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    Re: Boston-area judge charged with helping undocumented immigrant escape courthouse to elude ICE

    Quote Originally Posted by Napoleon View Post
    This wasn’t about the alleged aliases. The ICE warrant was outstanding from a previous DUI arrest in another State. The prosecutor looked at the mugshot from that arrest and agreed the defendant was not the same person. ICE has a pretty extensive history of detaining the wrong person, even US citizens, for months and even years so it seems they let the man go because all three (defense attorney, prosecutor, and judge) agreed that ICE was trying to detain the wrong person.

    I never said it was about alleged aliases, just that he went under various names.

    By the way, I read somewhere that ICE identified him by his fingerprints.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chomsky View Post
    Can you see why I have concerns over possible Trump intimidation?

    Not proof, obviously; but concerns.
    Is your concern because she is being charged or is it the way it was executed?

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    Re: Boston-area judge charged with helping undocumented immigrant escape courthouse to elude ICE

    Quote Originally Posted by Barnacle View Post
    I never said it was about alleged aliases, just that he went under various names.

    By the way, I read somewhere that ICE identified him by his fingerprints.
    This is the same ICE that was absolutely certain they’d ID’d an undocumented immigrant who would turn out to be an American citizen they illegally imprisoned for over 3 years?

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    Re: Boston-area judge charged with helping undocumented immigrant escape courthouse to elude ICE

    Quote Originally Posted by trouble13 View Post
    Is your concern because she is being charged or is it the way it was executed?

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    A little of both.

    But you know, we really don't know enough to make any decisions. So it's getting kinda' hypothetical. But I do think it's an important story.
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    Re: Boston-area judge charged with helping undocumented immigrant escape courthouse to elude ICE

    Quote Originally Posted by Chomsky View Post
    It very well may be a crime, or it may be nothing.

    But in order to maintain the integrity and independence of the court, I'd first like to see some form of inquiry, before busting into court with a warrant, as long as the situation is not one of immediate physical danger.

    There was an investigation ... hence one of the counts in the indictment is "perjury".

    https://assets.documentcloud.org/doc...Indictment.pdf
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    Re: Boston-area judge charged with helping undocumented immigrant escape courthouse to elude ICE

    Quote Originally Posted by Barnacle View Post
    There was an investigation ... hence one of the counts in the indictment is "perjury".

    https://assets.documentcloud.org/doc...Indictment.pdf
    Fair enough. It appears from the indictment that the Judge's assistant did indeed appear before a Grand Jury, and was subsequently charged with perjuring himself in connection with that appearance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chomsky View Post
    A little of both.

    But you know, we really don't know enough to make any decisions. So it's getting kinda' hypothetical. But I do think it's an important story.
    Because we are talking about this i did a little research and found the charging document.

    Massachusetts District Court Judge and Court Officer Indicted for Obstruction of Justice | USAO-MA | Department of Justice

    Some things in it jump out at me

    An ice agent shows up there and she instructs him that he may not be in her courtroom. She tells him to wait out in the lobby and if she releases him he will exit through that lobby.

    She then turns off the court recorder and concots a plan to release him through a different exit.

    Innocent until proven guility but that sounds bad.

    What i am still looking for is an article on how the arrest warrant was served. It says she was indicted in frint of a grandjury but i have not found any information on is she showed up voluntarily or they physically arrested her. Nor have i found anything about if she is in jail or bail was set or if she is suspended from the bench.

    From what i read so far i do not share your concerns about intimidation but there are a lot of questions that i still have.

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    Ftr... i am always concerned about excessive use of force and intimidation by our justice dept. Everyone should be.

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    Re: Boston-area judge charged with helping undocumented immigrant escape courthouse to elude ICE

    Quote Originally Posted by trouble13 View Post
    Because we are talking about this i did a little research and found the charging document.

    Massachusetts District Court Judge and Court Officer Indicted for Obstruction of Justice | USAO-MA | Department of Justice

    Some things in it jump out at me

    An ice agent shows up there and she instructs him that he may not be in her courtroom. She tells him to wait out in the lobby and if she releases him he will exit through that lobby.

    She then turns off the court recorder and concots a plan to release him through a different exit.

    Innocent until proven guility but that sounds bad.

    What i am still looking for is an article on how the arrest warrant was served. It says she was indicted in frint of a grandjury but i have not found any information on is she showed up voluntarily or they physically arrested her. Nor have i found anything about if she is in jail or bail was set or if she is suspended from the bench.

    From what i read so far i do not share your concerns about intimidation but there are a lot of questions that i still have.

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    Ftr... i am always concerned about excessive use of force and intimidation by our justice dept. Everyone should be.

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    Typically, there is some lag (delay) between grand jury indictment and the serving of the arrest warrant. Once arrested for a non-violent offense bail is usually posted and the alleged perp is not locked up pending the trial date which can be months away.
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    Re: Boston-area judge charged with helping undocumented immigrant escape courthouse to elude ICE

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Typically, there is some lag (delay) between grand jury indictment and the serving of the arrest warrant. Once arrested for a non-violent offense bail is usually posted and the alleged perp is not locked up pending the trial date which can be months away.
    Thats fine but the question raised is if im concerned that she is being intimidated. So far i am not concerned but those details are missing still. If it turns out the feds are waterboarding jer i may change my mind about if she is being intimidated

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    Re: Boston-area judge charged with helping undocumented immigrant escape courthouse to elude ICE

    Quote Originally Posted by trouble13 View Post
    Because we are talking about this i did a little research and found the charging document.

    Massachusetts District Court Judge and Court Officer Indicted for Obstruction of Justice | USAO-MA | Department of Justice

    Some things in it jump out at me

    An ice agent shows up there and she instructs him that he may not be in her courtroom. She tells him to wait out in the lobby and if she releases him he will exit through that lobby.

    She then turns off the court recorder and concots a plan to release him through a different exit.

    Innocent until proven guility but that sounds bad.

    What i am still looking for is an article on how the arrest warrant was served. It says she was indicted in frint of a grandjury but i have not found any information on is she showed up voluntarily or they physically arrested her. Nor have i found anything about if she is in jail or bail was set or if she is suspended from the bench.

    From what i read so far i do not share your concerns about intimidation but there are a lot of questions that i still have.

    PS
    Ftr... i am always concerned about excessive use of force and intimidation by our justice dept. Everyone should be.

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    Agreed!
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