Minnesota Model, Halima Aden, Makes History As The 1st To Wear Burkini In Sports Illustrated Swimsu

Prof_Lunaphiles said:

That is so coooooooool!

I really feel like I am making the transition to being a more tolerant white American man - how about you?



The next thing you know - these foreigners are going to show us how to make their native countries exclusive destinations for fancy Hollywood and political types.

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Great. Sounds like we have yet another jingoistic sock from stormfront.

phattonez said:

I'm upset that it's considered racist to want to have any kind of coherent culture.

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Awesome. Then apparently this is pissing off all the right people.

I'll just sit back and enjoy my schadenfreude.

JustHanging said:

Oh, sorry, I misunderstood your post. That was my mistake.

OK, so how is it "sound advice" to let religious priests control our reproductive urges?

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:roll: No, following their advice isn't control.. it's just good advice.

cabse5 said:

I've found this tendency for some posters to just be antagonistic...even if it means posting contrary to their own posts. I need to learn to put them on ignore.

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I think if I did that the DP forums would be mostly ignore list notices.

jmotivator said:

I think if I did that the DP forums would be mostly ignore list notices.

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Yes. There is some entertainment value in retorting to some idiotic post. I've been corrected by moderators that I can't post something like: 'How stupid are you?', though.

jmotivator said:

:roll: No, following their advice isn't control.. it's just good advice.

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Sorry, I don't understand what you're saying. Everyone has control of their own reproductive urges. Religious leaders try to take that control, by saying their god doesn't want the sheep to do this, or to do that. Such as dressing sexily.

I sincerely don't understand what you think is the "sound advice" in regards to our reproductive urges. Could you please elaborate?

jmotivator said:

I think if I did that the DP forums would be mostly ignore list notices.

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Which makes me wonder how those who post 'racist', 'fascist' or 'sexist', for examples, escape moderator reprimand.

cabse5 said:

I've found this tendency for some posters to just be antagonistic...even if it means posting contrary to their own posts. I need to learn to put them on ignore.

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That's an ignorant comment. How did post I anything contrary to my own posts? I misunderstood his post, and when he pointed it out, I apologized.

Are you claiming to be perfect? That making a mistake, then apologizing for it, is the wrong thing to do?

cabse5 said:

There is entertainment value to replying to some idiotic post. I've been corrected by moderators I can't post something like: 'How stupid are you?'. Which makes me wonder how those who post racist, fascist or sexist, for examples, escape moderator reprimand.

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You're the one who gets reprimanded by the moderators, but you accuse me of making inappropriate posts.


Oh lordy.




If you learned to put together a more coherent argument you wouldn't be forced to resort to "How stupid are you?" . Just sayin'.

JustHanging said:

That's an ignorant comment. How did post anything contrary to my own posts? I misunderstood his post, and when he pointed it out, apologized.

SMH, I took you out to the woodshed once too often eh?

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:lamo Ooooh, dream weaver.....

JustHanging said:

LOL, you're the one who has been reprimanded by the moderators, but you accuse me of making inappropriate posts. :2razz:


Nothing racist, sexist, or fascist about my posts. Ever.

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You accuse others of being racist, sexist or fascist? That's called baiting and is against the rules.

cabse5 said:

Which makes me wonder how those who post 'racist', 'fascist' or 'sexist', for examples, escape moderator reprimand.

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Well, now we are moving towards discussions in private.

cabse5 said:

You accuse others of being racist, sexist or fascist?

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Nope.

That's called baiting and is against the rules.

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That's why I don't do it.

Anyways, this is way off topic. I'll let you have the last word. Have at 'er.

JustHanging said:

Sorry, I don't understand what you're saying. Everyone has control of their own reproductive urges. Religious leaders try to take that control, by saying their god doesn't want the sheep to do this, or to do that. Such as dressing sexily.

I sincerely don't understand what you think is the "sound advice" in regards to our reproductive urges. Could you please elaborate?

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I don't think you get what "control" means. :roll:

Saying that someone should dress more modestly isn't control. Saying they should not engage in premarital sex is not control, it is advice. Control would require actual forcible intervention... you know, like what Middle Eastern Countries do with women who dress like they are in a Sports Illustrated Swimsuit edition.

jmotivator said:

Well, now we are moving towards discussions in private.

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If you just look at my posts, you will see that I have done none of the things I was accused of. I did make a mistake, and I apologized for it, and corrected it. I have been respectful the entire time.

I am sincerely interested in continuing our conversation, if you don't want to, that's fine. Just let me know. Thanks in advance.

EDIT: I see your post above. Thank you for the benefit of the doubt.

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Well, now we are moving towards discussions in private.

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I understand. Can't criticize. See ya.

jmotivator said:

I don't think you get what "control" means. :roll:

Saying that someone should dress more modestly isn't control. Saying they should not engage in premarital sex is not control, it is advice.

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I don't understand why someone shouldn't engage in premarital sex. How is that good advice?

Control would require actual forcible intervention...

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Fair enough.

you know, like what Middle Eastern Countries do with women who dress like they are in a Sports Illustrated Swimsuit edition.

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Now now, it wasn't long ago that Christians were doing the same sorts of things. Actually, they still want to in some parts of the world.

phattonez said:

I'm not going to go through this point by point, but yes, obviously cultures have had interaction with each other. I'm not arguing for total insulation, where we know nothing about other cultures and don't even visit or interact with other people. Far from it. What I'm saying is that our current situation where the culture of New York is exactly the same as Los Angeles isn't vibrant.

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Now that you've lost the argument, you're moving the goalposts. Nice.

What does "vibrant" even mean? Who decides what is or is not "vibrant?" How do we measure it? What is an acceptable level of difference or "vibrancy?" What freedoms do I have to lose to satisfy your desire for a "vibrant" culture?

There's nothing unique about the places, and the culture itself is base and crude.

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"Nothing unique?" Do you really think that New York, Los Angeles, Tokyo and Lagos are identical? That rural France is the same as Chicago? You need to get out more.

Our music is soulless.

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"Soulless?" Again, what does this even mean? How do you measure it? Which music are you talking about? When was it better? Are you saying that all American music ever made is "soulless?"

By the way, I can listen to almost any piece of music ever recorded at the click of a button. If I'm willing to put up with ads, I don't even have to pay for that service. When was that possible in the past? Oh, it wasn't.

And our food? It's just Monsanto engineered junk.

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Only if you exclusively eat corn chips and ice cream.

I don't know how you missed it, but there is a lot of good fresh food available year-round, in no small part because we import lots of food. When was the Golden Age when you could have fresh watermelon and strawberries and broccoli whenever you wanted it? It was never, because that was impossible before the development and promulgation of refrigeration, large-scale transportation, and more efficient agricultural technologies.

I don't know how you can look at what's developed, compare it to the richness of art of earlier centuries, and think that we've progressed.

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It's called OPENING YOUR EYES.

The "richness of art of earlier centuries?" Guess what? That was only available to a privileged few, who could hire artisans to decorate their homes. Public museums are a relatively recent innovation (18th century).

There is no doubt whatsoever that art is more accessible by more people today than at any time in the past. Great museums are open to the public; many of those museums are putting photos of their collections online and, when possible, in the public domain; art books which catalog work throughout history and around the world are accessible with the click of a button. The same goes for books (libraries are common; books are cheap and readily available, even if you live in a remote area; public domain e-books are readily available for free), for music, for plays, for TV and movies...

You're also looking at the past with rose-colored glasses, and ignoring not only how most of society was shut out of any access to culture, but also all of the crap that we now ignore, as our museums and literature classes and opera houses generally ignore. Check out the Dahesh Museum one of these days... ugh

Would Scotch have been developed if vodka was around? That's the point.

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LOL

Yes, it would. Keep in mind that distilled spirits were invented in the Middle East, and spread to Europe starting in the 12th Century; they didn't really get a foothold in Scotland until the 15th Century. Thus, the quintessentially Scottish drink is only possible due to cultures interacting.

Similarly, the Irish developed a clear grain-and-potato-based distilled beverage called "poitín" or "potcheen" in the 16th century, after *COUGH* potatoes were imported from the New World. (Did you forget about that bit? Potatoes, the quintessentially Irish staple, is an import.) They made beer, mead, whiskey, they made distilled beverages out of whatever was available. Nor has Ireland stopped being Ireland (or stopped making whiskey or even poitin) because they can import vodka made in Russia.

The 21st century is a heaping pile of garbage and I want no part of it.

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lol

Well, unless you join the Amish, you're stuck with it. More to the point, I see no reason why 350 million Americans need to abandon their way of life, solely because you can't hack modern life.

phattonez said:

The idea that The Beatles are superior to Bruckner is a juvenile, and thus worthless opinion.

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Anton Bruckner was an Austrian composer. You are apparently an American of Cuban descent. Why are you listening to Austrian music?

phattonez said:

The 21st century is a heaping pile of garbage and I want no part of it.

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That is so sad. You have an opportunity to experience life that has never before been afforded to mankind in our entire history. Don't squander the opportunity, life is fleeting.

JustHanging said:

I don't understand why someone shouldn't engage in premarital sex. How is that good advice?

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There are numerous reasons, including reduced risk of spreading STDs, a stronger relationship and better sex. Moreover, learning to develop a reslationship with your spouse outside of sex is important in the long term because, regardless of sex drive as we age, the majority of your relationship will be spent not having sex, and it's good to find out up front if the non-sexual part of your relationship can survive on its own.

Now now, it wasn't long ago that Christians were doing the same sorts of things.

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"Wasn't long"? When was the last Christian stoning for dressing immodestly?

Actually, they still want to in some parts of the world.

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What are they controlling? :roll:

JustHanging said:

Attacking brown skinned people is a staple of existence for much of Trump's base. That's why whenever Trump wants to energize the base, his primary strategy is to attack brown skinned people. Kneeling football players, Latinos, Muslims, citizens of African countries, Mexicans, Puerto Ricans, etc. And doesn't much of the base get excited. Mmmhhmmmmm.

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Trump is doing a fine job making it acceptable and mainstream to hate non-whites and non-Christians. My colleague and friend who is Bosnian and Muslim, she told me this morning that she had to do a major house cleaning on her Social media due to the racist and vile opinions and comments popping up in her feed that have manifested somehow just in the last year.

jmotivator said:

There are numerous reasons, including reduced risk of spreading STDs, a stronger relationship and better sex. Moreover, learning to develop a reslationship with your spouse outside of sex is important in the long term because, regardless of sex drive as we age, the majority of your relationship will be spent not having sex, and it's good to find out up front if the non-sexual part of your relationship can survive on its own.

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I agree there are some benefits.

But there are also some drawbacks to denying one of homo sapiens strongest urges. (The strongest?). Just off the top of my head:

1. I never said you shouldn't wait to have sex with your eventual marital partner. That has nothing to do with fooling around in the meantime. So almost all of your argument, except the STD part, is moot.

2. Yes, you can get STDs. I agree that the only way to 100% guaranteed way to prevent that is to not have sex. But the same argument could be made about car accidents. They kill and maim, and the only 100% guaranteed way to prevent them is to never go near a car.

It doesn't make sense for cars (I think you would agree), and I don't think it makes sense for sex either. In both cases we take precautions. In both cases tragedy beyond our control can strike us dead, or permanently affect our lives.

3. Sex is great fun. Something to be enjoyed whenever the opportunity presents itself. In my case I made a vow to my wife, so it now stays within the confines of our marriage, and always has.

But darned if I didn't have a lot of fun trying out as many of Baskins Robbins 51 flavours as I could before I met my wife.

"Wasn't long"? When was the last Christian stoning for dressing immodestly?

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I'll admit I don't know. Any kind of google search leaves me with at least 1/2 million hits. But I do know that in parts of the world, Christians are still killing people based on biblical teachings as per what their priests and pastors are teaching them. So I personally believe that some women have died from dressing immodestly as well.

Christian militias in Central African Republic 'burnt witches at stake', says UN report

What are they controlling? :roll:

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Well, in the above case, it sounds like literally people's lives. What do you think?

And a number of Christian leaders believe gays should be put to death. Again, not quite immodesty, but it is all about controlling people's sexual urges. Pretty sure I can find examples of Christians killing/stoning gays to death in recent times. What do you think?

HenryChinaski said:

Trump is doing a fine job making it acceptable and mainstream to hate non-whites and non-Christians. My colleague and friend who is Bosnian and Muslim, she told me this morning that she had to do a major house cleaning on her Social media due to the racist and vile opinions and comments popping up in her feed that have manifested somehow just in the last year.

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Unfortunately some people think this is a good thing.

So far Vancouver is holding strong against the racists. I went for a walk along the sea wall a couple of nights ago, and there were a lot more ethnically mixed groups than ethnically pure groups.

Especially among the kids, there nobody gives a **** about skin colour or religion, it's all about similar interests and finding people enjoy being with. I have great hope for this next generation. I think their experience growing up with world wide communications is going to finally put racism to bed where it belongs.

WOMEN, LISTEN CLOSELY AND CAREFULLY:

Humans are visual beings. The normal reaction of seeing someone of the opposite sex is that they want to be with them, unless, of course, if they view them as unattractive (which is also normal). Everyone has their view of beauty and it's in the eye of the beholder. So if a skinny person gets hooked up with a fat person because they're into each other, great, couldn't be happier for them. If a pretty face gets hooked up with an ugly face, hey, they saw pass that. That's what you call "beauty is on the inside, not the out."

NOW, with that said, most people want someone who is good looking or at least takes care of their bodies. However, some of those people will never get that hot looking person. I won't get into that, but I think you get the point. Anyway, those people will turn to magazines and stuff online to check out good looking super models. In their minds, just because they can't have someone, they can at least look at the goods. Stuff like Sports Illustrated's Swim Suit Editions will typically have the most beautiful people in the world half naked. A very small number of people might use it as material on how these people get fit, but the rest of the crowd only looks at it to see the beautiful people. Typically, it's men that gets hold of these magazines because, believe or not, men love beautiful women and they want to see boobs, butts, legs, holiest of holes, fit bods, pretty faces, and flowing hair on top of their heads. They realize it's not porn, but at least they're half naked and leaves little to the imagination. That's the purpose, to see lots of bare skin on the human body. Women want to see as much bare skin on good looking men, who have very fit, muscular bodies, as possible. Please continue to follow.

This brings us to this chick, Halima Aden. I won't lie (and many other guys would agree), she has a pretty face. Nothing wrong there. However, despite that the swim suit is skin tight and that we can tell that she has a well kept body, that's not good enough for men. Besides the face, hands, and feet, there's no bare skin nor is the hair out, and that's the reason why they subscribe to SI so they can see the women with the 2 piece swim suits. This is a major let down to them. On top of that, there might be women out there that might actually use these swim suit editions as source material to help tone their bodies. Not just the build of the body, but the texture of the skin. That would be reasonable for women who want better bodies than what they have now. One reason is because they want a man. Pretty straight forward and needs no explanation. The other reason is for health. They could have a skin condition that they need controlled. Others involving weight, diabetes, high blood pressure, and other medical conditions. Women are more self conscious about their bodies than what men are. Many fit women, especially these models in previous editions, are happy with the bodies they have because they worked hard to get the bodies they want, and they reap the benefits that comes with fit bodies.

I'm not saying the lust of the flesh is a good thing, nor am I saying stuff like those swim suit magazines and porn are good things. However, urges are there, and when it comes to getting a mate/spouse, there has to be a level of physical attractiveness. For something like the SI: Swim Suit editions, who pride themselves on showing off what the human body can look like if they take care of themselves properly, physical attraction needs to be there. This burkini stuff doesn't cut it. Honestly, telling a woman who has a great bod and sporting a 2 piece bikini on the beach to cover up in way or another in it of itself is oppressive to women's rights. Let them show it off if they want to. If this Aden wants to cover up, go ahead, but don't expect to get the work you're looking for because the super model industry prides itself with not only pretty faces but great, bare skin bods.