has answers so ask them why they lead the nation and what they are doing about the problem?
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Nope, you're trying to change the subject. That's dishonest. Stop it.

You said you know how to get rid of the homeless problem. So, how do you do that? Particularly getting rid of the people who want to live on the street.

Conservative said:
You do realize that Minnesota and other states with homeless and poverty don't have the economy of the state of California that should be able to raise the level of wages and benefits thus eliminating the problem.
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Conservative said:
LOL, budget surplus?? What is the debt in California? you people may be the most poorly informed people in the country and totally ignorant of supply and demand which we continue to explain to you but you continue to ignore. California taxes, regulations, and entitlement mentality make it almost impossible for a builder to be successful in California but keep showing how little you understand about basic economics and the private sector

California : State Data and Comparisons : State Data Lab
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I take it you won't be praising Trump's economy given the growth of our debt.

Amirite?

Sent from the Oval Office using Putin's MacBook, and Barr's Wi-Fi password.
 
JustHanging said:
Nope, you're trying to change the subject. That's dishonest. Stop it.

You said you know how to get rid of the homeless problem. So, how do you do that? Particularly getting rid of the people who want to live on the street.
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Very simple, get rid of Democrats and the entitlement mentality along with social engineering
 
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