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[W:914,1223] Robert Mueller's report is out

trixare4kids said:
Well good, I am just thrilled to hear this.

Oh, and one other thing. Please do not speak for me, personally.
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I'm sorry, I may have missed all of your posts saying that you disagreed with "Make America Great Again" as a slogan, because Trump was wrong, and America never stopped being great.

I'm sure they are on here though.

By the way, I missed you pointing out to that poster that you and he don't get to speak for "Americans".
 
ecofarm said:
And when black crime rates are up, do white people also get credit?

No, white people only get credit for good numbers. Black people get credit for bad numbers.

Good thing Trump saved the black people.
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Goal post moving.
apples to oranges; economy v. crime.
 
trixare4kids said:
The day you can prove that Catherine Herridige, Chris Wallace, Andrew Napolitano and Brett Hume's Mueller report briefings are biased, you'll have a point. The point is, Mueller wrote, his probe did not find that Trump campaign officials participated in an illegal conspiracy to aid Moscow’s efforts to influence the outcome of the 2016 election.

I haven't read it, nor have you. Your point again is? I will find something different than I stated above?
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Black bold:
I didn't stutter. My points are exactly those I wrote in post 176:

"Based on how long it took to "download" the report, I bet I can count on one hand the number of folks here who'll actually read it. I suspect too that even as most folks won't read the document, they'll yet form conclusions about what it says and/or implies."
-- Xelor, Post 176​


Red:
You're right, I haven't. That's why I've refrained from posting any comments about the nature of the behavior indicated in the report, or anything else pertaining to it.


Blue:
  1. As I noted in post 282, which is the post to which your above remarks are a reply, consuming the "Cliff Notes" and/or watching the movie pales in comparison to reading the book.
  2. Whether they are or aren't biased is of no matter until I've read the document for myself and can assess the documents' content. I will read the report as time allows, and before I've done so, I don't have a damn thing to say about it and I'll not form an opinion about the report, Mueller's data collection, data analysis or the behavior as Mueller describes it.
  3. Of each of the individuals whom you noted, only one of them has a law degree; thus though I'm willing to acknowledge each of them as intelligent, only that one has more legal training than I do (fundamental legal theory, tax law, and business law). Consequently, I definitely don't care about the other three's opinions on the report; their opinions are the "same as a bellybutton," theirs just happens to appear on a television program. That we can see theirs on TV doesn't make them sound or cogent.
  4. Bias isn't the issue that concerns me. Preponderantly accurate in terms of fact and context is what matters, and having not read the document, one is in no position to say whether anyone's remarks, other than those made by Mueller and his co-authors, about Mueller's report are preponderantly accurate.
  5. Unless and until the DoJ rescinds its OLC opinion that presumably proscribes criminally indicting and prosecuting a sitting POTUS, illegality is irrelevant. Moreover, the bar of sufficiency for presidential conduct is not, AFAIC, whether the POTUS' actions are lawful; however, yes, a POTUS' actions must, in addition to being scrupulous, unselfish, virtuous, rectitudinous, and decorous, be lawful.

    I didn't need Mueller's report to know damn well little to nothing Trump's done as a POTUS candidate or as POTUS is scrupulous, unselfish, virtuous, rectitudinous, and decorous. Moreover, I already know and it's been asserted under oath in federal court, that Trump is a co-conspirator in a felony, and, again, I didn't need Mueller's report to know that.
 
trixare4kids said:
Well good, I am just thrilled to hear this.

Oh, and one other thing. Please do not speak for me, personally.
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No one is speaking for you. You support the motto. You lost faith. Not others.
 
tres borrachos said:
I'm sorry, I may have missed all of your posts saying that you disagreed with "Make America Great Again" as a slogan, because Trump was wrong, and America never stopped being great.

I'm sure they are on here though.
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It makes my heart flutter that you're personally so invested in all posts where I have said, Trump is doing a good job with the economy.
 
trixare4kids said:
Goal post moving.
apples to oranges; economy v. crime.
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"Why can't black people get their act together?!!?"
Black unemployment is down.
"Thanks, Trump."
 
ecofarm said:
No one is speaking for you. You support the motto. You lost faith. Not others.
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How dare I support a president who kept a key campaign promise to make America's economy greater?
Oh the horrors.
 
tres borrachos said:
There are people in this country who believe the Earth is 6000 years old, too. Luckily most people aren't that stupid.

Or are you saying that people who want Medicare for all are like welfare leeches? I don't want single payer or any of that (Like Trump did all those years until he didn't), but I also don't consider the ones who do to be on a par with people who intentionally don't work because they want free food and housing. I'm not that jaded.
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No...I am not saying people who want Medicare are like welfare leeches. Perhaps I did not come across very well. But I do believe there are people who do not get that Medicare for all will include a rather hefty increase in their taxes. They are just hearing "free" without necessarily understanding the full impact. That is one of the reasons I believe its important for debates and interviews. Being well informed before casting a vote. Looking forward to hearing the solutions that will be presented by those running for office.
 
Mithros said:
Thanks! I appreciate your confirmation of my mental acumen.

(Cherry picking part of a sentence can have a tendency to change the meaning, don't you think?)
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Wow...that was the dumbest ****in post I've read in a while. I didn't even cherry pick anything. What clown shoes of a post.
 
trixare4kids said:
It makes my heart flutter that you're personally so invested in all posts where I have said, Trump is doing a good job with the economy.
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Bill Clinton did a great job with the economy, too. Barack Obama did a great job with the economy, too. What does that have to do with Trump and his malfeasances?

By the way, I'm still waiting for you to provide the data and details about how Trump managed to get jobs for the black people.
 
Bullseye said:
Do you serve fries with your nothing burgers?
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Oh, you're gonna' absolutely love this thread.

I guess next they'll be saying Trump is going to serve up Russian golden eggs at the WH kid's Easter egg hunt.
 
trixare4kids said:
Please do not speak for me, personally.
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Step 1: Spend entire thread lying about what people have said, what people are in the process of saying, and what people will say in future

Step 2: Complain about someone accurately describing your actual words.

Step 3: profit..... ?
 
TamleeB said:
No...I am not saying people who want Medicare are like welfare leeches. Perhaps I did not come across very well. But I do believe there are people who do not get that Medicare for all will include a rather hefty increase in their taxes. They are just hearing "free" without necessarily understanding the full impact. That is one of the reasons I believe its important for debates and interviews. Being well informed before casting a vote. Looking forward to hearing the solutions that will be presented by those running for office.
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I know when Sanders talks about Medicare for all what specifically he's talking about. I'm sure you do too. Most Americans will not think it's free.

His advantage is the GOP has nothing to talk about. Trump saying "you'll get our plan after the election" isn't a winning strategy.
 
Mithros said:
Barr is a hack.

Barr's release: "The investigation did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in it's election interference activities"

The actual quote:
The investigation also identified numerous links between the the Russian government and the Trump campaign. Although the investigation established that the Russian government perceived it would benefit from a Trump presidency and worked to secure that outcome, and that the Campaign expected it would benefit electorally from information stolen and released through Russian efforts, the investigation did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in it's election interference activities"

He cut a sentence in half! Basically, it's 100% proven that the Trump campaign cooperated and coordinated with the Russian government. But because the Russian government committed the crimes, and it couldn't be established that the Trump campaign explicitly asked for those crimes to be committed.. it was technically not criminal.
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I'll take Mueller and his team's interpretation, rather than your creative efforts. :cool:
 
Mr Person said:
Step 1: Spend entire thread lying about what people have said, what people are in the process of saying, and what people will say in future

Step 2: Complain about someone accurately describing your actual words.

Step 3: profit..... ?
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tres borrachos said:
Actually I stand by what facts are known. He was actually not exonerated of obstruction of justice. He was exonerated of conspiracy, which isn't a surprise to anyone anyway.
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That was in Barr's synopsis. Why do you make it a big deal now?
 
Chomsky said:
From the bits & pieces I'm catching, I'm getting kinda' blown away that Trump managed to skip-out on all this.
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I don't think he's in the clear yet. Take this paragraph from page 382:

Under OLC's analysis, Congress can permissibly criminalize certain obstructive conduct
by the President, such as suborning perjury, intimidating witnesses , or fabricating evidence ,
because those prohibitions raise no separation-of-powers questions . See Application of28 U.S.C.
§ 458 to Presidential Appointments of Federal Judges, 19 Op. O.L.C. at 357 n.11. The
Constitution does not authorize the President to engage in such conduct, and those actions would
transgress the President's duty to "take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed." U.S. CONST.
ART TT, §§ 3. In view of those clearly permissible applications of the obstruction statutes to the
President , Franklin's holding that the President is entirely excluded from a statute absent a clear
statement would not apply in this context.
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I think this backs up the theory that Mueller clearly meant to hand this off to congress.
 
tres borrachos said:
Bill Clinton did a great job with the economy, too. Barack Obama did a great job with the economy, too. What does that have to do with Trump and his malfeasances?

By the way, I'm still waiting for you to provide the data and details about how Trump managed to get jobs for the black people.
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You can wait all day. I've said what needed to say as to why once unemployed blacks have found employment due to the effective, economy growing policies of this president.

Maybe you could tell us how Obama did such a great job with the economy... :coffeepap:
Won't argue over Bill. When you were voting for Republicans, I voted for him twice.
 
Verax said:
LoL, we just got the report half an hour ago. We need to read it, and then we need to find out what the redacted portions are covering up. This is just beginning.
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The redactions are clearly marked. Keep clinging to that straw if you wish but look for a log or two to grab as you circle the bowl.
 
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