Page 10 of 28 FirstFirst ... 8910111220 ... LastLast
Results 91 to 100 of 279

Thread: Giuliani: Nothing wrong with getting information from Russians

  1. #91
    Sensational

    joko104's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2009
    Location
    Paradise
    Last Seen
    @
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    40,805
    Blog Entries
    3

    Re: Giuliani: Nothing wrong with getting information from Russians

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigerace117 View Post
    Which does not change the fact that Russia has been an enemy. It was certainly an enemy as the USSR, and Putin has made it pretty clear that while the cost of paint has changed, and Russia has been stripped of its empire, their hostility has not.

    And yes, Stalin actively collaborating with Hitler certainly is relevant. The fact that they unjustifiably and despicably attacked Poland to support the Axis is despicable.

    Your historical ignorance is truly astounding.
    Your messages are stunningly ignorant. Yeah, Stalin collaborated with Hitler PRIOR to the USA being in WW2. The USA collaborated with China's MAO against Japan prior to and during WW2. The USA collaborated with Japan against MAO and China after WW2. Many sides and alliances changed before, during and after WW2. Your diversion for truth is just that, a ranting diversion.

    You and he got caught is a stupid factually false claim that Russia has been the UNITED STATES enemy for over 100 years, and that is as ignorant and false as it gets. This is one of the massive flaws in our educational system - not teaching history anymore. Only someone TRULY ignorant of history claims that Russia was our ENEMY in WW2. Your ranting just shows a true lack of intellectual integrity believing you can RANT your way in to claiming the USA fought Germany, Italy, Japan and Russia in WW2.

    Intelligent people just acknowledge posting messages in error. I often do. Idiots just rant and throw tantrums.

    Russia - or more specifically the USSR - was our ally in WW2, not our enemy - and all your ranting tantrum messages doesn't change that fact. We were VERY lucky that Russia was. Had Hitler and Stalin maintained an alliance they would have won the European theater rather easily. It was the USSR, not Americans and British, that took the true brunt of Germany military might and Russians paid a terrible price - as much as 25% of their entire population died.

    TRY READING A HISTORY BOOK SOME TIME.
    Last edited by joko104; 04-23-19 at 02:41 PM.

  2. #92
    Sage HumblePi's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2018
    Last Seen
    Today @ 10:42 AM
    Lean
    Liberal
    Posts
    6,310

    Re: Giuliani: Nothing wrong with getting information from Russians

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    No, that is irrelevant and his claim is exactly wrong - and anyone who knows anything about WW2 knows it.

    He said Russia has been an enemy for over 100 years and that is absolutely false. Russia has NEVER been at war with the United States. Whether Stalin and Hitler made a deal prior to our involvement in WW2 is 100% irrelevant to anything. This isn't a Polish forum and his claim wasn't that Russia has been an enemy of Poland for 100 years.

    His and now your claim that Russia was our enemy is WW2 is something everyone knows is false.

    Why don't you and that other member join a Polish forum and make your claims there about Russia being an enemy of Poland for 100 years? That's his and your claim.
    People that have to continually do contortions to keep propping up this monster are really starting to make themselves even less pertinent by their mindless gymnastics trying to excuse this bastard president.


  3. #93
    Canadian Conservative
    CanadaJohn's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2013
    Location
    Toronto, Ontario, Canada
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 11:14 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    27,861

    Re: Giuliani: Nothing wrong with getting information from Russians

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    Is that just regarding the press and the first amendment?

    Does it apply to opposition researchers too?

    Does who stole it matter? Couldn't there be national security overrides? Like if someone stole troop movement data, would it be legal for anybody to disseminate it, even the press?
    You're moving past receipt of the information into discussion of how the information is used. The use of the information in a particular manner could be a crime. There are national security overrides to any freedom but it would be hard to argue that Hillary Clinton's and the DNC's emails rise to the level of national security secrets. Now, if the stolen emails pertained to Hillary Clinton's time as Secretary of State, those might rise to that level. I don't know all the details involved.

    I was simply responding to the legal logic Guiliani provided and agreed with his view.
    "Giving money and power to liberals is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys" - P. J. O'Rourke

  4. #94
    Sage

    Join Date
    Sep 2010
    Last Seen
    Today @ 10:41 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    18,651
    Blog Entries
    2

    Re: Giuliani: Nothing wrong with getting information from Russians

    Quote Originally Posted by JacksinPA View Post
    Confidential internal political campaign documents are not private property? Just like plans for a new missile are not private property? The laws in Canada must be off a bit for you to come to that conclusion.

    Trump's son & staff went to a lot of trouble to have that meeting with the Russians where 'dirt' on Hilary was promised. That shows intent. They are guilty of a criminal conspiracy. Only intent is necessary to prove the charge. They intended to close this crooked deal. That's enough.
    From what I've seen, Mueller passed because ignorance of the law is not an excuse now.

    More accurately, what they were doing Is common practice in politics. The only difference is coming directly from a foreign adversary.

    They are pretty stupid...
    Anyone wondering what I'm talking about start here:
    The Psychology of Persuasion

  5. #95
    Guru

    Join Date
    Nov 2015
    Last Seen
    05-13-19 @ 03:44 AM
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    4,085

    Re: Giuliani: Nothing wrong with getting information from Russians

    Hillary's campaign got information from the Russians - they paid for the dossier

  6. #96
    Professor
    Join Date
    Jan 2019
    Last Seen
    05-06-19 @ 01:44 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Socialist
    Posts
    1,779

    Re: Giuliani: Nothing wrong with getting information from Russians

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    The topic of the thread, I remind you, is that Guiliani claimed it would not be a crime to receive the information if you had no involvement prior to or during the stealing of the information. His interpretation of the law is valid.
    His interpretation of the law is not a legal fact which is my point.

    Are you surprised that a person acting as Trump's personal lawyer read the law in a way that benefit his client? Such reading is as valid as any reading by a defense attorney trying to defend his client.

  7. #97
    Professor
    Join Date
    Jan 2019
    Last Seen
    05-06-19 @ 01:44 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Socialist
    Posts
    1,779

    Re: Giuliani: Nothing wrong with getting information from Russians

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    ...
    Since the President is THE final authority on what is classified, it is not possible for the president to commit treason by divulging any information to anyone.
    Tell me if the following will be considered treason by you or not...

    Say, we learn that a president decides to pass in a private meeting with Putin in Helsinki the coordinates of all current patrol areas of the American ballistic nuclear submarines without getting similar information in return.

    1.would you consider such action treason?
    2.would you object to the impeachment of such president by arguing that we should not impeach a president for doing something that was perfectly within his power to do?

  8. #98
    Sporadic insanity normal.

    The Mark's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2005
    Location
    Pennsylvania
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 10:54 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Progressive
    Posts
    23,346

    Re: Giuliani: Nothing wrong with getting information from Russians

    Quote Originally Posted by Athanasius68 View Post
    Collusion=coordination. Mueller was tasked to find coordination between Trump campaign and Russia. He didn't find.
    Nor did he find obstruction.
    That didn't happen either.
    They did find attempts and intent to obstruct.

    Why is that not worth impeachment? We literally had a president repeatedly attempt to obstruct justice, only failing because his subordinates wouldn't follow orders to do so.
    Education.

    Sometimes I think we're alone. Sometimes I think we're not. In either case, the thought is staggering. ~ R. Buckminster Fuller

  9. #99
    Professor
    Join Date
    Jan 2019
    Last Seen
    05-06-19 @ 01:44 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Socialist
    Posts
    1,779

    Re: Giuliani: Nothing wrong with getting information from Russians

    Quote Originally Posted by sanman View Post
    Hillary's campaign got information from the Russians - they paid for the dossier
    Hillary paid an American company (FUSION)!

    It was that company which found Steele in Britain and it was Steele who probably paid Russians to get information. There is nothing illegal OR immoral about such thing. The CIA probably pays Russian moles to provide information. Such informants do not act as agents of promoting the Russian government's interests.

  10. #100
    Sage

    Join Date
    Nov 2016
    Last Seen
    Today @ 10:15 AM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    7,344

    Re: Giuliani: Nothing wrong with getting information from Russians

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    They did find attempts and intent to obstruct.

    Why is that not worth impeachment? We literally had a president repeatedly attempt to obstruct justice, only failing because his subordinates wouldn't follow orders to do so.
    Then there was no obstruction. There wasn't even an attempt-- no firing occurred.

Page 10 of 28 FirstFirst ... 8910111220 ... LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •