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[W:914,1223] Robert Mueller's report is out

Volume 1, Page 173

In sum, the investigation established multiple links between Trump Campaign officials and
individuals tied to the Russian government. Those links included Russian offers of assistance to
the Campaign. In some instances, the Campaign was receptive to the offer, while in other instances
the Campaign officials shied away.

Republicans - "No indictment? Then it's a nothing burger"

Nothing is beneath the office of POTUS from now on. Unless it's a crime, you can do anything.
 
Geoist said:
That is funny, considering conservatives go 'ga-ga' over someone who needs bullet points for his daily briefings and has a general aversion to reading.
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Nothing funny about you libs reading into the report. But keep at it, it's becoming almost as humorous as MSNBC whining about Hillary's loss.
 
Saladin4 said:
We don't need to hear about what your doing right now...TMI
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Sorry but I'm not a weenie Starbucks liberal neutered of any semblance of manhood. When I 'pull it' something actually happens.


Might have something to do with having testosterone and not being ashamed of it.
 
Mr Person said:
Then you're less cynical than I am, since I don't think there was ever a chance of anything different happening, and have said as much throughout this whole thing.

- DOJ policy meant Mueller would not recommend indicting Trump (indeed, he seems to have gone farther and avoided making any explicit determination of whether Trump himself committed a crime)

- Even if the House could get enough votes to impeach, the GOP in the senate would never allow conviction.

- There are a ton of other state/federal investigations, and Trump very well may not skip out on those. He's probably praying for the combination of re-election and statutes of limitation (5 years for most federal crimes, at least) save him. But that's for later, after the damage is done.

- As to those, I guarantee you that no amount of later criminal convictions will make Trump supporters repent of their behavior in the last few years. They will claim Trump was framed, that the juries and judges were biased, etc., and treat him like a martyr if he's later convicted.



I really do think politics is broken. The only real hope I have is that a generation of kids grow up watching their parents behave in an insanely partisan fashion, and maybe a few decades from now we get back to sanity as they push back.
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I'm not surprised by the reaction of the Left to the Mueller Report. The only way that the Mueller Report would have been satisfactory to Progressive Marxist Socialist Democrat Leftists is that every lie from the Left about Trump was verified by the "Report". Now that Democrats have been once again found to be fools and liars, they are willing to further destroy themselves and this country by forcing impeachment of Trump. Meanwhile they may all face prosecution from Bath House Barry, Lynch, Comey, Ohr et al.
 
smallvoice said:
Nothing funny about you libs reading into the report. But keep at it, it's becoming almost as humorous as MSNBC whining about Hillary's loss.
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The fact that the only example of "trying to find something where it isn't there", or basically "fake scandal" is to....talk about Hillary losing :lol:...just shows how much of a partisan hack you are.
 
brothern said:
On that Russia-collusion point, it says, ...

"The investigation established that several individuals affiliated with the Trump Campaign lied to the Office, and to Congress, about their interactions with Russian-affiliated individuals and related matters. Those lies materially impaired the investigation of Russian election interference. The Office charged some of those lies as violations of the federal false statements statute."

And,

"The Office learned that some of the individuals we interviewed or whose conduct we investigated—including some associated with the Trump Campaign—deleted relevant communications or communicated during the relevant period using applications that feature encryption or that do not provide for long-term retention of data or communications records. In such cases, the Office was not able to corroborate witness statements through comparison to contemporaneous communications or fully question witnesses about statements that appeared inconsistent with other known facts. Accordingly, while this report embodies factual and legal determinations that the Office believes to be accurate and complete to the greatest extent possible, given these identified gaps, the Office cannot rule out the possibility that the unavailable information would shed additional light on (or cast in a new light) the events described in the report."

In other words, Mueller was hindered by Trump campaign officials lying about or deleting/hiding key information that would've allowed him to come to a thorough conclusion.
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Well, it doesn't say that it would specifically have allowed a conclusion (how could it if they didn't know exactly what was missing?). But it definitely is yet another mound of corrupt behavior by Team Trump
 
So the bottom line of the report is just what Barr said.
No "collusion" and obstruction couldn't be shown.
I guess people are getting so worked up because of their disappointment.
 
Trump Obstruction.jpg

So does Trump have to thank the Deep State for not having committed Obstruction?

lol
 
smallvoice said:
Nothing funny about you libs reading into the report. But keep at it, it's becoming almost as humorous as MSNBC whining about Hillary's loss.
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Most of the people who voted for Trump love how he is just like them when it comes to intellect. They love the idea of a billionaire who is dumber than a box of rocks. They love the idea of a president who won't make them feel inferior with big words and references to things only English Majors would understand.
 
ettoremathedi said:
Volume 1, Page 173

In sum, the investigation established multiple links between Trump Campaign officials and
individuals tied to the Russian government. Those links included Russian offers of assistance to
the Campaign. In some instances, the Campaign was receptive to the offer, while in other instances
the Campaign officials shied away.

Republicans - "No indictment? Then it's a nothing burger"

Nothing is beneath the office of POTUS from now on. Unless it's a crime, you can do anything.
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Mueller said no collusion. Suck it up buttercup.
 
Ikari said:
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So does Trump have to thank the Deep State for not having committed Obstruction?

lol
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How can anyone read this and say he's clean? So basically the POTUS tried to obstruct justice multiple times and just because someone stopped him impeachment is out of the question? what happened to criminal intent?
 
trixare4kids said:
I'm looking for your comments on Jerry Nadler's hypocrisy. I guess you have nothing to say about this, amirite?
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Trolling Chomsky about your whattaboutism now?

Have you managed to type one word about the actual factual contents of the report, or did you consider it safest to fling **** at non-Trumpists from the maximum distance possible?
 
dobieg said:
Mueller said no collusion. Suck it up buttercup.
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So they had links, had multiple talks, had offers of assistance, trump people went after the russians to get information, many meetings happened, but no indictment.

Conclusion : no collusion?
 
Geoist said:
Most of the people who voted for Trump love how he is just like them when it comes to intellect. They love the idea of a billionaire who is dumber than a box of rocks. They love the idea of a president who won't make them feel inferior with big words and references to things only English Majors would understand.
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Perhaps if we were smarter, we'd elect a community organizer.
 
apdst said:
You lose. :lamo
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Sad, that some pretend they know more than the Department of Justice...
Whatever happened to their pious rants when some came right out and accused us of undermining the rule of law when we questioned the need for the Mueller investigation? :lol:

Nothing worse than a self-righteous hypocrite.
 
ettoremathedi said:
How can anyone read this and say he's clean? So basically the POTUS tried to obstruct justice multiple times and just because someone stopped him impeachment is out of the question? what happened to criminal intent?
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Impeachment is not out the question...It must be done...
 
OscarLevant said:
There is nothing illegal about indicting a sitting president.
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There isn't, but Mueller isn't indicting Trump. However, this is not the end of Trump's troubles with the law.

1) There are, at this time, more than 3 dozen sealed indictments sitting on the DC docket. My bet is that other members of Trump's campaign will eventually be charged, once those indictments are unsealed.

2) The hush money investigation by SDNY is still in progress.

3) The Inaugural Committee investigation is still in progress, being conducted by prosecutors in Brooklyn and Los Angeles. The DC office is also involved, and has already completed a plea deal with one of the conspirators.

4) The Trump Foundation Investigation by the State of New York is still in progress.

5) The New York State tax investigation is still in progress.

6) The Trump projects' financing is still under investigation by the State of New York.

7) Summer Zervos' defamation lawsuit is still in progress.

8) The emoluments lawsuit is still in progress.

9) Michael Cohen's legal fees lawsuit is still in progress, and has revealed a slush fund used by Trump himself.

10) Congressional investigations? I won't be able to count them all - LOL.

The Mueller report is only making Trump look like the corrupt person he is. The other legal actions are going to be much worse for him. Mitt Romney 2020!!
 
American said:
You hate her because she regularly makes mince meat out of the assholes in the Press Corp, especially your hero Acosta.
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Lol. What? How does standing at a lectern and ceaselessly lying make mincemeat out of anything except her own credibility?
 
Mr Person said:
Then you're less cynical than I am, since I don't think there was ever a chance of anything different happening, and have said as much throughout this whole thing.

- DOJ policy meant Mueller would not recommend indicting Trump (indeed, he seems to have gone farther and avoided making any explicit determination of whether Trump himself committed a crime)

- Even if the House could get enough votes to impeach, the GOP in the senate would never allow conviction.

- There are a ton of other state/federal investigations, and Trump very well may not skip out on those. He's probably praying for the combination of re-election and statutes of limitation (5 years for most federal crimes, at least) save him. But that's for later, after the damage is done.

- As to those, I guarantee you that no amount of later criminal convictions will make Trump supporters repent of their behavior in the last few years. They will claim Trump was framed, that the juries and judges were biased, etc., and treat him like a martyr if he's later convicted.



I really do think politics is broken. The only real hope I have is that a generation of kids grow up watching their parents behave in an insanely partisan fashion, and maybe a few decades from now we get back to sanity as they push back.
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I cannot believe how much time and effort the left has in hating the President of the United States. I am truly worried about their well being and health as many may not survive another 6 years. So much invested in demonizing Trump and so little evidence supporting the claims. How has Russia benefited from that so called Collusion and Obstruction implied against Trump? Where is the ROI to Russia?
 
trixare4kids said:
Sad, that some pretend they know more than the Department of Justice...
Whatever happened to their pious rants when some came right out and accused us of undermining the rule of law when we questioned the need for the Mueller investigation? :lol:

Nothing worse than a self-righteous hypocrite.
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I remember the Department of Justice saying that Trump's wires were not tapped by Obama, as was his claim (lie). So that is obviously true, since they know more than we do, right?
 
smallvoice said:
Nothing funny about you libs reading into the report. But keep at it, it's becoming almost as humorous as MSNBC whining about Hillary's loss.
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Great, old white men still babbling about Hillary.....Pathetic
 
dobieg said:
Perhaps if we were smarter, we'd elect a community organizer.
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:spew: There goes my third cup of coffee. (didn't need it anyway)... Reading this thread is enough of an upper to last me all day. :lol:
 
ashurbanipal said:
Yeah, obvious attempts at spin (as demonstrated in this thread aside), a lot of this looks pretty bad for the President and his circle. It looks like another hair's breadth of evidence would have resulted in an indictment...I've only read parts of the report, and won't have time to look at the whole thing (as redacted) for a while. But what I have seen so far doesn't look good.
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Trump was saved by virtue of his office, in conjunction with Mueller being a DOJ employee bound by DOJ non-prosecution guidelines.

If Mueller would have been an indie-council like Ken Starr, Trump would be before the Senate first thing in the morning.
 
ettoremathedi said:
How can anyone read this and say he's clean? So basically the POTUS tried to obstruct justice multiple times and just because someone stopped him impeachment is out of the question? what happened to criminal intent?
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No one in their right mind thinks Trump is clean. I think outside of the hardcore Trumpeteer Cultists, even those defending him know he's not clean. But they will talk about what can be demonstrated and proven. Trump tried to obstruct, but the Deep State saved him so...no obstruction.

I don't know if there are other charges that could be related, but in the end I don't think we should sit around hoping for indictment/impeachment of Trump. I don't think it's going to happen. If you want him gone, you'll have to vote him out in 2020.
 
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