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Trump: Discussing Biden probe with Barr would be 'appropriate'

Cardinal said:
Why do you format your posts like that? Nobody's reading that crap, you know.
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I have no idea'r what you mean.
Cite an example by posting what aggravates you.Show US what you are talking about.
 
rocket88 said:
Well, you guys have been telling us for two years that there's nothing wrong with that. Suddenly you have a problem because it's a Democrat. Double standard much?
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I've always been against Obama's politicization of government agencies and wielding them as political weapons.

I'm rather glad that Barr and FBI IG Horowitz have taken up their investigations into this matter, this matter of the 'factual predicate' on which the first FBI investigation into the Trump campaign was justified.

Should the investigation conclude that there was a sufficient factual predicate, that there was no malfeasance or crimes, no violations of constitutional rights during that investigation, fine.

Should the investigation conclude that there was not sufficient factual predicate, that there was malfeasance or crimes, that there were violations of constitutional rights during that investigation, I fully expect criminal indictments with convictions and long prison sentences.
Such violations as these when wielding government power cannot be allowed to stand. The future of the Republic is at stake.

We shall see. Its now the Democrats turn to sit on the hot seat during a federal investigation.
 
Stealers Wheel said:
He won't have to declare himself anything. He'll simply tell us the results of the election are "fake news" and are part of a coup intended to overthrow his presidency. Congress will demand to see the evidence, the administration will thumb its nose at the subpoenas, and the USSC will declare Trump the legitimate winner of the election. And Putin will call and graciously congratulate Trump on his great victory.
No muss, no fuss.
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And there Will be War.....
 
Casper said:
And there Will be War.....
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again the only people not accepting election results are leftist democrats.
your guys projections on others is just weak.
 
ludin said:
again the only people not accepting election results are leftist democrats.
your guys projections on others is just weak.
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I was replying to a possible scenario someone posted. I never disputed the 2016 election results so you are barking up the wrong tree.
 
ludin said:
again the only people not accepting election results are leftist democrats.
your guys projections on others is just weak.
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Who here disputed the election results? Don't say "Leftists." Be specific. Because I don't recall a single Democrat disputing the election results.
 
Cardinal said:
Who here disputed the election results? Don't say "Leftists." Be specific. Because I don't recall a single Democrat disputing the election results.
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No Democrat/Leftist ever said Trump is an illigitimate president?
 
apdst said:
No Democrat/Leftist ever said Trump is an illigitimate president?
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The claim is that Democrats dispute election results. That's a very specific claim. I know I've never disputed the election results, and Republican claims to the contrary, I've never heard any other Democrats claim that the election results were inaccurate either.
 
Cardinal said:
The claim is that Democrats dispute election results. That's a very specific claim. I know I've never disputed the election results, and Republican claims to the contrary, I've never heard any other Democrats claim that the election results were inaccurate either.
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The only way for Trump to be illegitimate is for the results to be illegitimate.
 
apdst said:
The only way for Trump to be illegitimate is for the results to be illegitimate.
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So do you accept that we aren't disputing the election results?
 
Cardinal said:
We're here, now: We've officially arrived at the clearest and least ambiguous quality of an autocracy: the head of state using the powers of his office and the Federal government to directly persecute his political rivals.
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That ship sailed a long time ago.

Cardinal said:
I've been predicting here for several months that come 2020 the Democratic Primary winner, whoever that was, would be under investigation by the DOJ. The problem with that prediction was of timing and detail: it assumed that existing democratic guardrails would delay the point we now find ourselves at til some point down the road, and it necessarily assumed that the Presidential power that Trump would assert would be through the DOJ, though now we see that he's perfectly willing to use his powers via foreign affairs as well in order to accomplish the same end.
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Gee, the 2016 GOP nominee was spied on, and now your complaining about an actual investigation?

cardinal said:
So now I have to move on to the next prediction, since my first one is shortly to be fulfilled a year ahead of schedule : if another Democratic candidate becomes the front runner, then that candidate will come under investigation or persecution by the President as well.



Trump: Discussing Biden probe with Barr would be 'appropriate' - POLITICO
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So, a President shouldn't discuss investigations with the Attorney General?
 
eohrnberger said:
I've always been against Obama's politicization of government agencies and wielding them as political weapons.

I'm rather glad that Barr and FBI IG Horowitz have taken up their investigations into this matter, this matter of the 'factual predicate' on which the first FBI investigation into the Trump campaign was justified.

Should the investigation conclude that there was a sufficient factual predicate, that there was no malfeasance or crimes, no violations of constitutional rights during that investigation, fine.

Should the investigation conclude that there was not sufficient factual predicate, that there was malfeasance or crimes, that there were violations of constitutional rights during that investigation, I fully expect criminal indictments with convictions and long prison sentences.
Such violations as these when wielding government power cannot be allowed to stand. The future of the Republic is at stake.

We shall see. Its now the Democrats turn to sit on the hot seat during a federal investigation.
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So you're against using these agencies as political weapons....until Trump uses them as weapons against Democrats. Sadly predictable.
 
apdst said:
The only way for Trump to be illegitimate is for the results to be illegitimate.
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I see you guys are already setting the tone for 2021.

Don't worry, Trump won't leave power willingly regardless of election results.
 
joko104 said:
Mein Kampf is the Bible of the new International Democratic Fascist-Socialist Party.
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Oh is that what the Republicans are calling themselves these days. I thought they would just remove all doubt and rename themselves Trump's Party.
 
rocket88 said:
So you're against using these agencies as political weapons....until Trump uses them as weapons against Democrats. Sadly predictable.
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They've already been politicized and used as political weapons by the Obama administration, who have established a track record of doing so.

But, as I've posted a number of times already, whether or not the spying on the Trump campaign is legitimate or not hinges on the 'factual predicate' which justified the start of the first FBI spying on the Trump campaign that Barr mentioned in his congressional testimony.

Should that factual predicate meet the legal standards, that no malfeasance or criminality, that no constitutional rights have been violated during that investigation, then there's really not a problem.

Should that factual predicate not meet the legal standards, that there was malfeasance or criminality, or constitutional rights were violated during that investigation, then there's really a serious problem.

It will all depend on the conclusions that Barr's and the FBI IG's investigations arrive at.

So, no, the Trump administration isn't using government agencies as political weapons. Pretty clear that the Obama administration may have. It hinges on the factual predicate.
 
Cardinal said:
Who here disputed the election results? Don't say "Leftists." Be specific. Because I don't recall a single Democrat disputing the election results.
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clinton still can't accept she lost fairly.
the lady from georgia is still claiming she won even though she didn't.

Andrew Guillium couldn't accept his loss in his Gov race either.

So the only people bitching and complaining and not accepting results are leftists.
 
rocket88 said:
I really don't understand why a conservative would think it's ok.


Oh wait, yes I do....
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The left told everyone its ok with the new standard they set in 2016.

Biden and his family may be traitors and now that the allegation has been made and according to the left that is enough to give the gov legitimate license to turn thier lives upside down and publicly persecute them and anyone associated with them. Biden himself was VP of the administration that adooted this new standard of criminal investigations. He off all people should support a full investigation of his life.

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trouble13 said:
The left told everyone its ok with the new standard they set in 2016.

Biden and his family may be traitors and now that the allegation has been made and according to the left that is enough to give the gov legitimate license to turn thier lives upside down and publicly persecute them and anyone associated with them. Biden himself was VP of the administration that adooted this new standard of criminal investigations. He off all people should support a full investigation of his life.

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This Biden thing has three main purposes
1 - to eliminate a strong opponent for Trump in 2020
2 - to eliminate a strong opponent for Trump in 2020
3 - to eliminate a strong opponent for Trump in 2020
 
America will survive and it will rise up and prosper far and beyond, and in-spite of all the malice and evil making that Trump, Republican Congress and Right Wing Constituency engages. This mentality and actions of a Tyrant and the followers of a wanna be tyrant will not bring down the nation, nor will it lead the people to become mass followers of such madness. It will continue to cause damages that it will take us a great bit of time and challenge to rebuild and build a better nation from the destruction's he has brought in so many areas of American society and the disgrace that he has brought upon American from the Global Community.

What is being exposed in current times is the naked truths of what and how "America white nationalist ignorance has damaged America, and the World for many many decades, and how it has devastated the working poor and the poor, and yes, this does include the poor whites who have been misled to embrace bias, bigotry, racist and delusions that their skin makes them what it can never make them to be, which is superior to others. It's a fallacy that has wreaked havoc in America for 100's of years and decades.
America will meet with economic challenges and varying forms of International retribution, because of it! As we've seen the element of white nationalism consume and decimates the working poor for decades upon decades...and passing that destitution on from one generation to the next, over many centuries.

America has been diverse long before the Europeans invaded upon the Territories of the American Indians and the Mexican and Latin American people who inhabited this land and this continent for centuries while the Europeans were engaged in the cycles of centuries of barbaric assaults upon and against each other. This nation has seen the savagery of the slaughter of the Indians, and the importation of black people under the vile of slavery, and we've seen the centuries of assault and denigration of the Mexican and Central American people who have long been inhabitants of this American Continent.
We've watched for decades the ignoring and disregard of Mexico and Central American on this North and Central American Continent, while we lived through the madness of "white nationalism" chase around the world, seeking slave labor at inhumane wage levels, and wars in lands of poor people, in pursuit to capture their resources and try and influence and dictate their governance in their own lands.
We've seen it from people from the European Region, plunder the world under the British invasions and subjugation's of people, that extended from India, to China and acts to encroach upon the regions of Africa and the Middle East. We've seen the Chinese get themselves from under the European British horrors and its terrors, and we've seen and continue to see Africa expel the madness that has been invoked upon them and within their nation for centuries, we saw India work itself from under the European British horrors, as well as from under the Nordic regional white ethnic brutality.... The European/British have come to learn that it has to respect people of all ethnicity, the Nordic Regional white ethnicity has learned it has to respect people of all ethnicity from and within all lands, and we are in a Time when it is upon American white society, to learn it has to respect people of all ethnicity from and within all lands.

Trump represents nothing more than the "last stand" of the White Nationalist and the Vile they've promoted, and they today, fight like a "savage" trying to cling to the principles and premise of savagery, to feed the vanity that is based in savagery.

Now, the acts of a Tyrant mentality of White Nationalist Madness.... is fully exposed, and the attack on Presidential Candidates is exhibited by the savage mentality of savage acts that desecrate the systems of American Governance. His child like savage gaming of "name calling" and public belligerence, bully stomping that has been seen in the rallying of savage types, spewing vile, malice and inhumane commentary, with nothing more than the acts summing up to be the acts of savagery, seeking to impose the savagery of tyranny....

Only when people can see it for what it is and as it is, will they see and learn how they have been not only misled, but led to dishonor the same religion they have claimed to regard, which has been for centuries been tarnished by the delusions and creations from those delusion the vile concept of white nationalism and the vile vanity of dishonoring the premise of God's creation of "all" mankind to try and proclaim themselves as "superior".... That is of and among the greatest atrocity against the principle and premise of Gods Truths. (these people know who they are, and now, all of society in America and Abroad is aware of whom they are, and they are exposed for the savage acts of malice they engage).
 
(This is not expected to be read or understood by small minds, bigots and racist and those who embrace such savagery)
 
haymarket said:
This Biden thing has three main purposes
1 - to eliminate a strong opponent for Trump in 2020
2 - to eliminate a strong opponent for Trump in 2020
3 - to eliminate a strong opponent for Trump in 2020
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Whatever happened to no person is above the law, the government needs to investigate crimes wherever it leads ECT ECT?
 
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