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'This is a war': Meet the Texas ranchers forming their own border militia

Tigerace117 said:
Which does not change the fact that your claim that the Hellcat was ineffectual is simply flat out false.
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You know, IF that was what I had claimed, then you would be correct. However what I posted was "Are you aware that the M-16 was one of the least successful of the tank destroyers" (emphasis added).

So, since I did NOT claim that "the Hellcat was ineffectual" (emphasis added) your statement that that is what I said is - what? It couldn't possibly be "flat up false" could it?

Tigerace117 said:
Considering that it was American Tanks and other equipment that the England and the Commonweth were desperately requesting, and not the other way around, your post reeks of sour grapes.
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Since it was the United States of America that had the intact industrial capacity and ready access to the needed natural resources, where else do you think that the people who had been fighting the Nazis from September 1939 to December 6, 1941 while the US refused to do anything unless paid, up front and in cash" would have been asking to provide military equipment?

Tigerace117 said:
Ah yes, the Ram......which was based on another American tank, the M3 Grant(or Lee in US service).
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Gosh darn, I was sure that I had mentioned that fact. I guess the electrons must have vanished.

Tigerace117 said:
Hmm......sounds like the same fact applies to the Ram as well. Without US support, there would be no Ram either.
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You do realize that the US government refused to sell the M-3 unless it was paid, up front and in cash for them, don't you? You do realize that the US government refused to authorize the production of the M-3 (or any variant of it) until AFTER December of 1941, don't you?

It isn't "sour grapes" to acknowledge that the United States of America essentially "sat out" WWII (unless there was a buck to be made from it) for over 27 months while Britain, the Commonwealth, the Russians, and the military personnel from the European countries that had escaped "did their bit" to contain and defeat the Nazis - because that is exactly what the United States of America (and the American people) did do.

Did the US and the American people "pull their weight" to defeat the Nazis once Hitler had declared war on America? I won't say that they didn't - some will, but I won't.

Did the US and the American people "pull as much weight" as 99% of all Americans want everyone to believe they did? I leave that for you to form your own opinion but I do suggest that you base your opinion on PROPORTIONAL contributions and not simply on raw numbers (because the proportional numbers are what you have to used in order to decide what "weight" partners of disparate abilities "should be" contributing to a joint enterprise.
 
danarhea said:
"Hopkins was previously arrested in Oregon in 2006 on suspicion of impersonating a police officer and being a felon in possession of a firearm, according to the Southern Poverty Law Center."

FBI arrests leader of armed group stopping migrants in New Mexico - Reuters
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You do realize the United Constitutional Patriots that Hopkins was a member of is not the same as the Texas Border Volunteers don't you? I asked if you had ANY evidence any member of the Texas Border Volunteers has represented themselves as law enforcement. So do you have any?
 
Tigerace117 said:
As I have repeatedly shown, calling militia thugs “law abiding” is a pathetic joke, and claiming it “shows reverence” to point out a literal fact—-that the cartels have numerous well trained former Mexican special forces soldiers, and that any confrontation would end with the militias getting wiped out, which they know full well, is flat out false.
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It isn't so much the fact that those "cartel thugs" have "special forces" training as it is the fact that they simply don't give a damn about killing people AND the fact that they have a whole lot heavier armament than the "militia thugs" that would turn the tables. (You can toss in the fact that they also know that their families will be well looked after, with no questions asked, if they happen to "die in the service of their cartel".)
 
danarhea said:
You are correct. He wasn't arrested for detaining people. He was arrested for being a felon with a firearm and impersonating law enforcement officers.
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As I understand it, that's the second time he has been arrested on the same charge (different times and places though).
 
Integrityrespec said:
How can detaining illegal immigrants illegally crossing the border be illegal?
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When the "citizen's arrest" power is limited to FELONIES and when "crossing the US border (at other than officially approved locations)" is NOT EVEN, per se, A CRIMINAL OFFENCE (it is a "civil violation"), then "detaining" anyone for doing so IS against the law - unless you are an authorized law enforcement officer.
 
3leftsdoo said:
Incredibly, you still don't understand my point.

Well done.
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I already pointed out that you had no point. Unfounded fears = no point.
 
the people who should decide are the people of the first nation after all it is their land and not the land of white men who came uninvited and rape and murdered the people of the first nation and stole there lands
 
SLC said:
You do realize the United Constitutional Patriots that Hopkins was a member of is not the same as the Texas Border Volunteers don't you? I asked if you had ANY evidence any member of the Texas Border Volunteers has represented themselves as law enforcement. So do you have any?
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Texas Border Volunteers=White Trash vigilantes
 
SLC said:
You do realize the United Constitutional Patriots that Hopkins was a member of is not the same as the Texas Border Volunteers don't you? I asked if you had ANY evidence any member of the Texas Border Volunteers has represented themselves as law enforcement. So do you have any?
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"TAOS, N.M. (Reuters) - The FBI on Saturday said it had arrested Larry Hopkins, the leader of an armed group that is stopping undocumented migrants after they cross the U.S.-Mexico border into New Mexico.

The arrest came two days after the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) accused the group of illegally detaining migrants and New Mexico’s Democratic Governor Michelle Lujan Grisham ordered an investigation.

Hopkins, 69, also known as Johnny Horton, was arrested in Sunland Park, New Mexico, on a federal complaint charging him with being a felon in possession of firearms and ammunition, the Federal Bureau of Investigation said in a statement."

FBI arrests leader of armed group stopping migrants in New Mexico - Reuters

That was the second link I posted. I just reposted it.

This is the same Larry Hopkins who was previously busted for impersonating a cop, and who was a felon in possession of a firearm. And this is reason enough to keep vigilante groups out of patrolling the border. I don't give a damn what group they belong to. Cops get background checked before they are hired. None of these Bozos got a background check. For all we know, these vigilante groups, including Texas Border Volunteers, are filled with rapists and murderers**. They have no freaking business there. But don't take my word for it....

"On a March 27 visit to El Paso, Texas, next to Sunland Park, then U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) Commissioner Kevin McAleenan said his agency, which runs U.S. Border Patrol, did not need the help of citizens to police the border.

“We are not asking for civil society groups to provide border security assistance,” said McAleenan, who was recently appointed acting secretary of the U.S. Department of Homeland Security.

Rights group condemns U.S. 'vigilante' treatment of migrants on border - Reuters

**But a few of them are probably fine people. LOL.
 
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TU Curmudgeon said:
You know, IF that was what I had claimed, then you would be correct. However what I posted was "Are you aware that the M-16 was one of the least successful of the tank destroyers" (emphasis added).

So, since I did NOT claim that "the Hellcat was ineffectual" (emphasis added) your statement that that is what I said is - what? It couldn't possibly be "flat up false" could it?



Since it was the United States of America that had the intact industrial capacity and ready access to the needed natural resources, where else do you think that the people who had been fighting the Nazis from September 1939 to December 6, 1941 while the US refused to do anything unless paid, up front and in cash" would have been asking to provide military equipment?



Gosh darn, I was sure that I had mentioned that fact. I guess the electrons must have vanished.



You do realize that the US government refused to sell the M-3 unless it was paid, up front and in cash for them, don't you? You do realize that the US government refused to authorize the production of the M-3 (or any variant of it) until AFTER December of 1941, don't you?

It isn't "sour grapes" to acknowledge that the United States of America essentially "sat out" WWII (unless there was a buck to be made from it) for over 27 months while Britain, the Commonwealth, the Russians, and the military personnel from the European countries that had escaped "did their bit" to contain and defeat the Nazis - because that is exactly what the United States of America (and the American people) did do.

Did the US and the American people "pull their weight" to defeat the Nazis once Hitler had declared war on America? I won't say that they didn't - some will, but I won't.

Did the US and the American people "pull as much weight" as 99% of all Americans want everyone to believe they did? I leave that for you to form your own opinion but I do suggest that you base your opinion on PROPORTIONAL contributions and not simply on raw numbers (because the proportional numbers are what you have to used in order to decide what "weight" partners of disparate abilities "should be" contributing to a joint enterprise.
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And yet, it was successful enough to play crucial roles in Normandy and at the Battle of the Bulge......which directly contradicts your claim. But I get it. Your pathological hatred for anything American has overwhelmed the facts in your mind..... as usual.


Which does not change the fact that had the United States not decided to supply Britain and the Commonwealth with Tanks, there would not have been a Sherman Firefly.....or Ram.....to begin with.

Gee, and would those be the same people who happened to sell multiple countries down the river to Hitler in the name of “race in our time”? Perhaps you should ask the Czechs what they think about Britain’s willingness to stand by commitments and fight for freedom.

And yet the United States, a neutral power with no obligation to do anything to support you , kept England—- and the Commonwealth—- afloat, even harassing and later engaging the German U-Boats which were happily strangling y’all.

Yes, the United States acted like a neutral power selling equipment to a warring power. So what? The essentially needed supplies still made its way to Britain and gee, I don’t happen to recall any arms shipments flooding into any country fighting the Allies....even though the United States would have been perfectly within its rights to do that.

Yes, whining because the US was unwilling to plunge headlong into war—- a war which, quite frankly, the US was totally unprepared for in 1939— and claiming the USS, who also didn’t enter the war until 1941 and up until then had been actively collaborating with Hitler was “doing its bit” reeks of sour grapes.

A lot.

Oh really? And who would those “some” be? Figments of your imagination?
 
danarhea said:
"TAOS, N.M. (Reuters) - The FBI on Saturday said it had arrested Larry Hopkins, the leader of an armed group that is stopping undocumented migrants after they cross the U.S.-Mexico border into New Mexico.

The arrest came two days after the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) accused the group of illegally detaining migrants and New Mexico’s Democratic Governor Michelle Lujan Grisham ordered an investigation.

Hopkins, 69, also known as Johnny Horton, was arrested in Sunland Park, New Mexico, on a federal complaint charging him with being a felon in possession of firearms and ammunition, the Federal Bureau of Investigation said in a statement."

FBI arrests leader of armed group stopping migrants in New Mexico - Reuters

That was the second link I posted. I just reposted it.

This is the same Larry Hopkins who was previously busted for impersonating a cop, and who was a felon in possession of a firearm. And this is reason enough to keep vigilante groups out of patrolling the border. I don't give a damn what group they belong to. Cops get background checked before they are hired. None of these Bozos got a background check. For all we know, these vigilante groups, including Texas Border Volunteers, are filled with rapists and murderers**. They have no freaking business there. But don't take my word for it....

"On a March 27 visit to El Paso, Texas, next to Sunland Park, then U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) Commissioner Kevin McAleenan said his agency, which runs U.S. Border Patrol, did not need the help of citizens to police the border.

“We are not asking for civil society groups to provide border security assistance,” said McAleenan, who was recently appointed acting secretary of the U.S. Department of Homeland Security.

Rights group condemns U.S. 'vigilante' treatment of migrants on border - Reuters

**But a few of them are probably fine people. LOL.
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AGAIN do you have ANY EVIDENCE that any member of the Texas Border Volunteers has EVER represented themselves as law enforcement officers? If you don't provide evidence this time we will just assume you don't have any.
 
These fellas went about this the wrong way, it’s not the time for frontier justice, that comes after society has broken down...we’re not quite there yet. All they did was get themselves in hot water, and it was unecessary and short sighted. If ya want to affect change, ya have to work with-in the system.
 
SLC said:
AGAIN do you have ANY EVIDENCE that any member of the Texas Border Volunteers has EVER represented themselves as law enforcement officers? If you don't provide evidence this time we will just assume you don't have any.
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And again, they have never been background checked, and do not belong on the border. And again, for all we know, that group is full of rapists and murderers, although a few of them may be fine people.
 
danarhea said:
And again, they have never been background checked, and do not belong on the border. And again, for all we know, that group is full of rapists and murderers, although a few of them may be fine people.
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Video shows none of them are fine people...The Attorney General of New Mexico has ordered investigation to have them removed or arrested if they stay on the border
 
danarhea said:
And again, they have never been background checked, and do not belong on the border. And again, for all we know, that group is full of rapists and murderers, although a few of them may be fine people.
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So at least some of them own the land that they patrol you would deny them the right to defend their own land? What gives you that right?

Also: So you don't have any evidence. Just BS on your part. :lol:
 
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SLC said:
So at least some of them own the land that they patrol you would deny them the right to defend their own land? What gives you that right?
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Again, they have not obtained background checks, and should not be allowed to act as law enforcement officers. Period. They can call the police if someone trespasses, then if they are threatened, they have every right to shoot whoever is doing the threatening. And the problem here is that SOME OF THEM own their land. Most of them don't, and have no business there. New Mexico is getting ready to kick them out of their state, and for good reason.
 
Actually the guys in the OP don't sound so bad compared to the Call of Duty Cosplayers who got arrested this week.
 
danarhea said:
Again, they have not obtained background checks, and should not be allowed to act as law enforcement officers. Period. They can call the police if someone trespasses, then if they are threatened, they have every right to shoot whoever is doing the threatening. And the problem here is that SOME OF THEM own their land. Most of them don't, and have no business there. New Mexico is getting ready to kick them out of their state, and for good reason.
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Making a citizens arrest is common law.
 
Saladin4 said:
Video shows none of them are fine people...The Attorney General of New Mexico has ordered investigation to have them removed or arrested if they stay on the border
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And what would be his reasoning for arresting citizens walking on open land?
 
Thingfish said:
These fellas went about this the wrong way, it’s not the time for frontier justice, that comes after society has broken down...we’re not quite there yet. All they did was get themselves in hot water, and it was unecessary and short sighted. If ya want to affect change, ya have to work with-in the system.
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Pffft. If society actually broke down, I suspect these "Sir Robins" would be hiding in a corner wetting themselves.
 
JustHanging said:
Pffft. If society actually broke down, I suspect these "Sir Robins" would be hiding in a corner wetting themselves.
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oh we’re back to talking now after your spanking, okay good.

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Huh???
 
Sabre said:
Evidently you do not have daughters, any father would be concerned about any stranger asking their daughters for a ride.



This makes not sense as written, Breaking down to what I think it says: "As I have repeatedly shown, calling militia thugs “law abiding” is a pathetic joke, and claiming it “shows reverence” is flat out false."

Leaving a stand alone statement: "that the cartels have numerous well trained former Mexican special forces soldiers, and that any confrontation would end with the militias getting wiped out, which they know full well"

Sounds to me like you are favoring the cartels.
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That may well be what it sounds like IF someone is prepared to operate on the basis of "ANYTHING American is infinitely better than anything that is NOT American.".

For those who think "Heavily armed, militarily trained, violence inured, motivated, and dedicated people who are organized and led by people who know what they want to achieve and will stop at nothing to achieve it have at least a slight advantage over people who are less well armed, civilian oriented, poorly dedicated and constitute a assemblage that is close to being a rabble led by posers." it isn't quite so clear that "Tigrace 117"s position is doing much more than stating the obvious.

Do you want to "clean up the existing gang problem in __[fill in the blank]__"? Well, one way of doing that would be to invite one of the Mexican cartels in to __[fill in the blank]__ and tell them that they will have a free hand unhampered by law enforcement agencies. In short order, "gang warfare" would come to a screeching halt. That would be because the existing gang members were either dead of members of the cartel you invited in to "clean up the existing gang problem in __[fill in the blank]__".

Of course you would NOT like this "new and improved" situation one little bit - BUT is would have SOLVED the EXISTING problem.
 
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