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Trump vetoes congressional resolution to end U.S. involvement in Yemen war

Perotista said:
Trump never would have been president if the Democrats had nominated a decent candidate or taken the warning given to them in a February 2016 poll which showed 56% of all Americans wanted to them to nominated someone other than Hillary Clinton. Trump is an example of what happens when a political party ignores America as a whole and just goes with or does just what one's party base wants them to.

Hillary made the Democratic base very happy when they nominated her. So don't let Trump's presidency get you down. You didn't listen to America or even think about making all of American happy or even paid attention to all of America's wishes. You got what you deserve. A Trump presidency. Next time perhaps the Democrats will take all of America into consideration, maybe next time the Democrats will show they learned from 2016 that candidates matter.

Somehow, I'm not all that hopeful.
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Or maybe Republicans shouldn't have nominated a lunatic con man to be their candidate? Republicans love Trump so don't try and pretend this isn't what the strong majority of your people wanted.

If you're looking for someone else to blame, blame corporations and their media. They're the ones that backed Clinton and the DNC against Bernie and barely squeaked out a rigged primary. Clinton is still light years better than Trump anywho.
 
Verax said:
Or maybe Republicans shouldn't have nominated a lunatic con man to be their candidate? Republicans love Trump so don't try and pretend this isn't what the strong majority of your people wanted.

If you're looking for someone else to blame, blame corporations and their media. They're the ones that backed Clinton and the DNC against Bernie and barely squeaked out a rigged primary. Clinton is still light years better than Trump anywho.
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My people? I voted against both. I detested Trump as much as Clinton or vice versa. How could anyone or any party nominate someone who was seen favorably, positive by America as a whole by 36% and 38%? How could a party, any party nominate candidates which were seen in a negative light by 58% and 60% of all Americans.

Both parties told America as a whole to stick it where the sun don't shine. So you're correct, the GOP is as much at fault as the democrats. I blame both. Both are directly responsible due to their actions, choices, decisions made in 2020. No doubt about that. I haven't forgave either major party and probably won't for the rest of my life giving us such bum choices. Two candidates clearly unwanted by a majority of Americans to become the our next president. Both parties spit on America as a whole. The GOP is poised to do so once more in 2020, will the Democrats follow suit once again as they did in 2016? That remains to be seen.

2016 was an election where both major party candidates set a record for the lowest favorable/positive view by America. Only once in history as a major party nominate someone else with an overall favorable view of below 50% prior to 2016 when both major did so. Only three candidate in our history or since Gallup and Pew Research began keeping track of these has a candidate for the presidency had higher unfavorables than favorables. 2016 accounted for two of the three. They just happened to be pitted against each other. Here's the list.

Highest to lowest favorable/unfavorable ratings of each major party presidential candidate.
Favorable/unfavorable
1956 Eisenhower 84/12%
1964 LBJ 81/13%
1976 Carter 81/16%
1960 JFK 80/14%
1960 Nixon 79/16%
1968 Nixon 79/22%
1976 Ford 79/20%
1972 Nixon 76/21%
1968 Humphrey 72/28%
1984 Reagan 71/30%
1980 Carter 68/32%
1984 Mondale 66/34%
1980 Reagan 64/31%
1992 Bill Clinton 64/33%
2008 Obama 62/35%
2012 Obama 62/37%
1956 Stevenson 61/31%
2004 G.W. Bush 61/39%
2008 McCain 60/35%
1992 G.H.W. Bush 59/40%
2000 G.W. Bush 58/38%
2004 Kerry 57/40%
1996 Bill Clinton 56/42%
1988 G.H.W. Bush 56/39%
2000 Gore 55/45%
2012 Romney 55/43%
1972 McGovern 55/41%
1996 Dole 54/45%
1988 Dukakis 50/45%
1964 Goldwater 43/47%
2016 Hillary Clinton 38/58%
2016 Donald Trump 36/60%
 
American said:
Your president bowed low before them as soon as he got into office.
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And your POTUS kisses Saudi ass. And Russian ass.

Remember when conservatives said Obama being polite and bowing was a sign of weakness? Now Trump kisses their asses, and conservatives are all good with it. Crazy times.
 
I don't believe this was based on Trump's personal values. Any POTUS would make this decision because there are powers greater than our government controlling Mid-East interests, especially where the Saudis are concerned.
 
JustHanging said:
And your POTUS kisses Saudi ass. And Russian ass.

Remember when conservatives said Obama being polite and bowing was a sign of weakness? Now Trump kisses their asses, and conservatives are all good with it. Crazy times.
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Well conservatives generally have accepted the reality of dealing with the Saudis, but I thought the libs were going to end all the wars over there. But they didn't. The closest thing has been Trump talking about pulling out of Syria, followed by liberals losing their ****.
 
Hicup said:
So, learning from the mistakes of Obama is bad policy? As a note, US military presence there is light, mostly support roles, but still key in keeping the likes of Al Qaeda and ISIS from propping back up. Not to mention Iranian meddling in all of it. If you recall Obama ordered a full retreat and left all of our military treasures... Obama was the worst military president in US history, and it ain't even close. I don't like how cozy we are with the Saudi's anymore than anyone else, but the relationship makes sense militarily, and strategically.


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How quickly we forget Bush's war and his phony justification for it. How more quickly we forget that Obama pulled out of Iraq based on Bush's negotiation of it.
 
Winston said:
Tragic decision on Trump's behalf. But, not surprising, complete disregard for humanity in pursuit of profit is the Trump mantra.
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Yes, a tragic and immoral decision. He serves at the pleasure of the military industrial complex, the people who ACTUALLY run the government.
 
Anthony60 said:
It is in our interests to keep terrorists and State sponsors of terror from growing and controlling Yemen.
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Saudi Arabia IS THE STATE that sponsors the most terrorism world wide.
 
Obscurity said:
Saudi Arabia IS THE STATE that sponsors the most terrorism world wide.
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I don't know if that is even true, but you didn't even try and make a point. Iran is trying to control Yemen. Iran is openly an enemy of ours and our allies in the region. They sponsor terrorist actions against us and supply material to kill U.S. soldiers, especially when we were in Iraq. Now, we may not like the Saudis all that much, but there is no comparison between them and Iran as to threats to this country.
 
Anthony60 said:
I don't know if that is even true, but you didn't even try and make a point. Iran is trying to control Yemen. Iran is openly an enemy of ours and our allies in the region. They sponsor terrorist actions against us and supply material to kill U.S. soldiers, especially when we were in Iraq. Now, we may not like the Saudis all that much, but there is no comparison between them and Iran as to threats to this country.
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Iran is an enemy of our own making, because US Foreign policy killed a democratically elected Iranian President and installed a dictator, thanks to Iran nationalizing their oil industry.

We should not be involved in any of this when our own country is such a wreck.
 
American said:
Your president bowed low before them as soon as he got into office.
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Didn't know you gave up your US citizenship. When did that happen?

But to your point, Obama did make a mistake. He should have been shaking his booty with his GI Joe sword in his hand with them instead. Those optics, they were just so much better.
 
Obscurity said:
Iran is an enemy of our own making, because US Foreign policy killed a democratically elected Iranian President and installed a dictator, thanks to Iran nationalizing their oil industry.

We should not be involved in any of this when our own country is such a wreck.
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Oh, poor Iran, just an innocent little country, it’s all our fault that they are so evil. Nice of you to take our enemy’s side against us and make excuses for their terrorism.


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Anthony60 said:
Oh, poor Iran, just an innocent little country, it’s all our fault that they are so evil. Nice of you to take our enemy’s side against us and make excuses for their terrorism.


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Who said anything about taking sides with terrorists? I said we shouldn't inject ourselves into a nation with no real benefit to the american people for doing so.

Are you daft or just wilfully so partisan you can't think critically?
 
apdst said:
You just proved my point.
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On the contrary.

What I've provided is evidence that it was more Republicans than Democrats who nearly blew a gasket when Trump spoke of withdrawing from Syria. That's not to say there wasn't some opposition from Democrats as well, but the overwhelming percentage of detractors where Republicans.
 
Anthony60 said:
Oh, poor Iran, just an innocent little country, it’s all our fault that they are so evil.
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Well duh. What do you expect to happen when you remove a democratic government, and put in a dictator?

WTF is America's excuse?

Nice of you to take our enemy’s side against us and make excuses for their terrorism.
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But you support Trump, who stood on stage in Helsinki, united with Putin against the entire American Intelligence community.

Yeah...you really care a lot about someone siding with the enemy. It's obviously very important to you. :lamo
 
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Obscurity said:
Who said anything about taking sides with terrorists? I said we shouldn't inject ourselves into a nation with no real benefit to the american people for doing so.

Are you daft or just wilfully so partisan you can't think critically?
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He supports Trump, the POTUS who stood on stage with Putin against the entire American Intelligence community....but you're the one he attacks for "taking our enemies side".

I think he has answered your question better than anyone else could.
 
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