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Videos appear to show armed militia detaining migrants at US-Mexico border

Meet the General of the Militias, Jim Peyton. He says another militia general appointed him general. Apparently they appointed each other. Peyton said he shelled a thousand bucks out of his own pocket to travel from Bama to New Mexico to take charge of the militias.

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Jim Peyton, who called himself a "general" of the Patriots of the Constitution militia. (via Facebook)

Hopkins also claimed to be working closely with another militia, Patriots of the Constitution, which is based out of Alabama but had traveled to New Mexico in response to the caravan.

When the SPLC spoke to Jim Peyton, who calls himself the militia’s general, on Oct. 25, he said that he and the group’s other general, Terry Kelley, had recently arrived in Columbus, New Mexico, just a few miles north of the Mexico border. They’d driven straight through, without sleep, for two days to get there, he said.

Like Hopkins, Peyton wouldn’t say exactly how many people besides Kelley were taking part in his militia activities, but claimed it was “over 100 people.” Peyton also claimed that he was in charge of all the militia activities along the border.

“All the other militias have been contacted. We’re all acting as one,” Peyton told the SPLC. “When they come here, I’ll be commanding officer. And they’ll follow my ord — the orders that we have.”

He said that everyone in his group had served in the military in the past. “We’re not a bunch of hillbillies running around with muskets,” he said. “People know what the rules are, what the rules of engagement are, what the rules of the border patrol are. And that’s how we’re operating.”

Peyton’s belief in a number of conspiracy theories prompted him to head to the border. Nigerians in the caravan? Check. Militants with the Islamic State? Check. Soros financing it? Check. His information, he said, came “from good sources, reliable sources, government-type sources.” What were those sources? He wouldn’t say. But he said he believed the caravan and other recent events were attempts to distract from what he saw as crimes committed by “the left.”

“Obama, Hillary, Schumer, Soros need to go in front of a military tribunal,” Peyton said. Asked what he meant by that, he replied: “Arrested. Tried by the military for treason.”


Caravan paranoia is tearing the border militia movement apart | Southern Poverty Law Center


And we don't need to go very far to figure out who their commander in chief is.

I think the above is more than enough for any rational person to make up their minds.
A GENERAL?? In order to have a military rank, one must be a member of an ARMY, and ARMIES serve COUNTRIES.
If an army does not serve a country, then they are either mercenaries, or they are anti-government insurgents, or they are private armies serving someone or something else.

In free republics, there's no room for two militaries, there is only ONE military. That military might have different branches but it is one military. This isn't brain surgery.

I don't care if all the members of this outfit served in the military in the past. They're not serving in the military now, they're serving in something that does not exist in a free republic, they serve in a PARAMILITARY army.

"paramilitary". Oxford English Dictionary (3rd ed.). Oxford University Press. June 2011 [online edition; original published in June 2005]. Retrieved 2011-09-13.
Designating, of, or relating to a force or unit whose function and organization are analogous or ancillary to those of a professional military force, but which is not regarded as having professional or legitimate status.

Legitimate.
It all boils down to one word: LEGITIMATE.
If something is not legitimate, it is illegitimate, and therefore UNACCOUNTABLE.

This man is a general of NOTHING.
There is no place for an illegitimate army in a free republic.
 
So since you have nothing to address my post you set up a strawman. "A straw man is a form of argument and an informal fallacy based on giving the impression of refuting an opponent's argument, while actually refuting an argument that was not presented by that opponent. One who engages in this fallacy is said to be "attacking a straw man."



So you're saying that me pointing out your gish galloping is a straw man.

ROFLMAO.jpg

I don't think you have a complete understanding of the word, and I believe that's intentional.
 
Maybe he's angling to take advantage of Mr. Trump's offer to defend people who break the law and commit violent acts (in Mr. Trump's support, of course) and Mr. Trump's ability to pardon people.

Yeah except Trump has yet to make good on one of those promises yet. Not even one.
Talk about the ultimate bait and switch.
 
On the assumption that they do nothing other than hang goodies on their cars so that their cars sort of look like police cars, I can see where doing that just might have more of a positive effect (i.e keeping the kooks, nuts, loonies, and just plain crappy drivers away from their cars) than it would have negative effect (i.e. attracting the the kooks, nuts, loonies, and stupid pathetic losers who get their jollies out of shooting cops to their cars).

Uhhhhhhh yeahNO.
 
Actually, it is not. If you don't know what you're taking about, better to keep your mouth shut, or your fingers from moving, in this case.

Actually it is, sorry you don't like the truth.
 
Actually it is, sorry you don't like the truth.

I love the truth, that's why I had to respond to the error.

New Mexico, like most jurisdictions, allows citizens arrest only for felonies. 2013 New Mexico Statutes
Chapter 31 - Criminal Procedure
Article 4 - Extradition
Section 31-4-14 - Arrest without a warrant. (1937)

Universal Citation: NM Stat § 31-4-14 (2013)

31-4-14. Arrest without a warrant. (1937)
The arrest of a person may be lawfully made also by any peace officer or a private person without a warrant upon reasonable information that the accused stands charged in the courts of a state with a crime punishable by death or imprisonment for a term exceeding one year,

They had not, in fact, committed any crime under the jurisdiction of New Mexico. To my knowledge there is no federal citizen's arrest authority.
 
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And THAT is the biggest problem that the situation points to.

What will be "real fun" is when two of those "private militias" with different "mandates" run into each other.

Personally I think that it is time for Congress to exercise its constitutional mandate and REQUIRE "The Militia" to undertake specific training programs. Of course, since one of the things that "militias" are required to do is to provide their own arms and equipment and sustenance that wouldn't involve the expenditure of a dime in federal money and "The Feds" could mandate (let's say) a two week training period with the members of "The Militia" required to provide weapons chambered for a specific calibre of ammunition PLUS their own uniforms (which "The Feds" can specify), tentage, and rations for the duration.

Now, of course that would be financially inconvenient for one or two people, so I'd propose that ANY person could "opt out" of "The Militia" simply by signing a declaration that they were NOT a member of "The Militia". Of course, since the 2nd Amendment DOES reference "The Militia" and since, at present, "The Militia" includes every able-bodied male between the ages of 17 and 45 (and, because we're in a modern world that, of necessity, includes every able-bodied female between the ages of 19 and 45) those people who choose NOT to be members of "The Militia" would no longer fall within the ambit of the 2nd Amendment.
Personally, we don't care what you think....

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No, the real "fun" begins when several dozen of them decide to organize together in a mutually cooperative plan to pursue an agreed upon mandate, say perhaps to overthrow or take control of a duly elected government.

How does a mandate like that look and sound?


Um, Alex I'll take Russian Collusion narrative for $500...



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For what...defending the constitution? Secondly what are you anti gunners going to shoot them with?

Which part of the Constitution gives them the right to be law enforcement?
 
Who educated you on the constitution?

The constitution does not say they are allowed to effect an arrest or detainment of anyone. They're allowed to be armed.

Don't misconstrue our rights, please.
 
The constitution does not say they are allowed to effect an arrest or detainment of anyone. They're allowed to be armed.

Don't misconstrue our rights, please.

I expect we're going to be treated to a disquisition on "the militia" by someone who is totally ignorant of both the history and meaning of the Constitution. That's who makes up these patr-idiot brigades and their sympathizers.
 
Ah, what a convincing counterargument......not.

Pansies who run around waving rifles at women and little kids and jerk off to Red Dawn are no match for former Mexican special forces.

Is that who's coming across the border? I guess we should send in the military with Abram tanks.
 
The second amendement.

LOL so anyone with a gun is in law enforcement? I guess you better put your hands up when a Bloods or MS13 gang member points a gun at you. :lol:
 
Is that who's coming across the border? I guess we should send in the military with Abram tanks.

Lol I bet you’d love that. Unfortunately for you and the rest of the Trump cult, the military has no interest in shooting unarmed civilians. The militia movement, on the other hand, has never had a problem with doing so.
 
LOL so anyone with a gun is in law enforcement? I guess you better put your hands up when a Bloods or MS13 gang member points a gun at you. :lol:

Facepalm @ uneducated leftists.
 
Facepalm @ uneducated leftists.

LOL Im not a leftist, and the 2nd amendment is the right to bear arms, its got nothing to do with being in law enforcement. Looks like somebody needs to go back to school. :lamo
 
LOL Im not a leftist, and the 2nd amendment is the right to bear arms, its got nothing to do with being in law enforcement. Looks like somebody needs to go back to school. :lamo

Facepalm...why do we have the right to bear arms?
 
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