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Franklin Graham blasts Buttigieg for being gay

OlNate said:
Who's "skeered" of Graham? Seems most people just want him to STFU... :shrug: What, he's allowed to have an opinion, but others are not? Graham thinks Buttigieg shouldn't talk so much about being gay. I think Graham shouldn't talk so much period... Guess what...at the end of the day it's just a bunch of people flipping each other off, nothing more important or controversial than that. On to the next brawl over people who put way too much value on their own opinion... :lol:
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The anti-Christian bigotry is overflowing from this thread. Seems to be plenty of Christphobes.

I think Graham shouldn't talk so much period.
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Well, don't vote for him when he runs for office.
 
apdst said:
Then stop being so skeered of Graham.
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I'm not scared of hypocrites who only select certain things to be morally superior about.

Also, did it hurt when his gayness was thrown in your face? Just wondering so I can prepare if someone's gayness does happen to land on my face.
 
HumblePi said:
Sanctimonious conservatives conveniently forget something that Jesus Christ preached to his disciples. From Matthew; "Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again." People push the scripture passages they don't like to hear to the background of their conscious mind and bring forward the texts and quotations that portray a vengeful, judgmental God, one that punishes those they personally despise. All men are created equal in the judgement of Thomas Jefferson. Not just a hand-chosen few, but all men.
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Yet, you want to say who's a good Christian and who isn't. :lamo

Oh, the irony! :lamo
 
Lovebug said:
Why is it ok for Buttigieg to criticize Christians, but not for Christians to respond? Pence did so in a very respectful manner, and Graham speaks the truth has he sees it. He isn't "blasting" the candidate, he is giving an opinion. That is still allowed, is it not?
The mayor would be wise to win votes by being as respectful as he wishes to be treated.
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I think you know the answer to your question. ;)
 
americanwoman said:
I'm not scared of hypocrites who only select certain things to be morally superior about.

Also, did it hurt when his gayness was thrown in your face? Just wondering so I can prepare if someone's gayness does happen to land on my face.
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You're highly accepting of it, actually.
 
apdst said:
The anti-Christian bigotry is overflowing from this thread. Seems to be plenty of Christphobes.



Well, don't vote for him when he runs for office.
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Meh...I'm a Christian, and I think he should STFU too. :shrug: He misrepresents huge numbers of us with this BS.

If I had the option, I wouldn't vote for him...but that wouldn't negate my right to talk as much **** about him as I like....so I'm not sure where you're going with the whole "Well, don't vote for him then" bit... Can you explain your point there?
 
Lovebug said:
Why is it ok for Buttigieg to criticize Christians, but not for Christians to respond? Pence did so in a very respectful manner, and Graham speaks the truth has he sees it. He isn't "blasting" the candidate, he is giving an opinion. That is still allowed, is it not?
The mayor would be wise to win votes by being as respectful as he wishes to be treated.
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The Left wing double standard.
 
OlNate said:
Meh...I'm a Christian, and I think he should STFU too. :shrug: He misrepresents huge numbers of us with this BS.

If I had the option, I wouldn't vote for him...but that wouldn't negate my right to talk as much **** about him as I like....so I'm not sure where you're going with the whole "Well, don't vote for him then" bit... Can you explain your point there?
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Is homosexuality a sin?
 
One of the better speeches from West Wing:

Bartlet: Good. I like your show. I like how you call homosexuality an "abomination."
Jacobs: I don't say homosexuality is an abomination, Mr. President. The Bible does.
Bartlet: Yes it does. Leviticus.
Jacobs: 18:22.
Bartlet: Chapter and verse. I wanted to ask you a couple of questions while I had you here. I'm interested in selling my youngest daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. She's a Georgetown sophomore, speaks fluent Italian, always cleared the table when it was her turn. What would a good price for her be? (Pause) While thinking about that, can I ask another? My chief of staff, Leo McGarry, insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly says he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself, or is it okay to call the police? Here's one that's really important, because we've got a lot of sports fans in this town. Touching the skin of a dead pig makes one unclean. Leviticus 11:7. If they promise to wear gloves, can the Washington Redskins still play football? Can Notre Dame? Can West Point? Does the whole town really have to be together to stone my brother John for planting different crops side by side? Can I burn my mother in a small family gathering for wearing garments made from two different threads? Think about those questions, would you? One last thing. While you may be mistaking this for your monthly meeting of the Ignorant Tight-Ass Club, in this building when the president stands, nobody sits.
 
OlNate said:
Not my call...ask God. Our job is to love each other.

Are you a Christian, Ap?
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The Bible says it is, so the Lord has already made that call.

Yes, I am a Christian and a sinner. We're all sinners.
 
Lovebug said:
Why is it ok for Buttigieg to criticize Christians, but not for Christians to respond? Pence did so in a very respectful manner, and Graham speaks the truth has he sees it. He isn't "blasting" the candidate, he is giving an opinion. That is still allowed, is it not?
The mayor would be wise to win votes by being as respectful as he wishes to be treated.
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Pete Buttegieg called out Pence's hypocrisy, he didn't criticize. He questioned the moral authority of evangelicals like Mike Pence who remain silent about President Trump’s personal conduct yet disapprove of same-sex marriages and oppose gay rights.

Last week after being asked by a reporter if he thought being gay was a choice, he simply ignored the question and turned and walked away. In an interview with CNBC last week, Mike Pence said: "My family and I have a view of marriage that’s informed by our faith,” Mr. Pence said. “But that doesn’t mean that we’re — that we’re critical of anyone else who has a different point of view.”

That's shear hypocrisy on the part of Mike Pence. He has a proven track record of freely criticizing gays and lesbians. He has even suggested that they could become straight if they were sent for ''conversion therapy", whatever the hell that means.
 
Airyaman said:
I just don't see where Graham is wrong. Homosexuality, particularly of the male variety, is an abomination according to the Christian bible.
There really is no way to get around it
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So are witches who practice withcraft.

And those who work on the sabbath must be stoned to death
 
Airyaman said:
OK? Do we have a witch running for president? Not sure what this response is supposed to convey
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My point is if you Christians are gonna follow the Bible 100% you must also, besides condemning gays, condemn witches, psychics and those who work on sundays.

That covers pretty much the entire US population.

Have you ever worked on sundays?? I suspect you probably have.
Maybe did a little gardening or some other yard work??
 
apdst said:
The Bible says it is, so the Lord has already made that call.

Yes, I am a Christian and a sinner. We're all sinners.
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Does it, though? Apparently interpretation plays on this issue, just like so many others, and people smarter than both of us have tackled this one from both sides.

If you're a Christian, than you know that we are told that we will never understand the whole picture in this life. Which is why, for those of us not wishing to show our asses, when it comes to claims about knowing the mind of God, we ought to focus on what Jesus says is the most important commandment - to love God and each other. Honestly, that's a tough enough job on it's own, without having to figure out who God condemns.

That's pretty fundamental stuff, Ap. You'd think a guy like Graham would know that.
 
Desert Storm said:
My point is if you Christians are gonna follow the Bible 100% you must also, besides condemning gays, condemn witches, psychics and those who work on sundays.

That covers pretty much the entire US population.

Have you ever worked on sundays?? I suspect you probably have.
Maybe did a little gardening or some other yard work??
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Hey, I'm not here to point out how religionists pick and choose which parts of their holy books they like to follow. I'm just pointing out that the bible does chime in on homosexuality. What they do with the rest of it is up to them.
 
OlNate said:
Does it, though? Apparently interpretation plays on this issue, just like so many others, and people smarter than both of us have tackled this one from both sides.

If you're a Christian, than you know that we are told that we will never understand the whole picture in this life. Which is why, for those of us not wishing to show our asses, when it comes to claims about knowing the mind of God, we ought to focus on what Jesus says is the most important commandment - to love God and each other. Honestly, that's a tough enough job on it's own, without having to figure out who God condemns.

That's pretty fundamental stuff, Ap. You'd think a guy like Graham would know that.
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Yes, it does.
 
HumblePi said:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...g-being-gay/?tid=ss_tw&utm_term=.cb48b121e6ff

‘Not something to be flaunted, praised or politicized’: Franklin Graham blasts Buttigieg for being gay.

In his effort to push through the crowded room of 2020 Democratic presidential candidates, Pete Buttigieg, the gay mayor of South Bend, Ind., has regularly brought up his Christian faith and his experience balancing scripture with his sexuality.

“It can be challenging to be a person of faith who’s also part of the LGBTQ community and yet, to me, the core of faith is regard for one another,” the candidate said at a CNN town hall on Monday. “And part of God’s love is experienced, according to my faith tradition, is in the way that we support one another and, in particular, support the least among us.”

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And yet once more, the self-righteous right Christian conservatives show how utterly ignorant and homophobic they are. It was only a matter of time that someone was going to judge Pete Buttigieg for his sexuality and shouldn't be a surprise that it's the son of Billy Graham to do it first. Franklin Graham actually stated that Pete Buttigieg 'should repent' for being gay.
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He's the clown that sees fit to issue Trump mulligans whenever Trump is caught being Trump?

This American Christianity thing is sooooo believable. I know they aren't all like this, but many are and that includes the ones with power and money.
 
OlNate said:
As a Christian, I can only say that Franklin Graham has way more political influence and involvement than someone claiming to work for God should have.
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He works for power and money. That's God to these people. They have exposed themselves.
 
<alt>doxygen said:
He's the clown that sees fit to issue Trump mulligans whenever Trump is caught being Trump?

This American Christianity thing is sooooo believable. I know they aren't all like this, but many are and that includes the ones with power and money.
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Using their Christian faith as a weapon is despicable. That's not what any true religion teaches. Those with power and money use it even more in order to get those so-called Christians behind them to support and justify their immoralities such as defending a man like Trump, who is completely devoid of any moral compass.
 
OlNate said:
As a Christian, I can only say that Franklin Graham has way more political influence and involvement than someone claiming to work for God should have.
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