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'This is a war': Meet the Texas ranchers forming their own border militia

Godric1970 said:
the people who should decide are the people of the first nation after all it is their land and not the land of white men who came uninvited and rape and murdered the people of the first nation and stole there lands
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But, but - but ... BUT "That's DIFFERENT!!!".
 
Saladin4 said:
Texas Border Volunteers=White Trash vigilantes
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Given the actual meanings of the words "White", "Trash", and "vigilantes", I don't think that anyone could dispute "vigilantes". I'd be prepared to accept "White vigilantes" unless someone can produce evidence that the TBV is somewhat close to being "racially/ethnically integrated.

BUT, I'm not so sure that I'd go as far as "White Trash vigilantes" unless you want to produce something that I could close my eyes and pretend was something like evidence on the "Trash" bit.
 
danarhea said:
"TAOS, N.M. (Reuters) - The FBI on Saturday said it had arrested Larry Hopkins, the leader of an armed group that is stopping undocumented migrants after they cross the U.S.-Mexico border into New Mexico.

The arrest came two days after the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) accused the group of illegally detaining migrants and New Mexico’s Democratic Governor Michelle Lujan Grisham ordered an investigation.

Hopkins, 69, also known as Johnny Horton, was arrested in Sunland Park, New Mexico, on a federal complaint charging him with being a felon in possession of firearms and ammunition, the Federal Bureau of Investigation said in a statement."

FBI arrests leader of armed group stopping migrants in New Mexico - Reuters

That was the second link I posted. I just reposted it.

This is the same Larry Hopkins who was previously busted for impersonating a cop, and who was a felon in possession of a firearm. And this is reason enough to keep vigilante groups out of patrolling the border. I don't give a damn what group they belong to. Cops get background checked before they are hired. None of these Bozos got a background check. For all we know, these vigilante groups, including Texas Border Volunteers, are filled with rapists and murderers**. They have no freaking business there. But don't take my word for it....

"On a March 27 visit to El Paso, Texas, next to Sunland Park, then U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) Commissioner Kevin McAleenan said his agency, which runs U.S. Border Patrol, did not need the help of citizens to police the border.

“We are not asking for civil society groups to provide border security assistance,” said McAleenan, who was recently appointed acting secretary of the U.S. Department of Homeland Security.

Rights group condemns U.S. 'vigilante' treatment of migrants on border - Reuters

**But a few of them are probably fine people. LOL.
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Other news concerning the fine, upstanding, law abiding type of citizen Mr. Hopkins is is to be found in

"U.S. militia group leader said he trained followers to assassinate Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton: complaint".
 
Tigerace117 said:
And yet, it was successful enough to play crucial roles in Normandy and at the Battle of the Bulge......which directly contradicts your claim. But I get it. Your pathological hatred for anything American has overwhelmed the facts in your mind..... as usual.


Which does not change the fact that had the United States not decided to supply Britain and the Commonwealth with Tanks, there would not have been a Sherman Firefly.....or Ram.....to begin with.

Gee, and would those be the same people who happened to sell multiple countries down the river to Hitler in the name of “race in our time”? Perhaps you should ask the Czechs what they think about Britain’s willingness to stand by commitments and fight for freedom.

And yet the United States, a neutral power with no obligation to do anything to support you , kept England—- and the Commonwealth—- afloat, even harassing and later engaging the German U-Boats which were happily strangling y’all.

Yes, the United States acted like a neutral power selling equipment to a warring power. So what? The essentially needed supplies still made its way to Britain and gee, I don’t happen to recall any arms shipments flooding into any country fighting the Allies....even though the United States would have been perfectly within its rights to do that.

Yes, whining because the US was unwilling to plunge headlong into war—- a war which, quite frankly, the US was totally unprepared for in 1939— and claiming the USS, who also didn’t enter the war until 1941 and up until then had been actively collaborating with Hitler was “doing its bit” reeks of sour grapes.

A lot.

Oh really? And who would those “some” be? Figments of your imagination?
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Since your position appears to be "Anything that even hints that anything American is NOT the ULTIMATE PERFECTION means that the person drawing attention to it **H*A*T*E*S** **A*M*E*R*I*C*A**." your post is one that there is no point in responding further to.
 
jdog21 said:
Making a citizens arrest is common law.
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"Common Law" refers to legal precepts that HAVE NOT been codified. Once codified those legal precepts are NO LONGER "Common Law" they are "Statute Law".

Once a legal precept BECOMES "Statute Law" then that legal precept (regardless of how it was amended in the process to becoming "Statute Law") SUPERSEDES the old "Common Law".

In this case, the "Statute Law" limits the power of "Citizen Arrest" to FELONIES, and "entering the United States of America at a place not officially designated as a port of entry" is NOT a felony, it is a "civil violation".

That means that - in this particular case - there is NO "power of citizen arrest" associated with "entering the United States of America at a place not officially designated as a port of entry".

You may not like it, but that IS the way that the law works.
 
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TU Curmudgeon said:
Since your position appears to be "Anything that even hints that anything American is NOT the ULTIMATE PERFECTION means that the person drawing attention to it **H*A*T*E*S** **A*M*E*R*I*C*A**." your post is one that there is no point in responding further to.
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The fact of the matter was that the Hellcat was a highly effective tank destroyer. Simple historical fact. Just as, historically, the United States supplied England and its associated states with all sorts of equipment when they needed them the most....and went far beyond the normal aspects of neutrality in providing such equipment.

The hypocrisy of crying about the US not intervening while claiming the USSR, which, again, had been actively supporting Hitler, was “doing its bit” says a lot about you.

Especially when one considers how England happily sold out the Czechs and many in the upper classes flirted with Hitler.

Your claims are simply flat out incorrect. End of story.
 
TU Curmudgeon said:
"Common Law" refers to legal precepts that HAVE NOT been codified. Once codified those legal precepts are NO LONGER "Common Law" they are "Statute Law".

Once a legal precept BECOMES "Statute Law" then that legal precept (regardless of how it was amended in the process to becoming "Statute Law") SUPERSEDES the old "Common Law".

In this case, the "Statute Law" limits the power of "Citizen Arrest" to FELONIES, and "entering the United States of America at a place not officially designated as a port of entry" is NOT a felony, it is a "civil violation".

That means that - in this particular case - there is NO "power of citizen arrest" associated with "entering the United States of America at a place not officially designated as a port of entry".

You may not like it, but that IS the way that the law works.
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Common law prevails when there is no Statute law. In the state of New Mexico there is no Statute restricting citizen arrest, so common law prevails. And under common law its not limited to only felonies but also includes any misdemeanors and infractions.
 
Tigerace117 said:
The fact of the matter was that the Hellcat was a highly effective tank destroyer. Simple historical fact. Just as, historically, the United States supplied England and its associated states with all sorts of equipment when they needed them the most....and went far beyond the normal aspects of neutrality in providing such equipment.

The hypocrisy of crying about the US not intervening while claiming the USSR, which, again, had been actively supporting Hitler, was “doing its bit” says a lot about you.

Especially when one considers how England happily sold out the Czechs and many in the upper classes flirted with Hitler.

Your claims are simply flat out incorrect. End of story.
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Since it will make you happy, please continue believing whatever you want to believe.
 
jdog21 said:
Common law prevails when there is no Statute law. In the state of New Mexico there is no Statute restricting citizen arrest, so common law prevails. And under common law its not limited to only felonies but also includes any misdemeanors and infractions.
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I suggest that you read


Chapter 31 - Criminal Procedure
Article 4 - Extradition
Section 31-4-14 - Arrest without a warrant. (1937)

NM Stat § 31-4-14 (2013)

31-4-14. Arrest without a warrant.
The arrest of a person may be lawfully made also by any peace officer or a private person without a warrant upon reasonable information that the accused stands charged in the courts of a state with a crime punishable by death or imprisonment for a term exceeding one year, but when so arrested the accused must be taken before a judge or magistrate with all practicable speed and complaint must be made against him under oath setting forth the ground for the arrest as in the preceding section [31-4-13 NMSA 1978]; and thereafter his answer shall be heard as if he had been arrested on a warrant.
History: Laws 1937, ch. 65, § 14; 1941 Comp., § 42-1914; 1953 Comp., § 41-19-14.
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The fact that the words "citizen's arrest" are not specifically used does NOT mean that anyone can arrest anyone at anytime for any reason just because they call that "arrest without warrant" a "citizen's arrest" any more than it would mean that I could rob a bank in New Mexico whenever I felt like it PROVIDED that I called what I was doing "accepting a voluntary donation".

PS - Do I think that by referring you to the actual New Mexico statute that says exactly the opposite of what you said I will have any effect on what you believe to be true? All I can go on is a poster's track record and even 100 to 1 long shots have been known to win horse races.
 
trouble13 said:
What do you obect to, about private citizens voluntarily assisting border patrol. Do you also object to neighorhood watch groups?

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If neighborhood watch groups are running around my neighborhood with rifles, then yes. Yes I do. We have police for that.
 
KAG2020 said:
'This is a war': Meet the Texas ranchers forming their own border militia

'This is a war': Meet the Texas ranchers forming their own border militia

QUOTE: For Mike Vickers, not much has changed here since 1823, the year a group of frontier lawmen formed the Texas Rangers to protect settlers and their land. “We’re still dealing with the bad guys from Mexico,” Vickers, 69, told The Post, referring to smugglers who traffic in drugs and desperate migrants. “This is a war.”
Dressed in a cowboy hat, tan cargo pants and weathered boots, Vickers, a veterinarian, runs the Las Palmas Animal Hospital, but he’s also chairman of the Texas Border Volunteers, a 300-strong militia helping the thinly-spread US Customs and Border Patrol agents cover more than a million acres of private land throughout the state’s border counties

ME: Good for them! Trump should deputize them and then it would be official.
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"Their land"
You mean Mexicos?
A bunch of fat heavily armed pantywaists attacking women and children.
Led by our 5 deferment don the con.
How can anyone be for such a coward?
 
Reports are the White Trash vigilantes have been run off, back to whatever trailer park they came from...Good Riddance
 
apdst said:
Should they have used Top Gun codenames, instead?
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If they were flying planes to "protect" the border, sure. But since they are driving around in 4-wheeler's call of duty probably feels more accurate.
 
Pound4abrown said:
If neighborhood watch groups are running around my neighborhood with rifles, then yes. Yes I do. We have police for that.
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Another (and more accurate) way of phrasing "trouble 13"s "What do you obect (sic) to, about private citizens voluntarily assisting (sic) border patrol. (sic)" is


What do you object to about people committing felonies and violating other people's constitutional rights under the guise of "assisting the Border Patrol"?"
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To some people, the answer to that other (and more accurately phrased) question is "Not one damn thing because they aren't coming for me.".

To others, the answer to that question is "If you have to ask, then it's back to 'The Home' for you.".
 
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