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[W:171]FBI chief Wray refutes Barr, says no 'spying' on Trump campaign

I can't imagine why the FBI would conduct surveillance on George Papadopoulos and Carter Page after an Australian diplomat came forward and told the FBI that Papadopoulos had told him about a Russian offer to help the Trump campaign by releasing thousands of hacked Democratic emails.

And yes, the FBI obtained a court-approved warrant to wiretap Mr. Page, who had contacts with Russian intelligence. Mr. Page was not affiliated with the campaign when the FBI sought the secret wiretap. Thus, any idea that this was "illegal spying" is nonsense. It was standard procedure and a court ordered warrant was legally obtained.

Standard procedure is a good phrase.

Why was the "Standard Procedure" of a "Defensive Briefing" for the Trump Campaign abandoned in this "investigation"?
 
Um, yeah. Courts ordering wiretaps is EXACTLY like slavery. How could I have been so foolish to think otherwise?

In this case, a court sanctioning the illegal due to the wishes of the misinformed, yes.

Ever heard of Dred Scot?
 
How exquisitely delusional. The investigation was fully legal and the surveillance was court-ordered.

And what was the committed crime that was being investigated?
 
The legality of the approval is not in question.

The question is whether or not the lying Dirty Cops used lies to deceive to get the legal approval from the hapless judge.

I wonder if the "hapless judge" is at all upset that he was used by the Dirty Cops to work their mischief...

Actually. for Trumpkins, there has only ever been one question: what can I say to excuse the major disaster that is Donald Trump. It all comes back to that in the end.
 
LOL! A 'controversy' isn't a 'crime' no matter how much that enrages you.

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Your denial is amazing.

You seemed to ask if a Democrat ever committed a crime.

I showed you that it has happened.

In passing, how do you feel about the "controversy" surrounding the Trump Campaign being spied on by the Obama Administration?
 
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You don't need a committed crime in order to justify and investgiation. Only probable cause.

You have no idea what you're talking about.

What was the probable cause?
 
Here's a thought: Don't say you have insider information from the Kremlin regarding Russian cyber-espionage operations, and the FBI won't take an interest in your activities.

If we switched out "Trump" with "Clinton" and "Russian" with "Iran", this wouldn't be a conversation.

The FBI never violated anyways civil rights in their surveillance efforts, and they further had established probable cause for the FISA warrant, which was done months after the subject in question was gone from the campaign.

They were spying on the campaign before that happened. What was their grounds, before that?
 
Actually. for Trumpkins, there has only ever been one question: what can I say to excuse the major disaster that is Donald Trump. It all comes back to that in the end.

Why is it that people filled with hate lose the ability to think?

It would be a better world if hate filled idiots in it could just understand how stupid they are and somehow direct their energies in a useful direction.
 
How exquisitely delusional. The investigation was fully legal and the surveillance was court-ordered.
Did the FBI lie to the FISA court in the Gotti case too like they did on Carter page? Comey was playing loose with the rules and it’s about to burn him. The FBI was spying on the Trump campaign no matter what semantic game you want to play.
 
What is the distinction(s) that differentiates the two activities?

Age.

The older guys call it "spying" (as in: "Go and look what he is doing without him knowing that we are snooping around in his private/business life.",

and the younger guys call it "surveillance" (as in: Go and look what he is doing without him knowing we are snooping around his his private/business life."


May 3, 2019 - James Clapper (older guy): "... Clapper admitted that spying had occurred. When asked by Wolf Blitzer whether spying had occurred, Clapper said that “it’s not a term of art used by intelligence people“ but admitted that “I guess it meets the dictionary definition of surveillance or spying, a term I don't particularly like.”

James Clapper backtracks: FBI's actions meet 'dictionary definition of spying'
 
Did the FBI lie to the FISA court in the Gotti case too like they did on Carter page? Comey was playing loose with the rules and it’s about to burn him. The FBI was spying on the Trump campaign no matter what semantic game you want to play.

Fun to watch you make claims about lies and never back them up.

And legal, court-ordered electronic surveillance of Russians isn't 'spying on the twump campaign'.

Pro-tip: words have meanings. Check that out sometime.
 
I can't imagine why the FBI would conduct surveillance on George Papadopoulos and Carter Page after an Australian diplomat came forward and told the FBI that Papadopoulos had told him about a Russian offer to help the Trump campaign by releasing thousands of hacked Democratic emails.

And yes, the FBI obtained a court-approved warrant to wiretap Mr. Page, who had contacts with Russian intelligence. Mr. Page was not affiliated with the campaign when the FBI sought the secret wiretap. Thus, any idea that this was "illegal spying" is nonsense. It was standard procedure and a court ordered warrant was legally obtained.

Or they could have just let the Trump campaign know that Russia was approaching PapaD. It's not as if the FBI didn't know Russia was seeking to screw with election.

A FISA warrant can only be issued on an American citizen when a person knowingly is conspiring with a foreign agent to break, or had broken, a law. The FISA law had retroactive features so they can back to see what he was doing.
 
Yawn. Asked and answered countless time, and it's in the Mueller Report. You have no honest interest here.

I'm sorry that you're so drowsy.

When you wake up completely, you may want to ask WHY ANYONE was talking to George P about anything.
 
Fun to watch you make claims about lies and never back them up.

And legal, court-ordered electronic surveillance of Russians isn't 'spying on the twump campaign'.

Pro-tip: words have meanings. Check that out sometime.

Won't have to.

Michael Horowitz is already doing so.
 
Did Wray say that no spying occurred or that he was distressed by the use of the word spying?

He was distressed by the use of the word 'spying.'
 
FBI chief Wray refutes Barr, says no 'spying' on Trump campaign

Last month Bill Barr expressly stated he was of the mind that spying on the Trump campaign occurred:
Barr: "We’re worried about foreign influence in elections ... I think spying on a political campaign — it’s a big deal, it’s a big deal. I’m not suggesting that [rules enacted to ensure there's adequate basis for investigative actions] were violated, but I think it’s important to look at that. I’m not talking about the FBI necessarily, but intelligence agencies more broadly."
Sen. Shaheen: "You’re not suggesting that spying occurred?"
Barr: "I think spying did occur."
(Source)​

Yet later in the same hearing he remarked: "I’m not saying if improper surveillance occurred." (Source) Furthermore, Barr asserted the DoJ is investigating the FBI's investigation of Trump.

Today, Trump's handpicked FBI Director, Chris Wray, declared under oath:
I was very concerned by [Barr's] use of the word spying, which I think is a loaded word," Shaheen said. "When FBI agents conduct investigations against alleged mobsters, suspected terrorists, other criminals, do you believe they're engaging in spying when they're following FBI investigative policies and procedures?"

"That's not the term I would use," Wray said of "spying." "So, I would say that's a no to that question."
-- FBI chief Wray refutes Barr, says no 'spying' on Trump campaign

So here we are:
  • Trump's handpicked AG says he "thinks" there spying occurred, but fails to identify who (what organization) performed it, but he's not investigating the FBI.
  • Trump's handpicked FBI Dir., in substance, asserts that no FBI surveillance or investigative policy-compliant activities are spying.

So what must one rationally conclude from the above?
  • The AG was taking out of two sides of his mouth.
  • Spying isn't what the FBI does.
  • So-called "spying" occurred, but neither Barr nor Wray has identified who was spied upon and who did the spying.

You wish to play word games. Do you also wish to ignore the process of the beginnings of the Trump campaign/Russia interference investigation?
 
Fun to watch you make claims about lies and never back them up.

And legal, court-ordered electronic surveillance of Russians isn't 'spying on the twump campaign'.

Pro-tip: words have meanings. Check that out sometime.
So the FISA warrant application has the word VERIFIED on it in big letters and a large portion of the application “evidence “ is the unverified Russian Dossier... words have meaning . The IG report is coming. Comey needs to lawyer up.
 
So the FISA warrant application has the word VERIFIED on it in big letters and a large portion of the application “evidence “ is the unverified Russian Dossier... words have meaning . The IG report is coming. Comey needs to lawyer up.

Please cling to that desperate fantasy. Pretty please?
 
You don't need a committed crime in order to justify and investgiation. Only probable cause.

You have no idea what you're talking about.

Ok-- so what was the probable cause to think that Donald Trump was conspiring with Russians to fix the election?
 
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