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Kate Smith’s ‘Racist Songs’: 5 Fast Facts You Need to Know

I have just read an article in USA TODAY.

Yes, one of the two offending songs was satire. In fact, Paul Robeson also sang it.

Ms. Smith's statute was covered up outside the stadium until it could be removed.

Very sad development, but no one is surprised.

In the coming years, there will be more blacklisting and more statutes coming down.

I don't know why there was a statue to Smith in Philly - that's weird - but you're correct on all counts.

My best guess here is that the teams wanted to get more with the times & no one knew who Kate Smith was, so...

Basically, a cultural update under weak cover of political correctness to nip any "Save Kate Smith!" campaigns in the bud.

I thought most events were using the much superior "America the Beautiful" by Ray Charles anyway.

Of course that embodies its own controversies, but would be a better national anthem than the one we currently have, also mired in controversy.

Times change, but people remain idiots.

Alas.
 
I suspect Robeson sung it as satire. Others, I wouldn't be too sure.

The song was obvious satire in praise of blacks, and was sung as such by Smith and presumably most others.
 
Bottom line, its a vapid, lousy song. Good riddance. replace it with "This Land is Your Land."

The song is brilliant, as is Smith's rendition.

"America the Beautiful" as sung by Ray Charles is superior, however.
 
Frankly I had no idea who Kate Smith was before now, and still only know what you just posted.

That said, generally speaking, if someone is racist, I consider any claims they make in support of freedom/justice/etc questionable - since they don't understand that unless those values are applied to everyone equally, they do not exist.

She wasn't racist.
 
To my knowledge, Kate Smith never espoused racist ideas.

In September 1943, Kate Smith engaged in a marathon war bond drive and made 65 appeals in 18 hours which raised $31,000,000 in war bonds to defeat Adolf Hitler.

Doesn’t matter. She sang a song somebody thinks is racist so she’s a racist and must be erased from
History
 
What was "satire"?

The fact that Ms. Smith sang the songs?

The fact that Ms. Smith practically defined "God Bless America"?

The fact that pro-sports teams have banned her version of "God Bless America"?

The satirical song in praise of blacks also sung by Robeson.

No.

No.

No.
 
Doesn't matter because, in 1933 she sang songs that - today - we define as "racist".

Right?

It's unfortunate, I agree.

But times change, and it's time for a Beyonce song at sporting events...?
 
So you would then agree that the claims of any of the Founding Fathers who owned slaves to have been "in support of freedom/justice" to be "questionable", would you?

I definitely would.

Jefferson in particular was a monster: a genocidal pedophile and serial raping slaveholder.

His Memorial MUST be razed, and the Declaration removed from public view.

:hm
 
Jesus Christ you cry this whiny victim race card a lot in here.

Hey! A lot of people post a lot of stupid **** around here!

The fact that you ****ers see racism in absolutely everything is just the tip of the iceberg. For the past 10 years it’s been the left wing calling everybody that isn’t them racist, sexist, homophobic, deplorable, etc. Sometimes the rest of us just get fed up with your self righteousness.
 
Oh waaa!

Look at statistics, and the racial picture of who is an asset and who is a liability in America, and things become very clear.

Engineers from India, nurses from the Philippines, doctors from Pakistan, and Asians in general?

But you've completely misunderstood the OP; bravo.
 
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Although it's going just a bit too far to say that if a trio composed of Adolf Hitler, Josef Stalin, and Pol Pot were to sing "God Bless America" with the same quality of sincerity as Ms. Smith sang it then I'd play it regardless, it isn't completely outside the realm of possibility that I would either.

Does what someone did 90+ years ago diminish the fact that Ms. Smith actually BELIEVED what she was singing? And, if so, why?

Red:
What?
  • The fact that someone sang/said X strongly indicates that person believes whatever s/he said/sang.
  • The issue isn't whether Smith believed (or believed in) the notions about which she sang. The issue is that she believed (believed in), sang about and/or extolled reprehensible notions.


Other:
Perhaps you're among the crowd that doesn't ascribe to the notion that there are attitudes and actions that, ethically/morally speaking, are existentially right/wrong.

I find that any given attitude or action can be classed, ethically/morally speaking, as existentially right/wrong, some in the absolute and others to some greater or lesser degree. An implication of my hewing thus is that I assert that though cultures may variously accord or withhold their approbation of any given attitude or action, hindsight affords one information that allows one to accurately assess the probity of formerly held ideas and undertaken actions.

Obviously, we cannot undo the past, but we can eschew exhibiting its ethical errancy. And, frankly, why would one not do just that?

To illustrate, the rubric article states:
"Smith...endorsed the “Mammy Doll” in 1939, which was based on a racist caricature of a black woman in the same vein as Aunt Jemima."​

Perhaps Smith didn't know better than to endorse and propagate racist caricatures of Black women. Maybe she actually believed those caricatures weren't racist or that they were verisimilitudinous. Maybe Smith was just a plain ol' racist as were many of her contemporaries.

Whether she did or didn't is, in 2019, irrelevant. What's relevant is that we know they're racist, and knowing so, we are obliged, assuming we do not want to abet their persistence, to consign them, their progenitors and perpetrators, of which Smith was clearly one, to ignominy. Smith's rendition of "God Bless America" was good in its day, but its day and hers has passed.


My dad was, roughly, among Smith's contemporaries. There's plenty Granddaddy did and thought that I hold in high regard, but his racist notions aren't among them. Even as I will acknowledge and embrace the good Granddaddy did, there are others who, sans his racism, the same or substantially similar good things. In choosing between Granddaddy and one of those other folks' as a figure whose legacy and life I tacitly idolize in a broad public setting such as a baseball game, I'll pick one of those other folks.

Sure, Smith's version of "God Bless America" became iconic. It did so in an era of general insouciance (at best) toward, if not flat-out condoning of racism. Does song's sentiment, it's patriotic message, change with the singer? No. Accordingly, because we now know are better constituted messengers of the song's theme, and because we care not to canonize actual or potential racists (past or present), and because there are alternative personalities who've sung the song quite well, we need no longer place Smith on the cultural pedestal she once occupied.
 
Wow, you guys are really going off the deep end, aren't you. Perhaps you can't help but be racist, but a lot of white people can.

I live in Vancouver, it is ethnically diverse, so much so that it is much more common to see groups of mixed ethnicity than it is to see ethnically pure groups. I think it's great, and I'm white. So perhaps the problem is that people like Trump use fear and racism to gain and hold power? That is seemingly Trump's only strategy these days when he wants to energize his base, to make racist attacks.

He attacks kneeling black football players, he attacks immigrants, he attacks Muslims, he attacks Mexicans, he attacks Latinos, he attack Puerto Ricans, he attacks Africans. Christ, he got his Conservative street cred by being the leader of the racist Birther movement, that attacked a sitting POTUS for a decade, accusing him of being UnAmerican, because of the colour of his skin.

Maybe you all have to be like that, maybe that's why you support a blatant racist like Trump, but a lot of white people don't. So please don't lump us non-racists in with the racists. Thanks.
Vancouver isn't any more racially diverse then the majority of US cities. In fact to its a lot less diverse then many of them.

That aside you should probably sell help for your TDS.
Not every thing has to be about Trump.
 
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From Heavy

Kate Smith’s ‘Racist Songs’: 5 Fast Facts You Need to Know


Kate Smith, a popular Depression-era American singer, is most famous for her version of “God Bless America.” The song is played often at sporting events, including national and professional leagues and teams.

Not anymore. At least for the Philadelphia Flyers and the New York Yankees.

In reports and statements, both teams have said that having recently learned about Smith’s history of racist songs, she’s been dumped.

Smith, who died in 1986, was awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom in 1982 by then-Pres. Ronald Reagan.

Here’s what you need to know:

COMMENT:-

Although it's going just a bit too far to say that if a trio composed of Adolf Hitler, Josef Stalin, and Pol Pot were to sing "God Bless America" with the same quality of sincerity as Ms. Smith sang it then I'd play it regardless, it isn't completely outside the realm of possibility that I would either.

Does what someone did 90+ years ago diminish the fact that Ms. Smith actually BELIEVED what she was singing? And, if so, why?

I'm not going to hold people accountable for backwards thinking when they were thinking it 50 or more years ago.
 
IMO, racists from days gone by are racists from a bygone era. Even Lincoln had some pretty racist ideas back in the day. I suspect everyone from George Washington to about Ronald Reagan held views that are not considered acceptable today.

What to do?

:shrug:

Don't be a racist today. That's about all one can do.
 
Doesn’t matter. She sang a song somebody thinks is racist so she’s a racist and must be erased from
History

SJW's apparently ran out of white people to call racist & now are claiming dogs are racists too.

Ben Faulding, a socialist with bylines in the Washington Post, Tablet Mag, and The Forward has declared that dogs are a
“tool of white supremacy and gentrification.” He didn't stop there!
“That’s not just my opinion. There is research that shows how white newcomers dogwalking routes stake out
territory. And white owners user their pets to socialize with other white owners excluding minorities,” Faulding tweeted

https://qwiket.com/.../dogs-branded-white-supremacist-as-social-justice-warriors-seemi...

We definitely need more mental hospitals in this country.

'Black Labs Matter'
 
From Heavy

Kate Smith’s ‘Racist Songs’: 5 Fast Facts You Need to Know


Kate Smith, a popular Depression-era American singer, is most famous for her version of “God Bless America.” The song is played often at sporting events, including national and professional leagues and teams.

Not anymore. At least for the Philadelphia Flyers and the New York Yankees.

In reports and statements, both teams have said that having recently learned about Smith’s history of racist songs, she’s been dumped.

Smith, who died in 1986, was awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom in 1982 by then-Pres. Ronald Reagan.

Here’s what you need to know:

COMMENT:-

Although it's going just a bit too far to say that if a trio composed of Adolf Hitler, Josef Stalin, and Pol Pot were to sing "God Bless America" with the same quality of sincerity as Ms. Smith sang it then I'd play it regardless, it isn't completely outside the realm of possibility that I would either.

Does what someone did 90+ years ago diminish the fact that Ms. Smith actually BELIEVED what she was singing? And, if so, why?
I never heard any of this before. yes we should consider the time and culture, and the intent, but we also have ask how much actual control she would have had back then, over what she did or did not sing. What kind of contracts existed back then for singers, and how much influence would a Kate Smith have had in those days over the material that she is now being judged by.


All that is separate from the issue you raise, about how much we should care or the Flyers or Yankees about whether this entertainer was a racist or not.
 
Wow, you guys are really going off the deep end, aren't you. Perhaps you can't help but be racist, but a lot of white people can.

I live in Vancouver, it is ethnically diverse, so much so that it is much more common to see groups of mixed ethnicity than it is to see ethnically pure groups. I think it's great, and I'm white. So perhaps the problem is that people like Trump use fear and racism to gain and hold power? That is seemingly Trump's only strategy these days when he wants to energize his base, to make racist attacks.

He attacks kneeling black football players, he attacks immigrants, he attacks Muslims, he attacks Mexicans, he attacks Latinos, he attack Puerto Ricans, he attacks Africans. Christ, he got his Conservative street cred by being the leader of the racist Birther movement, that attacked a sitting POTUS for a decade, accusing him of being UnAmerican, because of the colour of his skin.

Maybe you all have to be like that, maybe that's why you support a blatant racist like Trump, but a lot of white people don't. So please don't lump us non-racists in with the racists. Thanks.
So its all about Trump?

Do you blame Trump when your hockey yeam loses or you toliet clogs too?

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Red:
What?
  • The fact that someone sang/said X strongly indicates that person believes whatever s/he said/sang.
  • The issue isn't whether Smith believed (or believed in) the notions about which she sang. The issue is that she believed (believed in), sang about and/or extolled reprehensible notions.

You are going to have to work REALLY hard to convince me that "America The Beautiful" "extolled reprehensible notions".

Other:
Perhaps you're among the crowd that doesn't ascribe to the notion that there are attitudes and actions that, ethically/morally speaking, are existentially right/wrong.

I'm not sure what you mean by "ethically/morally speaking, are existentially right/wrong".

Both ethics and morality derive from society and are only right or wrong in the context of a society. If the society changes, then so too does the definition of "right" and the definition of "wrong".


ex·is·ten·tial
/ˌeɡzəˈsten(t)SH(ə)l/
adjective
adjective: existential

relating to existence.
Philosophy
concerned with existence, especially human existence as viewed in the theories of existentialism.
Logic
(of a proposition) affirming or implying the existence of a thing.


ex·is·ten·tial·ism
/ˌeɡzəˈsten(t)SHəˌlizəm/
noun
noun: existentialism

a philosophical theory or approach which emphasizes the existence of the individual person as a free and responsible agent determining their own development through acts of the will.


Possibly you mean "intrinsically" rather than "existentially".

I find that any given attitude or action can be classed, ethically/morally speaking, as existentially right/wrong, some in the absolute and others to some greater or lesser degree. An implication of my hewing thus is that I assert that though cultures may variously accord or withhold their approbation of any given attitude or action, hindsight affords one information that allows one to accurately assess the probity of formerly held ideas and undertaken actions.

That's nice - if it works for you. All I can say is that I would not do something and don't think that others should do it either now or in the future.

Obviously, we cannot undo the past, but we can eschew exhibiting its ethical errancy. And, frankly, why would one not do just that?

Well then, why not simply expunge anything that doesn't conform to CURRENT "revealed wisdom" concerning "right" or "wrong". Let's start with expunging any mention of any of the Founding Fathers who owned slaves. Then we can move on to expunging any mention of any person who was involved in the attempted extermination of America's original inhabitants. Then we can move on to expunging any mention of any person who was involved with the internment of "Japanese-Americans". Then we can move on to expunging any mention of any person who was involved in "McCarthyism". Then we can double back and expunge any mention of any person who was involved in KKK (or any other "racist organized") violence. Then we can move forward again and expunge any mention of anyone who was involved in the "theft" of Hawai'i from the Hawai'ians. Then, after a bit more tidying up of American history we can move on to clean out the cesspits of world history and expunge any mention of the Nazis, or the Crusades, or the religious wars in Europe, or the subjugation of the African continent.
 
To illustrate, the rubric article states:
"Smith...endorsed the “Mammy Doll” in 1939, which was based on a racist caricature of a black woman in the same vein as Aunt Jemima."​


True.

Perhaps Smith didn't know better than to endorse and propagate racist caricatures of Black women. Maybe she actually believed those caricatures weren't racist or that they were verisimilitudinous. Maybe Smith was just a plain ol' racist as were many of her contemporaries.

Also true, but what is your point?

Whether she did or didn't is, in 2019, irrelevant. What's relevant is that we know they're racist, and knowing so, we are obliged, assuming we do not want to abet their persistence, to consign them, their progenitors and perpetrators, of which Smith was clearly one, to ignominy. Smith's rendition of "God Bless America" was good in its day, but its day and hers has passed.

Please advise of the URL of the website for your campaign to expunge both "Washington's Birthday" and "Columbus Day" from the calendar as soon as you have got it set up.

My dad was, roughly, among Smith's contemporaries. There's plenty Granddaddy did and thought that I hold in high regard, but his racist notions aren't among them. Even as I will acknowledge and embrace the good Granddaddy did, there are others who, sans his racism, the same or substantially similar good things. In choosing between Granddaddy and one of those other folks' as a figure whose legacy and life I tacitly idolize in a broad public setting such as a baseball game, I'll pick one of those other folks.

Your holding up a person who you, yourself, admit was a "racist" as a good example or even admitting that they did some good things is totally repugnant to any right thinking person (and also contradicts your previously stated position).

Sure, Smith's version of "God Bless America" became iconic. It did so in an era of general insouciance (at best) toward, if not flat-out condoning of racism. Does song's sentiment, it's patriotic message, change with the singer? No. Accordingly, because we now know are better constituted messengers of the song's theme, and because we care not to canonize actual or potential racists (past or present), and because there are alternative personalities who've sung the song quite well, we need no longer place Smith on the cultural pedestal she once occupied.

Agreed. Everyone who has ever done anything that is - today - considered even remotely "racist" must be totally expunged from the history books.

Heaven help you if the definition of "racist" ever changes so that you fall inside that category.​
 
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Vancouver isn't any more racially diverse then the majority of US cities. In fact to its a lot less diverse then many of them.

Considering that there are only five ("White", "Brown", "Black", "Yellow", and "Red") PRIMARY "races" then "racially diversity" is a pretty poor measure of anything - isn't it?

What you might fine interesting is that Canada has a "cultural fractionalization" of .499 and an "ethnic fractionalization" of .596, while the US has a "cultural fractionalization" of .271 and an "ethnic fractionalization" of .491. This would indicate that Canada is both MORE culturally diverse and MORE ethnically diverse than the US is.

Unfortunately I couldn't spare the time to do sufficient research to find listings of all the major cities of the world that would show where Vancouver ranked as compared to American cities, but you might find this information on the population of Vancouver interesting.
 
From Heavy

Kate Smith’s ‘Racist Songs’: 5 Fast Facts You Need to Know


Kate Smith, a popular Depression-era American singer, is most famous for her version of “God Bless America.” The song is played often at sporting events, including national and professional leagues and teams.

Not anymore. At least for the Philadelphia Flyers and the New York Yankees.

In reports and statements, both teams have said that having recently learned about Smith’s history of racist songs, she’s been dumped.

Smith, who died in 1986, was awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom in 1982 by then-Pres. Ronald Reagan.

Here’s what you need to know:

COMMENT:-

Although it's going just a bit too far to say that if a trio composed of Adolf Hitler, Josef Stalin, and Pol Pot were to sing "God Bless America" with the same quality of sincerity as Ms. Smith sang it then I'd play it regardless, it isn't completely outside the realm of possibility that I would either.

Does what someone did 90+ years ago diminish the fact that Ms. Smith actually BELIEVED what she was singing? And, if so, why?

I believe one always has to put events in the context of the times in which they happened. She sang the songs back in the 1930's. Should we judge her with 21st century morals and standards or by the norms back then? I don't care what the Flyers and Yankees do with Kate Smith's songs. One must realize the norms, morals, standards, what is and isn't acceptable in society change over time.

100 years from now, the 22nd century society will be judging us via 22nd century standards, norms and morals. Without putting what we do and think into the context of today, they may judge us abhorrent beings for many of the things we take as normal and accepted. I think context means everything and how the society was back in the past and how things were seen is most important. Others will disagree, which is fine. But unless we put history into the context of the time it happened, we'll never understand it.
 
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