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Pig 'ebola' virus sends shock waves through global food chain

No, he hasn't. And reading the reports, there are a myriad of reasons given, among them foreign born people or people who travel to foreign countries. I couldn't find anything specific to immigrants at the southern border, which is what he brought this whole disease thing up for.

He actually started with measles, but he didn't read his own links, and it turned out that the measles outbreak at the border looks to have been caused by anti-vaxxer Americans. How's that for ironic? And sad. That dirt poor immigrants from dirt poor countries have better healthcare than some Americans. Wow.

USA Today: Rampant migrant illnesses force U.S. Border Patrol to seek help, change procedures

Migrant illnesses run rampant, forcing U.S. Border Patrol to seek help
 
USA Today: Rampant migrant illnesses force U.S. Border Patrol to seek help, change procedures

Migrant illnesses run rampant, forcing U.S. Border Patrol to seek help

OK, let's see what this one has to say...

Between Dec. 22 and Sunday, the agency reported 451 cases referred to doctors or other providers, including 259 children. Among the children, half of the cases involved kids under the age of 5.


Secretary of Homeland Security Kirstjen Nielsen said in a statement last week that the Border Patrol has detailed 139,817 migrants on the Southwest border in the past two months. That compares to 74,946 for the same period last year. These include 68,510 family members and 13,981 unaccompanied children.


The time frames are different, but they don't clarify, so I'll go with the number's they've given. If it's 451 cases of disease in 75,000 immigrants, is that so bad? I don't know. What is the rate of disease among Americans and immigrants who used different crossing points?

While USA Today is good for factual reporting (so reputable source, thank you!) it still doesn't provide any sort of context or insight into whether the immigrants crossing at the Southern border pose a threat that is greater than that from American citizens living in the USA. If that's your assertion, you need to provide more data.
 
OK, let's see what this one has to say...

Between Dec. 22 and Sunday, the agency reported 451 cases referred to doctors or other providers, including 259 children. Among the children, half of the cases involved kids under the age of 5.


Secretary of Homeland Security Kirstjen Nielsen said in a statement last week that the Border Patrol has detailed 139,817 migrants on the Southwest border in the past two months. That compares to 74,946 for the same period last year. These include 68,510 family members and 13,981 unaccompanied children.


The time frames are different, but they don't clarify, so I'll go with the number's they've given. If it's 451 cases of disease in 75,000 immigrants, is that so bad? I don't know. What is the rate of disease among Americans and immigrants who used different crossing points?

While USA Today is good for factual reporting (so reputable source, thank you!) it still doesn't provide any sort of context or insight into whether the immigrants crossing at the Southern border pose a threat that is greater than that from American citizens living in the USA. If that's your assertion, you need to provide more data.

I've been posting Link's to factual sites all day, including the CDC
You're so obsessed with our President your willing to put politics over public safety and continue to ignore the source of the resurgence of these infectious diseases.

I don't have TDS, so there's nothing stopping me from educating myself on the emerging public health crisis
 
Yeah. The same people who believe that a magical pixie created everything, believe everything Trump tells them. Go figure.

Scary, but that is an accurate description of our anti-science White House.

Don't worry though, God will protect us. /s

This is not good. And to make matters worse, there is no leadership in the White House.

If Trump sees political advantage, I expect he will just deny ebola is a problem. Along the lines of: "I'm a very stable genius. I know far more than those scientists and doctors who have been brainwashed with their "Leftist" educations. I heard our Dept. of Agriculture is going to release information that this is all a hoax by the Chinese. Believe me! Believe me!"

It was Trump who opened the Asian market?
I guess the topic doesn't matter as long as you can blow snotty remarks on the screen.
 
It was Trump who opened the Asian market?
I guess the topic doesn't matter as long as you can blow snotty remarks on the screen.

Quick! Quick! Somebody call the.....

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We were on topic. Trump is an anti-vaxxer, anti-science POTUS in a time when we need the best solutions science has to offer, vis-a-vis ebola. Or don't you think we should be searching for a scientific solution to the problem?

And if Trump tells his base that the scientist don't know what they're talking about, the base is liable to believe him. They usually do. Like they have before. So the degree of gullibility of Trump's base is also on topic.

If you took the time to actually read the posts, instead of going into an instant froth, you would realize this. Better yet, quit supporting an anti-science racist like Trump. Be part of the solution.
 
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I've been posting Link's to factual sites all day, including the CDC

I'm not sure what that has to do with anything. As I've demonstrated clearly time and time again, the factual sites you've linked to haven't supported your assertions.

As you can see from my responses, I've taken the time to read each of the links you've provided, and explained why they miss the mark.

You're so obsessed with our President your willing to put politics over public safety and continue to ignore the source of the resurgence of these infectious diseases.

No. You made an assertion about immigrants at the Southern border. You have not provided evidence to support that assertion. You've provided plenty of links, but they have not supported your assertion. That's the problem.

I don't have TDS, so there's nothing stopping me from educating myself on the emerging public health crisis

I never said you did, and I'm glad you have been educating yourself. That is always a good thing.

I've been sincere in my posts, so let me end with this: It's great that you're educating yourself, I admire that. And you're using reputable sites, which is very good. But you also need to know how to process the information you do find, and your skills are a bit weak in that area. That's where I would begin educating myself if I were you.

Thank you for the interesting conversation. You can have the last word. :)
 
Yeah. The same people who believe that a magical pixie created everything, believe everything Trump tells them. Go figure.

Scary, but that is an accurate description of our anti-science White House.

Don't worry though, God will protect us. /s

This is not good. And to make matters worse, there is no leadership in the White House.

If Trump sees political advantage, I expect he will just deny ebola is a problem. Along the lines of: "I'm a very stable genius. I know far more than those scientists and doctors who have been brainwashed with their "Leftist" educations. I heard our Dept. of Agriculture is going to release information that this is all a hoax by the Chinese. Believe me! Believe me!"

Quick! Quick! Somebody call the.....

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We were on topic. Trump is an anti-vaxxer, anti-science POTUS in a time when we need the best solutions science has to offer, vis-a-vis ebola. Or don't you think we should be searching for a scientific solution to the problem?

And if Trump tells his base that the scientist don't know what they're talking about, the base is liable to believe him. They usually do. Like they have before. So the degree of gullibility of Trump's base is also on topic.

If you took the time to actually read the posts, instead of going into an instant froth, you would realize this. Better yet, quit supporting an anti-science racist like Trump. Be part of the solution.

Do you have an answer who opened the Asian market or are you too focused on Trump?
 
A ship of fools?



Mumps, other outbreaks force U.S. detention centers to quarantine over 2,000 migrants
Mumps, other outbreaks force U.S. detention centers to quarantine over 2,000 migrants - Reuters

Skipping the previous two for the moment - looking for more data.

On this one:

"Internal emails reviewed by Reuters reveal the complications of managing outbreaks like the one at Pine Prairie, since immigrant detainees often are transferred around the country and infected people do not necessarily show symptoms of viral diseases even when they are contagious.

"Mumps can easily spread through droplets of saliva in the air, especially in close quarters. While most people recover within a few weeks, complications include brain swelling, sterility and hearing loss.



"The first cases at Pine Prairie were detected in January in four migrants who had been recently transferred from the Tallahatchie County Correctional Facility in Mississippi, according to internal emails.

"Tallahatchie, run by private detention company CoreCivic Inc, has had five confirmed cases of mumps and 18 cases of chicken pox since January, according to company spokeswoman Amanda Gilchrist. She said no one who was diagnosed was transferred out of the facility while the disease was active.



"However, vaccination rates in the countries of El Salvador, Guatemala and Honduras are above 90 percent, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. ICE detainees come from countries all over the world, with varying degrees of vaccination coverage.

"‘HIGH-PROFILE REMOVAL’

"At Pine Prairie, staff members were at times at odds with the warden about how to manage the mumps outbreak, internal emails show. The warden decided not to quarantine 40 new arrivals from Tallahatchie in February despite concerns raised by the medical staff, one email showed.

...

"In a Feb. 21 email, ICE requested that medical staff members at Pine Prairie clear a detainee quarantined for chicken pox and mumps for travel, calling him a “high-profile removal scheduled for deport.” In an email to staff later that day, warden Ramos wrote that medical staff had wanted to exclude the detainee from transfer but “ICE wants him to travel out of the country anyway ... Please ensure he leaves.”

"ICE spokesman Raedy said that travel is restricted for people who are known to be contagious but those exposed to diseases who are asymptomatic can travel."

(My emphasis - more @ the URL)

Note first of all that we have rent-a-cops handling detainees - whose directors apparently routinely overrule their medical staff on quarantine. Which says to me that like the previous case in AZ, these warehousers of bodies aren't trained nor equipped to deal with quarantine. EMTs & ERs - anybody who handles lots of body fluids, including prisons, hospitals, detention centers - should be wearing masks & rubber gloves, @ a minimum. They should also know to call for clean up of bodily fluids, vomit, etc. & know to watch for symptoms of infectious disease - if only out of self-defense.

Management of these dumping grounds apparently don't understand what a quarantine is - to manage a quarantine, no possibly contagious detainees should be moved @ all - & if they're in quarantine, the best bet & common practice is to isolate them, not pack them into crowded, stuffy aircraft or buses for hours @ a time, potentially exposing other detainees, aircrew & anyone else who comes into contact with them.

If people are not willing to step up to their responsibilities, they should be removed from positions of authority, as quickly as possible. This would all be easier to implement if actual prison/detention center administrators & staff - to include trained & licensed health personnel (doctors &/or nurses) - with actual authority over patients & quarantined detainees - were doing the job, instead of available bodies with questionable or no backgrounds in handling detainees.

In the AZ case, there were staff who were not vaccinated - that's unacceptable for working with detainees - especially since the media seem to be barking frantically that all these immigrants or would-be asylees are teeming with diseases, exotic & domestic. Did the rent-a-cops not get the memo? They don't read their local newspapers nor watch the news?
 
Will you admit you hat TB is a much bigger problem in Mexico Central and South America?

I haven't read the actual stats, but I acknowledge that TB has been a consistent bugger of a disease for the entirety of my career as an ICU RN which began in 1983.

One of the worst threats is when people fear the public health employees will turn them in to the officials. Then they go underground and have only partially treated TB which inevitably leads to the nastier resistant forms.
 
Re: A fork in the road

After 20 years of decline, tuberculosis inches up in U.S.
After 20 years of decline, tuberculosis inches up in U.S. | Star Tribune


TB Facts....
TB statistics United States | National, state & drug resistant
Foreign Born individuals responsible for 67% of all reported TB cases in the US in 2016
Top 5 Counties of origin include Mexico, the Philippines, India, Vietnam and China. In 2015, The World Health Organization announced that Tuberculosis had surpassed AIDS as the world's deadliest infectious disease.


In 2017, Tuberculosis showed up at two Fairfax County schools, so for 2018, they added mandatory tuberculosis screening as a condition of enrollment for foreign born students from Countries with high incidents of TB among their population
This included Mexico, El Salvador, Guatemala and Honduras

General Registration requirements for Fairfax County for 2018
General Registration Requirements | Fairfax County Public Schools

" Tuberculosis Screening Requirements (Not All Students)

For all students who have resided in a foreign country included on the*High TB Burden Country List,*for a consecutive period of four weeks, one of the following is required:

Evidence of a negative tuberculin skin test (TST) or Quantiferon TB Gold blood test (QFT) and a negative symptom screen completed within 90 calendar days prior to registration, certified by a licensed physician or department of health.

Evidence of a normal (negative) chest X-ray taken within 90*within 90 calendar days prior to registration.

Documentation of a negative symptom screen and risk assessment from the health department or private physician for students who present written documentation of having completed treatment for latent tuberculosis infection or TB disease. "

Ignoring a public health crisis to own the Cons...Lol. The Left has lost their minds

So the answer is no. It was never even remotely close to being eradicated,

I am curious, do you even know what eradication of a disease means?

BTW, this is eerily similar to a poster that said under Bush, AIDS was nearly eradicated.:shock:
 
Do you have an answer who opened the Asian market or are you too focused on Trump?

I don't know what it has to do with the topic, but sure, I'll bite. We're talking non-asian traders, right?

I'll go with the Roman Empire. They had traders in Canton, documented, in 165 AD.

After that Portugal, early 1500s.

Who is your pick?
 
Scary, but that is an accurate description of our anti-science White House.

Don't worry though, God will protect us. /s

That is right my man, G-d will protect us!
 
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