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apdst said:
If I am forced to use the government controlled system, I am losing my liberty.
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No. You're gaining liberty. You don't have to worry about your insurer being a dickbag, dropping coverage, denying claims, etc.

You don't have to worry about dying from the ****ing flu because you can't afford a doctor visit.

Right now you're losing liberty and you don't even realize it.
 
apdst said:
Do you think any members of the Venezualan government are doing without?
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Since Venezuela has nothing to do with Bernie or Democratic Socialism, it must be your typical deflection when your comments were proven to be lies.
 
Obscurity said:
No. You're gaining liberty. You don't have to worry about your insurer being a dickbag, dropping coverage, denying claims, etc.

You don't have to worry about dying from the ****ing flu because you can't afford a doctor visit.

Right now you're losing liberty and you don't even realize it.
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Right. I have to worry about the government doing it. We've seen how piss-poorly the government polices itself.

What are we supposed to do then? Shop around? :lamo
 
Renae said:
Didnt' say it would. Just shows Bernie isn't willing to live by his own standard.
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Sure he is wiling to. That is why he is wanting to change tax laws. Your typical idiotic deflection fails as usual. :lamo
 
Praxas said:
Since Venezuela has nothing to do with Bernie or Democratic Socialism, it must be your typical deflection when your comments were proven to be lies.
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Do you think the Politburo did without food during the famins in The Soviet Union?

What the government in North Korea? You can tell Kim's ass never misses a meal. :lamo
 
apdst said:
Do you think the Politburo did without food during the famins in The Soviet Union?

What the government in North Korea? You can tell Kim's ass never misses a meal. :lamo
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More deflection from you when your comments were proven to be lies. :lamo
 
Skeptic Bob said:
Bernie Sanders releases 10 years of tax returns, showing how his 2016 presidential run vaulted him into wealth - CNNPolitics

I know we had some people here calling him a hypocrite for demanding Trump's returns when he hadn't released his, except for a small portion. I assume this will satisfy all of them.
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I don't recall people going on about him being a hypocrite for not releasing his tax returns. It's more about him being a hypocrite for being rich and not paying his fair share while saying the rich needs to pay their fair share.
 
Fishking said:
I don't recall people going on about him being a hypocrite for not releasing his tax returns. It's more about him being a hypocrite for being rich and not paying his fair share while saying the rich needs to pay their fair share.
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If you look at his tax returns, he payed hundreds of thousands of dollars in taxes. How about Trump?
 
Acadia said:
We'll all live longer if we refuse to socialize our healthcare system. And please, you don't know me, so perhaps you think you can pee on my leg and tell me it's raining.
Bernie is a socialist.
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You have no basis for your claim. Pure BS.
 
apdst said:
I meant "aren't", but a thorough reading of my post would have helped you figure that out. Don't trying to take advantage of a typo. That's chicken****.
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You are the one who does not understand how Medicare works. 'Government hospitals' is ultra-right wing BS. No such thing except for the VA & I'm not a veteran. They have a hard enough time taking care of those who served in the military.
 
JacksinPA said:
You are the one who does not understand how Medicare works. 'Government hospitals' is ultra-right wing BS. No such thing except for the VA & I'm not a veteran. They have a hard enough time taking care of those who served in the military.
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Which is why I'm oppised to government run healthcare. Look how they ****ed up the VA.
 
apdst said:
Fact!
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So instead of paying higher taxes to pay for Medicare for All, you would prefer to pay huge premiums to private health insurers for the same coverage while others do without?

The CEO of United Health Care takes home over a hundred million $$$ per year. Sounds imbalanced to me. Its welfare for the rich supported by the middle class.
 
Kamala Harris has also released her tax returns.

And Donald Trump? Hello? Hiding things?
 
JacksinPA said:
What hypocrisy? He wrote a book & made a lot of money. You should admire him.
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Jacks, he wants to tax people that make that kind of money at over 50%, When asked if he would pay that much in taxes, now, on his own he BALKED.

So there you go.
 
Praxas said:
Sure he is wiling to. That is why he is wanting to change tax laws. Your typical idiotic deflection fails as usual. :lamo
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I provided a link where he refused to do just that. No deflection, you're incapable of admitting what's right in front of you.
 
Skeptic Bob said:
Bernie Sanders releases 10 years of tax returns, showing how his 2016 presidential run vaulted him into wealth - CNNPolitics

I know we had some people here calling him a hypocrite for demanding Trump's returns when he hadn't released his, except for a small portion. I assume this will satisfy all of them.
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Good for him. As long as he did it voluntarily, that's fine. Without a sound legal reason forcing anyone to divulge their private financial affairs is repugnant to our nation's values.
 
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More applicable to the airplane smear.

Just ignore these clueless conservatives and let them howl about hypocrisy to themselves. Who cares. We got the policy platform America agrees with and when Bernie gets on the debate stage with Trump, Trump is going to get folded with the quickness.


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Renae said:
I provided a link where he refused to do just that. No deflection, you're incapable of admitting what's right in front of you.
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Really where was the tax law changed and he refused to do it? Typical renae, spouting off lies again.
 
JacksinPA said:
If you look at his tax returns, he payed hundreds of thousands of dollars in taxes. How about Trump?
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I don't know. All I know is that he paid a lower % than many who made less and also paid much lower than the amount that he considers a fair share.
 
Skeptic Bob said:
Bernie Sanders releases 10 years of tax returns, showing how his 2016 presidential run vaulted him into wealth - CNNPolitics

I know we had some people here calling him a hypocrite for demanding Trump's returns when he hadn't released his, except for a small portion. I assume this will satisfy all of them.
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The difference between Sanders and Trump is that Sanders has been a public employee for the last 10 years and therefore no doubt has relatively simple tax returns that involve nobody but his family and who he has donated to. He doesn't expose other people to intense scrutiny by the papparazi, media, other candidates, various groups intent on making mischief etc. when he releases his tax returns.

President Trump pays taxes on income from a vast conglomerate of myriad businesses and investments, all involving private citizens and their businesses and who do not deserve to have their names publicized, speculated about, dragged through the mud, become subjects of conspiracy theories, etc. etc.

If we do not allow people a reasonable degree of privacy and confidentiality about such things, it will be that nobody will be able to run for office other than professional politicians.
 
JacksinPA said:
So instead of paying higher taxes to pay for Medicare for All, you would prefer to pay huge premiums to private health insurers for the same coverage while others do without?

The CEO of United Health Care takes home over a hundred million $$$ per year. Sounds imbalanced to me. Its welfare for the rich supported by the middle class.
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I would rather the government stay out of it and stop making the premiums skyrocket.

It's plumb stupid to believe you can increase the demand without increasing the supply and prices will decrease. Only the stupidist mother****ers in the world would believe that.
 
Surrealistik said:
How many times do you need to be reminded that Sanders isn't Walter Mondale or Dukakis? That he hasn't committed to the same unforced, non-policy related errors and blunders that demolished them? That he's backed by and champions policy that consistently polls extremely well in aggregate? That this isn't the 1980s and the zeitgeist and political context are completely different? That if we insist on referencing historical precedent anyways, FDR had won having championed likewise popular ideas then considered 'hardcore liberalism' and became one of the greatest, most beloved and successful presidents ever?
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1. FDR was the most talented politician quite possibly in American history. He was elected at a time when the country was on the verge of collapse. There were literally food riots. Thus with his political talent, coupled with the crisis of the Great Depression, it was one of those unique times in the history of this country when radical ideas were called for and widely supported.

2. A poll of any candidate right now against Trump is utterly meaningless. A July 26, 1988 poll had Dukakis beating Bush Sr by 17 points. Earlier polls had Dukakis as much as 30 points ahead of Bush Sr. Yet by the time the general election came, Dukakis lost by a landslide.

Why is that? It's because big liberal ideas poll well until Republicans start to scare people with the details. For example, a majority of Americans supported Medicare for All initially. However, most people are so poorly informed that they don't understand that Medicare for all means no more employer provided insurance, when they are asked if they support Medicare for all if it means they lose their employer provided insurance, a majority oppose Medicare for all. Look at the polling:

The poll found that Americans initially support “Medicare-for-all,” 56 percent to 42 percent.

However, those numbers shifted dramatically when people were asked about the potential impact, pro and con.

Support increased when people were told “Medicare-for-all” would guarantee health insurance as a right (71 percent) and eliminate premiums and reduce out-of-pocket costs (67 percent).

But if they were told that a government-run system could lead to delays in getting care or higher taxes, support plunged to 26 percent and 37 percent, respectively. Support fell to 32 percent if it would threaten the current Medicare program.
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Now, you might argue that Medicare for all would not mean delays in getting care or threaten the current Medicare program. Sure, I would agree with you, but it doesn't matter because there will be tens of millions of dollars spent on ads telling people that is what it will do. Every Republican in the country will be telling people that is what will happen.

And what will the result be? Another 4 years of despicable Trump.
 
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