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[W:914,1223] Robert Mueller's report is out

TamleeB said:
I agree that congress needs to fix the immigration issue, but its apparent at this point they are not interested. It is a crisis, and its getting worse every single day.
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I don't think they're not interested. I think it's become such a political issue they don't want to touch it because it threatens their re-election campaigns.
 
Mr Person said:
And if Sanders doesn't have the nomination are they sitting home again? If Sanders runs and doesn't get the nomination, I doubt they'll feel any different this time, even if they had nothing explicit to point to regarding a 'rigged primary' the second time around. So the Dems may very well be operating without them.

I wouldn't put too much weight on them, though. Hillary could easily have won without them if she hadn't ran such an arrogant and foolish campaign. I remember reading articles from volunteers in a few key states she ignored saying they could barely so much as get the attention of the national campaign. They were just out there trying to do what they thought could help, rudderless. Utter ineptitude from Hillary and a populace without enough cynicism is what handed Trump the win.
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Hillary was negligent in protecting classified information. Although Republicans obsess about her emails, they have a point about her carelessness. She would have been a very crappy president, but we have a very crappy president now. Although I have been voting Libertarian for many years now, at this time I am putting myself in the Romney camp, and hope he carries out his effort to primary Trump. If he manages to do that, I will be voting Republican in 2020 as a measure of my thanks..
 
tres borrachos said:
If you skipped Haiku class to come here and post, you're probably going to get a detention.
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Don't go blaming me for the Democrats and their supporters attempting to chickenheartedly
countermand the nominal American mood towards Sore Losers.
 
trixare4kids said:
And because some of us react on this thread to how this is currently being played, as you have said above, just wrongly.... we are personally disparaged for supporting a president who has been cleared of wrong-doing. This is a good day for our country, but we're the ones who are being told we are wrong for showing happiness.

Well color me wrong, but I am proud to be an American today.
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Do you plan to read the report, I do?
 
foolardi said:
So you aren't aware of how both Bernie and O'Dourke pulled out all the stops to lower their tax burden.Bernie the Fraud had an effective tax rate in the mid-20's.
Instead of mid 30's.
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First, you are clearly switching topics. I accept you conceded the previous one.

As to this new topic, no, I am not aware. Please educate me. Did they break laws like the folded Trump charity?
 
tres borrachos said:
Which politician is promising "free" healthcare?

I agree that healthcare is going to get debated widely. Immigration? Not as much but yes, to some degree. Healthcare is the elephant in the room, the common thread, the one thing that impacts all Americans. It will be entertaining, or something...
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Sanders. I watched his town hall, and he did backtrack and admit that it will be free....at the time of service but that raising taxes would need to happen to pay for it. I do agree that Healthcare is a concern for most of us.
 
Chomsky said:
Actually, it's the Cohen-Daniels thing I was most directly speaking of, and believe the most likely.

Cohen pleaded guilty, and Trump was named as a co-conspirator "Individual One" in the charging document. After reading the sentencing notes, I see no way SDNY cannot charge Trump. And by "cannot charge Trump", I'm not speaking euphemistically. I'm stating this in terms where SDNY might be legally bound, or at the least they'd have some big-time 'spaining to do.
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Cohen can be (and was) charged if he agreed he was making the payoff because of the campaign.
But Trump's position would be that he'd have agreed to the payoff even if he wasn't involved in a campaign.
The campaign laws make that distinction. So says a former FEC Chairman ...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...ory.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.7ee936f0a8cd
 
trouble13 said:
So when clinton breaks the law she gets s pass because intent was not proven (which is debatable) butvwhen Trump does not break the law you want him fovicted on his intent to breal the law (again debstable)

Do i have that about right?

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Obscurity said:
I don't think they're not interested. I think it's become such a political issue they don't want to touch it because it threatens their re-election campaigns.
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Bingo! On that we agree. Making it a political issue instead of addressing the problem and working on a solution makes me angry.
 
danarhea said:
Hillary was negligent in protecting classified information. Although Republicans obsess about her emails, they have a point about her carelessness. She would have been a very crappy president, but we have a very crappy president now. Although I have been voting Libertarian for many years now, at this time I am putting myself in the Romney camp, and hope he carries out his effort to primary Trump. If he manages to do that, I will be voting Republican in 2020 as a measure of my thanks..
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It would be nice if Bill Weld had a snowball's chance in hell. He would be a vast step up in terms of quality nominee than the current buffoon they put up last time...
 
TamleeB said:
Sanders. I watched his town hall, and he did backtrack and admit that it will be free....at the time of service but that raising taxes would need to happen to pay for it. I do agree that Healthcare is a concern for most of us.
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I don't think anyone in this country is stupid enough to think healthcare is free. Most people are astute enough to know that doctors don't work pro bono.
 
Obscurity said:
The only dem candidate is sanders. As a sanders voter, I will not stay home this time. I will vote blue, because I want legal cannabis and I want a reduction in our interference in other countries. I will vote to oppose Trump, because his presidency has been a complete disaster.

Remember, though. Us Bernie voters GAVE you Trump when you gave us Clinton.

I don't speak for all Bernie supporters, but I cannot say for sure that they will come vote against DJT and his menagerie of corruption.
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That's the thing. I don't think you did give us Trump. First, the only Bernie voters who could give us Trump are those in the key states Hillary didn't campaign in, which are also flip states. But most Bernie voters are in the heavier blue states, which went Dem anyway, so they can't really be said to have given us Trump. Only where it made an actual difference in where a state's EC votes went could it matter.

The number of Bernie voters in those few states would have to be greater than the amount of people who weren't Bernie supporters but failed to vote Hillary because her failure to appeal to them or otherwise campaign in the state turned them off, for them to have given us Trump. (Granted, these numbers cannot be accurately calculated). In other words, if Hillary lost more votes from ignoring those states than she did from the DNC disfavoring Bernie, Bernie voters could not have given us Trump. And since these tend to be flip-flop states, I rather suspect that's the case.
 
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danarhea said:
It's getting juicier. Mueller report exposes Don Jr.'s communications with Wikileaks.
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And then there's Kushner's Russian back-door communications attempt.

Mueller found-out the Russian ambassador turned him down, even while Kushner adamantly wanted it!

My God, is it any wonder Russia pursued these clowns?
 
Cardinal said:
Should be a breezy read. Now to learn why Barr felt like he needed to put his own spin on it.

And by the way, this is Barr’s redacted version of the report.
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Have you even looked at yet? I'm hearing it described as "lightly redacted".
 
foolardi said:
Don't go blaming me for the Democrats and their supporters attempting to chickenheartedly
countermand the nominal American mood towards Sore Losers.
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You obviously quoted the wrong person. I don't recall responding to one of your Haiku posts and blaming you for anything. Can you please provide a link to that post?
 
foolardi said:
Because it proves that there still is faith in the country.
Which is why Trump won the presidency.
That now at least rational and sane Americans can breathe a sigh of relief in knowing
the Mueller Investigation is over.Finished.

Keeping in mind how bugged Trump rivals are over terms like Make America Great.
That used to be a given among the Populace.But since the Democrat Party is the
official party of the Crazies,it no longer is the case.
Today was a victory for America and Americans.Who gives a cluck what Dimocrats
and their Crazies believe.We already have one state chock full of Dimocrat Crazies.
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You're much too kind. :mrgreen:

I thought I laid it out succinctly as to why today is a good day for our country.
We can lead a horse to water, but we can't make them drink it...
 
Fruityfact said:
Mueller said it wouldn't be fair for him to charge the president. He has left the decision up to congress. Cmon man, be honest, it's not hard to figure out.
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Wouldn't be FAIR?

Granted, I haven't read the report, maybe you are 100% right, and he literally said, "It wouldn't be fair for me to charge someone who I believe actually did the things, I want to charge them of" but that seems a bit of a stretch....
 
Mithros said:
Barr is a hack.

Barr's release: "The investigation did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in it's election interference activities"

The actual quote:
The investigation also identified numerous links between the the Russian government and the Trump campaign. Although the investigation established that the Russian government perceived it would benefit from a Trump presidency and worked to secure that outcome, and that the Campaign expected it would benefit electorally from information stolen and released through Russian efforts, the investigation did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in it's election interference activities"

He cut a sentence in half! Basically, it's 100% proven that the Trump campaign cooperated and coordinated with the Russian government. But because the Russian government committed the crimes, and it couldn't be established that the Trump campaign explicitly asked for those crimes to be committed.. it was technically not criminal.
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trouble13 said:
So when clinton breaks the law she gets s pass because intent was not proven (which is debatable) butvwhen Trump does not break the law you want him fovicted on his intent to breal the law (again debstable)

Do i have that about right?
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Did Mithros say Trump should be indicted anyway?

No, no he did not.

Oopsie.
 
Obscurity said:
I'm guessing you're one of those centrists that would like someone like... Harris? Or, Biden?
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I'm still registered as a Republican so I'm voting for Weld in the NH primary.

The general will be complicated, but if it means casting a vote for the Democrat opposing Trump, at this point I'm going to do it.
 
tres borrachos said:
I don't think anyone in this country is stupid enough to think healthcare is free. Most people are astute enough to know that doctors don't work pro bono.
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Oh...I believe there are indeed people in this country who believe it would be free. The same way they have managed to get free housing and free food. They often aren't concerned with "who" paid for it, just that it costs them zero.
 
trixare4kids said:
You're much too kind. :mrgreen:

I thought I laid it out succinctly as to why today is a good day for our country.
We can lead a horse to water, but we can't make them drink it...
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Most Americans never lost faith in this country, Trix. The people who didn't vote for Trump weren't the ones running around saying the country was no longer great. That was Trump and his supporters who said that. Succinctly, you were the one who lost faith in the country. Not us.
 
Mr Person said:
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Literally mocking someone for allegedly thinking she is capable of shame. I guess that's their only strategy left. If they admit they've defended a corrupt scumbag, they can't but help admitting their opinion is worth no more than its weight in votes. That, in turn, means the moment the Dems run someone who isn't as detestable as Hillary, the people who see this report for what it is (certainly not a declaration of complete innocence) become relevant again and the trixies irrelevant again.

After all, the only point in the GOP aiming for committed hardcore Trump supporters is if the Dems run someone so horrible the middle 10% of the voting population doesn't support either candidate. They're a minority. They've been shrinking specifically because of their complete refusal to listen to anything other than what they want to hear and their "pwn the libtards" type behavior, which manifests in....well.... look at which type of poster has been quoting the report at length and which type of poster has been posting pictures of babies. And since the GOP has more or less completely capitulated, Trump is the likely nominee, and there's no reason to think he won't only focus on those shrinking committed supporters.

So be my guest, Trumpists. Spend as much of the next two years doing the dishonest annoy-a-liberal routine. You've bled enough support that you are going to become irrelevant again in 2020, just another guaranteed red vote, and that's even if the GOP nominates someone else this time. Politicians don't appeal to guaranteed votes, except maybe Trump, who focuses on them. The only reason you're in the position you are now - at least able to lie to each other about how awesome Trump supposedly is - is because Hillary made a fatal mistake of assuming she had enough guaranteed votes in three flip-flop states. Without that, even she would have beaten Trump.

What's the probability, do you think, that the Dems run Hillary again and Hillary again ignores those three states?

:thinking









PS: this post isn't actually for you to respond to, trixie. The time for discussion was in the first 54 pages you relentlessly trolled.
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Need a tissue?
Sorry, I am fresh out.
Too many leftist tears this morning...

Happy days ahead! :2wave:
 
TamleeB said:
Oh...I believe there are indeed people in this country who believe it would be free. The same way they have managed to get free housing and free food. They often aren't concerned with "who" paid for it, just that it costs them zero.
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There are people in this country who believe the Earth is 6000 years old, too. Luckily most people aren't that stupid.

Or are you saying that people who want Medicare for all are like welfare leeches? I don't want single payer or any of that (Like Trump did all those years until he didn't), but I also don't consider the ones who do to be on a par with people who intentionally don't work because they want free food and housing. I'm not that jaded.
 
tres borrachos said:
Most Americans never lost faith in this country, Trix. The people who didn't vote for Trump weren't the ones running around saying the country was no longer great. That was Trump and his supporters who said that. Succinctly, you were the one who lost faith in the country. Not us.
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Well good, I am just thrilled to hear this.

Oh, and one other thing. Please do not speak for me, personally.
 
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