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Franklin Graham blasts Buttigieg for being gay

calamity said:
Few people discredit American Christianity as effectively as Frankie Boy.
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Oh, I don't know. American Evangelicals and Fundamentalists are doing a great job of that. A huge percentage support Trump, a man who is the antithesis of everything they said they believed in. All Trump had to do was blow the racist dog whistle, and it was liking watching a well trained dog come to heel.
 
VanceMack said:
Sin is sin. The reality for leftists is that you cant just pretend homosexuality is NOT 'sin' just because acknowledging the truth is uncomfortable.
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Can you tell me why anyone should care what an almost certainly imaginary being, concocted a couple of millennia ago, thinks about anything?

Unless you have some actual evidence that supernatural beings exist? I'll take evidence for any of them, Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny, Yahweh, Spiderman Mohhamed, Jack Frost, Superman, Krishna, Dumbledore, you name it. Just one.

Other than a book, of course. Because then Santa, the Easter Bunny, Jack Frost, Krishna, Spiderman and Harry Potter just got real. ;)
 
dixon01767 said:
13By calling this covenant "new," he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and aging will soon disappear.
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Wrong.

Matthew 5:18: For verily I say unto you, Till. heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

There are only a couple of ways out: Claim Jesus was lying, or the bible got it wrong. Or try to claim the words don't mean what they say, and Yahweh is incapable of communicating at the same level as a modern middle school student.
 
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dixon01767 said:
That's not capitalism. Capitalism involves the mutually agreed to exchange of goods and services. You can blame capitalist for deaths in capitalist factories, just not as much as you could blame the socialists and communists. But stealing another countries gold has nothing to do with capitalism.
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You cannot exclude the actions of capitalist countries indulging in empire. You cannot exclude every single person who died in our proxy wars with communism. Both sides.

Many of the worlds great fortunes were won on the backs of the colonized. By capitalists. At great expense in blood and suffering on the part of those colonialized.

If you are a capitalist country and you kill people to further your economy, those deaths are attributable to capitalism. Capitalism is four hundred or so years old. That's a lot of time to kill people.

Colonial empires just turn a blind eye to the death and suffering of those they colonize. Pretending that because all that death and suffering is only happening to "savages" someplace else that it doesn't count.

The American revolution involved the actions of the Dutch east Indies corporation with the backing of England. So all those deaths can be attributed to capitalism as root cause or at least impetus.
 
apdst said:
Like I said, it destroys your narrative.

Especially when your source blaims WW2, The Cold War and Vietnam on capitalism.
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Funny how you want to define things the way you like

That's OK. Other people read my cite.

You are always most useful as a foil.
 
What if...? said:
Funny how you want to define things the way you like

That's OK. Other people read my cite.

You are always most useful as a foil.
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WW2, Korea, The Cold War and Vietnam were literally waged against socialism/communism. Without the socialists and the communists, those wars wouldn't have even happened.
 
apdst said:
WW2, Korea, The Cold War and Vietnam were literally waged against socialism/communism. Without the socialists and the communists, those wars wouldn't have even happened.
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None of the enemies we fought in WW2 were Socialists or Communists.
 
Jredbaron96 said:
None of the enemies we fought in WW2 were Socialists or Communists.
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The Germans and Japanese both were socialists. That argument is irrelevant, because WW2 wasn't started by capitalism. Capitalism had zilch to do with why the war was fought. Neither the Germans, nor the Japanese were trying to spread capitalism throughout the globe.
 
Jredbaron96 said:
None of the enemies we fought in WW2 were Socialists or Communists.
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The alt-right's revisionist history in an attempt to justify racist behavior.

We're supposed to believe these people were Hillary supporters:

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apdst said:
The Germans and Japanese both were socialists.
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Yeah, sure. The Imperialist, Nationalist fascist states were Socialist. That's why they both joined the Anti-Comintern Pact.
 
Jredbaron96 said:
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Yeah, sure. The Imperialist, Nationalist fascist states were Socialist. That's why they both joined the Anti-Comintern Pact.
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They sure as hell weren't capitalists, nor were they trying to keep the world safe for democracy.

The Nazis didn't call themselves National Socialists on accident.
 
JustHanging said:
The alt-right's revisionist history in an attempt to justify racist behavior.

We're supposed to believe these people were Hillary supporters:

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Those are photos from WW2?
 
apdst said:
They sure as hell weren't capitalists, nor were they trying to keep the world safe for democracy.
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You're right, they weren't capitalists. They're fascists, it's almost like Fascism is considered some kind of third way between communism and capitalist democracy.

The Nazis didn't call themselves National Socialists on accident.
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North Korea also calls itself the Democratic People's Republic of Korea. Do you really think North Korea is a democracy, or that it's for the people?

For the record, National Socialist German Workers Party is nothing but a conglomeration of terms designed to appeal to as mass of an audience as possible. It's like saying Conservative Liberal Progressive Traditionalist Party.
 
trouble13 said:
Not for nothing but why shouldn't he be judged on his sexual oreintation. He brings his sexuality up more than anyone. It sorta makes it fair game as much as someones faith is fair game when they campaign on it.

If being gay does not matter than the left should stop use it as a selling point.

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Wow. Just wow. We will when straight politicians stop bringing out their charming, beautiful and intelligent spouses at every campaign stop and in every photo op and using them as humorous relief in their campaign stump speeches. As if that is not exploitive enough, they add their adult kids or sometimes their minor kids, to the mix as further evidence of their straight conquest and fertility.
 
Jredbaron96 said:
You're right, they weren't capitalists. They're fascists, it's almost like Fascism is considered some kind of third way between communism and capitalist democracy.



North Korea also calls itself the Democratic People's Republic of Korea. Do you really think North Korea is a democracy, or that it's for the people?

For the record, National Socialist German Workers Party is nothing but a conglomeration of terms designed to appeal to as mass of an audience as possible. It's like saying Conservative Liberal Progressive Traditionalist Party.
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That's was the point I was making to begin with. Thank you!
 
btthegreat said:
Wow. Just wow. We will when straight politicians stop bringing out their charming, beautiful and intelligent spouses at every campaign stop and in every photo op and using them as humorous relief in their campaign stump speeches. As if that is not exploitive enough, they add their adult kids or sometimes their minor kids, to the mix as further evidence of their straight conquest and fertility.
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Its fair game to criticize them as well. You guys are making mountains out of ant hills.

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Jredbaron96 said:
You're right, they weren't capitalists. They're fascists, it's almost like Fascism is considered some kind of third way between communism and capitalist democracy.
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Apart from, not between. Think of a simple line, with the political center in the middle, the far left at one end with communism there, and the far right at another. Fascism is at the far right.

In economic terms, the Nazis borrowed from some socialist practices, mostly in an effort to retool the economy to a war footing, which cannot be done without a certain amount of state direction. Ideologically however, they were nationalists first. As you pointed out with North Korea, just because a country or party puts an adjective in its title doesn't make it so. The National Socialists were not all that socialist; the DPRK is not democratic; the USSR were not really republics and the PRC is not run by its people.

But back to gay haters: Graham is a pig. Like all titles, 'Christian' as well appears to be an adjective with a very subjective meaning these days. Christ himself might have been a bit queer - he certainly spent a lot of time with twelve strapping lads...
 
VanceMack said:
So your excuse of a sinner running on sin is "well...the OTHER guy..."

If you can cite even one example of Trump proudly declaring and promoting his sins as a Christian promotion...you would have a point. But you cant...and you know that. All you are bent on is the leftist hatred of conservatives...as you and your type always have been. When democrats said..."ummm...no...we dont support gay marriage" you folk ran to the polls and voted for them without uttering a ****ing word. When conservatives said "ummm...no...we dont support gay marriage" You **** yourself and shrieked "BIGOT!!! HOMOPHOBE!! WE HATE YOU!!!!! ARRRRRRGGGGGHHHH!!!!

This discussion is just more of the same for you. And you know it.
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OK wait as second. A man can literally be the most unChristian president in American history and that is OK so long as he doesn't make it part of his political platform......

That is quite the rationalization you have going. Moreover, it's not a Biblical position for you to have.

"It is an abomination to kings to do evil, for the throne is established by righteousness." -Proverbs 16:12

"If a ruler listens to falsehood, all his officials will be wicked." -Proverbs 29:12

"Pride goes before destruction, and a haughty spirit before a fall." -Proverbs 16:18

"The saying is trustworthy: If anyone aspires to the office of overseer, he desires a noble task. Therefore an overseer must be above reproach, the husband of one wife, sober-minded, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, able to teach," - Timothy 3:1-2 . (this passage alone disqualifies Trump from political leadership)

Of course there are tons of verses along those lines. There is nothing even remotely biblical about support a man like Trump for any position of leadership, yet you all do.

However, Mayor Pete is gay and you are quick to point out that is a sin. Never mind the fact that even with him being gay, by any measure he lives his life more biblically than the president you support.

"How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me remove that splinter from your eye,’ while the wooden beam is in your eye?
You hypocrite! First, remove the beam out of your own eye, and then you can see clearly to remove the speck out of your brother’s eye." -Matthew 7:4-5

Trump is your wooden beam.
 
nota bene said:
Here is David French's take, which concludes with:

Franklin Graham is under fire today. He should be. His double standards have cost the church. This mistake should not define him — he has done much good and preached the Gospel faithfully for many years — but it should grieve him. Through his blatant hypocrisy, he has earned his critics’ wrath. Franklin Graham & Lost Evangelical Witness: Transactional Approach to Politics Hurts Church | National Review
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It wasn't a "mistake" and it does define him.
 
apdst said:
WW2, Korea, The Cold War and Vietnam were literally waged against socialism/communism. Without the socialists and the communists, those wars wouldn't have even happened.
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Technically, without our very active disproval of them expanding their territory. Their resources and labor. The kinds of things capitalism relies on. Territory we wanted to keep open for...wait for it....Capitalism!

I am not anti-capitalist per se, I just flatly reject the notion it has no warts, has done no wrong, CAN do Jo wrong. Or that it cannot and has not jlbeen in the past or currently hijacked and exploited by the few at the expense of the many.

And that includes all the examples of what you call "socialism" but upon examination appear to he just the scam some folk used to get the masses to go along with them seizing power.

I have seen no evidence whatsoever of any efforts to actually create a workers paradise by the vanguard. Quite the opposite, in fact. Can you cite any act by the Party that looked like any intent to dissolve the vanguard anywhere where "communism" reigned at any point? Or just normal human efforts to gain and maintain power and status?
 
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