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Shooting reported near San Diego-area synagogue

apdst said:
The type of weapon is irrelevant. Getting these nut jobs off the street is the real solution.
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No civilized western nation would allow a 19 year old to easily obtain an Assault Rifle....
 
Jetboogieman said:
Sometimes I wonder... will God ever forgive us for what we've done to each other? Then I look around and I realize... God left this place a long time ago. - Blood Diamond
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You're comparing The United States to Sierra Leon? :lamo
 
Saladin4 said:
No civilized western nation would allow a 19 year old to easily obtain an Assault Rifle....
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In case you didn't know it, it's already illegal for a person under the age of 21 to buy a gun in California. Maybe they should raise the limit to 30, or hell 50! That'll stop 19 y/o's from buying a gun, by golly!!
 
Saladin4 said:
But he could easily get an a Military Grade Assault Rifle instead.....Thanks to the Gun Nuts and the NRA
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"Assault Rifle" is a potentially vague term, as is "Military Grade".

In the case of the AR-15, it's a civilian-legal firearm modified from what the military uses to remove the select-fire function/feature (automatic and burst fire modes).
So far as I understand, apart from those modifications it's the same firearm, so I suppose "military grade" is apt enough.

An AR-15 isn't an assault rifle, at least as that phrase is defined technically.
It doesn't have select fire, but as I already said, that's the only difference between it and an "assault rifle".

Of course, the specifics depend on who manufactured it, but I'm fairly sure select-fire (which includes automatic fire) firearms are illegal for civilian use if manufactured after 1986.

So, technically, assault weapons manufactured after 1986 have been illegal since that year, and owning older ones requires much paperwork and consequently they are relatively quite expensive and hard to get.
 
JustHanging said:
Trump really is the embodiment of his base's values and principles, isn't he.
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IMHO the US has been headed for this for decades. Trump just played on the division, he did not create it, he did expand it, it was already there, and he played it.

Lincoln spoke to a House divided, the US is divided
 
The Mark said:
"Assault Rifle" is a potentially vague term, as is "Military Grade".

In the case of the AR-15, it's a civilian-legal firearm modified from what the military uses to remove the select-fire function/feature (automatic and burst fire modes).
So far as I understand, apart from those modifications it's the same firearm, so I suppose "military grade" is apt enough.

An AR-15 isn't an assault rifle, at least as that phrase is defined technically.
It doesn't have select fire, but as I already said, that's the only difference between it and an "assault rifle".

Of course, the specifics depend on who manufactured it, but I'm fairly sure select-fire (which includes automatic fire) firearms are illegal for civilian use if manufactured after 1986.

So, technically, assault weapons manufactured after 1986 have been illegal since that year, and owning older ones requires much paperwork and consequently they are relatively quite expensive and hard to get.
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Your description is convoluted there. Simple technicalities of "Select fire" buttons don't separate the weapon from its original design purpose and that's why these things are the weapons of choice for such shooters.
 
JANFU said:
IMHO the US has been headed for this for decades. Trump just played on the division, he did not create it, he did expand it, it was already there, and he played it.

Lincoln spoke to a House divided, the US is divided
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Looks like I called it:

As the suspect fled the scene, an off-duty U.S. Border Patrol agent who was in the synagogue at the time of the shooting opened fire on the suspect, missing the man but striking his vehicle, San Diego County Sheriff Bill Gore said.

1 Dead, 3 Injured in Synagogue Shooting in Poway, Deputies Detain Suspect - NBC 7 San Diego
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Fledermaus said:
An AR15 is not a "Military Grade Weapon"
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Again, NO western Nation would allow an 19 year to easily obtain this weapon....The Civilized world considers it a Military Grade Weapon, that civilians should not be allowed to possess
 
Saladin4 said:
But he could easily get an a Military Grade Assault Rifle instead.....Thanks to the Gun Nuts and the NRA
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Constitution, Schmonstitution.
 
apdst said:
The type of weapon is irrelevant. Getting these nut jobs off the street is the real solution.
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How do you propose doing that?

What is a "nut?"

Can a "nut's" future actions be predicted?
 
apdst said:
In case you didn't know it, it's already illegal for a person under the age of 21 to buy a gun in California. Maybe they should raise the limit to 30, or hell 50! That'll stop 19 y/o's from buying a gun, by golly!!
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Your Gun Nut pals in the NRA are actually suing the state...To make it easier...Assholes
 
3leftsdoo said:
It's possible that this engagement INCREASED injury.
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Seeing how there were only four casualties, and only one of which was DOA, I'm going to have to disagree.
 
Jetboogieman said:
Sometimes I wonder... will God ever forgive us for what we've done to each other? Then I look around and I realize... God left this place a long time ago. - Blood Diamond
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G∞d may just be moving in mysterious ways rather than having moved away; who can say?
 
3leftsdoo said:
How do you propose doing that?

What is a "nut?"

Can a "nut's" future actions be predicted?
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Anyone too dangerous to own a gun is too dangerous not to be in the jailhouse.
 
jet57 said:
Your description is convoluted there. Simple technicalities of "Select fire" buttons don't separate the weapon from its original design purpose and that's why these things are the weapons of choice for such shooters.
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They do though.
It's not an assault rifle unless it has select fire, technically.
It's based on a military assault rifle, which was redesigned to remove the select-fire function (burst or automatic), making it just a semi-automatic magazine fed rifle.
 
lurchadams said:
No, learn to read. 19% are unidentified. The majority are white males.

Nice try to support the lie, though.
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Extrapolating a little too much. From the Hate Crime Statistics:

Of the 6,370 known offenders:
•50.7% were White
•21.3% were Black or African American
•19.1% race unknown
Other races accounted for the remaining known offenders.
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The "other races" mentioned would be 8.9% and the race unknown is 19.1%, that leaves 28% of the total unaccounted for as to race or minority status. That can skew the figure quite a bit but, given if all fell to the non-white side that would leave white at 50.7% and non-white at 49.3%. So the majority "white" would still flush out at a 1.4% lead.

If you had said the majority were white and quit at that you would have been correct but, nothing denotes the sex of the offenders, so your "white male" accusation is your own confirmation bias.
 
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