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5-year-old Guatemalan boy who risked being deported without mother allowed to stay

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From CBS News

5-year-old Guatemalan boy who risked being deported without mother allowed to stay

A 5-year-old Guatemalan boy who was at risk of being deported without his mother will be allowed to stay in the U.S. while he awaits his court appearance for an asylum case.

Early in April, a judge had issued an order of deportation against Wanner Martinez for missing a court date neither his mother nor attorney was aware of. Lilian Martinez, 25, a native of Guatemala, and her son Wanner were separated under the Trump administration's now-defunct "zero tolerance" policy and reunited after spending two months apart in June 2018. Their asylum cases, however, were not linked together upon reunification, prompting the immigration court system to issue them separate court dates.



On Friday, after CBS News reported the family could be separated by the U.S. government for a second time, a judge granted an appeal filed by their attorney to reopen proceedings, halting Wanner's deportation and merging his case with that of his mother. According to court documents reviewed by CBS News, both Martinez and her son have to appear before Houston's immigration court on August 5.

COMMENT:-

From the point of "The Rule of Law" this is a VERY sound ruling and one taken in an appropriate length of time.

From another point of view this is an activist judge promoting open borders by allowing criminals, rapists, gang members, and drug dealers to flood into the country.

One of those two points of view is rational. Can you guess which one it is?
 
From CBS News

5-year-old Guatemalan boy who risked being deported without mother allowed to stay

A 5-year-old Guatemalan boy who was at risk of being deported without his mother will be allowed to stay in the U.S. while he awaits his court appearance for an asylum case.

Early in April, a judge had issued an order of deportation against Wanner Martinez for missing a court date neither his mother nor attorney was aware of. Lilian Martinez, 25, a native of Guatemala, and her son Wanner were separated under the Trump administration's now-defunct "zero tolerance" policy and reunited after spending two months apart in June 2018. Their asylum cases, however, were not linked together upon reunification, prompting the immigration court system to issue them separate court dates.



On Friday, after CBS News reported the family could be separated by the U.S. government for a second time, a judge granted an appeal filed by their attorney to reopen proceedings, halting Wanner's deportation and merging his case with that of his mother. According to court documents reviewed by CBS News, both Martinez and her son have to appear before Houston's immigration court on August 5.

COMMENT:-

From the point of "The Rule of Law" this is a VERY sound ruling and one taken in an appropriate length of time.

From another point of view this is an activist judge promoting open borders by allowing criminals, rapists, gang members, and drug dealers to flood into the country.

One of those two points of view is rational. Can you guess which one it is?

Hang on...let me adjust my tin foil hat...

Seriously though, a bit of good news in regards to immigrants. (At least from my perspective) Nice to hear. :)
 
Hang on...let me adjust my tin foil hat...

Seriously though, a bit of good news in regards to immigrants. (At least from my perspective) Nice to hear. :)

I think "What in hell do you mean you are going to punish someone based on a default judgment when you never even told them that there was going to be a trial?" is pretty sound legal reasoning.

Now what I'd like to know is why the judge who issued the deportation order against an "unaccompanied" 5 year old didn't think that it was in the least bit strange that the 5 year old's lawyer wasn't in court. In a situation like that (the 5 year old is NOT "competent to retain and instruct counsel") the child's lawyer is acting as an officer of the court and their absence "brings the administration of justice into disrepute".
 
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The judge who ruled on that in the first place should be beaten with a sack of hammers.
 
The judge who ruled on that in the first place should be beaten with a sack of hammers.

To quote one of my favourite philosophers "About as sharp as a sack of wet mice, boy.".
 
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