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apdst said:
It ain't the same one we have access to...lol

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That has nothing to do with socialism as ALL Republicans in congress are on that. So are all Republicans in congress socialists to you now? :lamo

All anti-gun mother****ers want an all out ban

NRA-ILA | Kamala Harris Calls for Gun Ban, Reveals Logical Weakness of Anti-gun Position
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Sorry that you got called out on your lies, but your opinion is just that...an opinion. The fact is that Kamala Harris has not called for a ban on ALL guns. Deal with that.
 
Obscurity said:
Wrong. People still died en masse thanks to pre-existing conditions.

The republicasn party is a filthy batch of inhumane demagogues.
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Socialists are murdering pieces of ****. Socialism is resp9nsible for more murders than anything else in human history.
 
Praxas said:
That has nothing to do with socialism as ALL Republicans in congress are on that. So are all Republicans in congress socialists to you now? :lamo



Sorry that you got called out on your lies, but your opinion is just that...an opinion. The fact is that Kamala Harris has not called for a ban on ALL guns. Deal with that.
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You asked what system he's using, now. It isn't the same one the government forced you to use.

I bet Sanders got to keep his plan. :lamo
 
Obscurity said:
Got anymore platitudes and nonsense? You literally do not understand his policies. His policies are paid for; nothing is free.

Idiot box arguments dismissed as nothing but vapid hot air.
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Who is paying for his policies? Who's gonna foot that $18 trillion bill? Oh right, you dont care as long as you get your benefits.

You also conveniently ignored your wrongness on the slave reparations, because Bernie wants that too, so all you got left is ad homs.
 
apdst said:
You asked what system he's using, now. It isn't the same one the government forced you to use.
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you were talking about socialism and Bernie is using the same system as other Republicans in congress. So how is that Bernie's stance alone then?

I bet Sanders got to keep his plan. :lamo
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I kept my plan, you must have had a ****ty plan if you didn't keep yours.
 
apdst said:
Socialists are murdering pieces of ****. Socialism is resp9nsible for more murders than anything else in human history.
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Yada yada yada. More hollow talking points. You don't even know what socialism is.
 
Praxas said:
you were talking about socialism and Bernie is using the same system as other Republicans in congress. So how is that Bernie's stance alone then?



I kept my plan, you must have had a ****ty plan if you didn't keep yours.
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Do you think any members of the Venezualan government are doing without?
 
PoS said:
Who is paying for his policies? Who's gonna foot that $18 trillion bill? Oh right, you dont care as long as you get your benefits.

You also conveniently ignored your wrongness on the slave reparations, because Bernie wants that too, so all you got left is ad homs.
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Wrong. Sanders is on record stating what he thinks of reparations. He doesn't mean paychecks. He means enhanced opportunity through equality of access, primarily to education.

Who will foot the bill? Are you daft or just willfully ignorant?
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
1972, George McGovern carried just one state, 17 electoral votes.

1984, Walter Mondale won just 13 electoral votes.

1988, Michael Dukakis won just 111 electoral votes.

How many times do the Democrats have to go down the road of hardcore liberalism in a presidential election to see that it simply doesn't win in this country?
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How many times do you need to be reminded that Sanders isn't Walter Mondale or Dukakis? That he hasn't committed to the same unforced, non-policy related errors and blunders that demolished them? That he's backed by and champions policy that consistently polls extremely well in aggregate? That this isn't the 1980s and the zeitgeist and political context are completely different? That if we insist on referencing historical precedent anyways, FDR had won having championed likewise popular ideas then considered 'hardcore liberalism' and became one of the greatest, most beloved and successful presidents ever?

Anthony60 said:
Are you kidding? I heard no discussion at all in the CNN/MSNBC realm that Clinton was in real trouble because she was going to lose the election. What i do remember is them having people on, smug and sure, that it would be an EC landslide. You should check a website called YouTube, that have videos of that stuff.
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jimbo said:
Then the polls were wrong. EC majority gets you a new address on Penn Ave. Popular vote and 5 bucks gets you a cup of coffee at a San Francisco Starbucks.

The only poll that matters happens in November every 4 years. Even then some don't believe it. I doubt you'll believe that one either.
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Aberration said:
Our final map has Clinton winning with 352 electoral votes. Compare your picks with ours. - Los Angeles Times
Clinton heavily favored to win Electoral College: poll - Reuters
Hillary Clinton Leads Donald Trump in ABC News''' Electoral Ratings Before Tough Battleground Contests - ABC News
Survey finds Hillary Clinton has ‘more than 99% chance’ of winning election over Donald Trump | The Independent
HuffPost Forecasts Hillary Clinton Will Win With 323 Electoral Votes | HuffPost
https://elections.huffingtonpost.com/2016/forecast/president
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Again, the polls then (November) effectively stated that Clinton had an margin of lead in the popular vote (which she did).

What I see in these links is largely confirmation bias at work, blindly and foolishly extrapolating a slight lead in that popular vote as electoral votes, alongside the obvious sin of assuming that longstanding trends (i.e. the 'Blue Wall' Rustbelt) would remain in place. It's the same manufacture of consent bull**** reporting that even now refuses to acknowledge Bernie Sanders as the frontrunner he presently is. In the end, this is derision better reserved for the commentator, not the data; the data as of November by and large said it would be close, and it was; again Clinton won the popular vote she was supposed to, but that's not how the US electoral system works for the selection of the POTUS.

Further, my request was for data/evidence that Trump would crush Bernie as per PoS; not merely beat him, crush. I've thus far been given essentially baseless opinion, and said opinion is definitely worth a hell of a lot less than aggregate polling in the ultimate scope of things. Personally I don't invest much faith in polling this far out anyways, but there isn't one scrap of one iota of actual evidence I've seen, polling or otherwise, that supports such a conclusion.
 
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Obscurity said:
Yada yada yada. More hollow talking points. You don't even know what socialism is.
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Socialism is when the government forces me to give up my money and liberty to the government.
 
Rexedgar said:
Sorry, but I ‘m thinking you meant wealth.





largesse is more like charity/giving/etc
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Okay, windfall. Better word? A couple of million dollars is nowhere near what could logically be considered wealth, not in this inflated economy.
 
PoS said:
Ive already showed the links on post #88 as to why its going to cost more than you expect or possibly know. You would have seen this if you had bothered to read everything first before butting in, comrade.
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I've seen those reports before, but thanks for the links. Completely beside my point, though. You asked how Bernie planned to pay for what look like pie-in-the-sky policies, so I gave you some explanatory links.

No good deed ever goes unpunished.

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apdst said:
Medicare isnxt "socialized medicine". It's a healtcare savings plan with mandated participation. You're still using privately owned and operated hospitals and doctor's offices.
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Yes, it most certainly is socialized medicine! You really do need to study your isms. It's a government-run collective that sets rules on costs. Doctors and hospitals who accept Medicare patients all agree to these rules and charge only those fees allowed by the government. And as I said, I've yet to have any doctor turn me away because I'm on Medicare.
 
Surrealistik said:
Gotta love how CNN immediately tries to imply that the money from his book sales makes him a hypocrite and someone who's lost his credibility as a populist and with the working class as a consequence; I laughed.
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Anyone with the ability to write & have published a best selling book should be looked on with praise rather than derision. My hat's off to Bernie. Of course, the Trumpers will call him a hypocrite. Shows you how base they are.
 
apdst said:
Socialism is when the government forces me to give up my money and liberty to the government.
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Nonsense. That is taxation. And no one is denying you liberty, stop spewing rabid nonsense. It must be hard to be you. Paranoid of every sound.

Black helicopters everywhere!
 
Bernie says we’ll raise taxes to pay for free health care, and that it will be cheaper, well, if ya want my vote you gotta show me some numbers, cause the American people are taxed out and have no more to give. Don’t just sell me on Utopia, tell me how yuou’re gonna pay for it...feel free to pull a Ross Perot and bring in an easel.
 
Obscurity said:
Nonsense. That is taxation. And no one is denying you liberty, stop spewing rabid nonsense. It must be hard to be you. Paranoid of every sound.

Black helicopters everywhere!
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If I am forced to use the government controlled system, I am losing my liberty.
 
Praxas said:
Yeah right, because Bernie voluntarily paying more will somehow get all the other conservative wealthy to pay more voluntarily. :roll:

Again, you can play these stupid games all you want, no one intelligent believes what you say. The simple fact is if the tax laws were changed and Bernie had to pay more he would.
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Didnt' say it would. Just shows Bernie isn't willing to live by his own standard.
 
JacksinPA said:
Anyone with the ability to write & have published a best selling book should be looked on with praise rather than derision. My hat's off to Bernie. Of course, the Trumpers will call him a hypocrite. Shows you how base they are.
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No one is decrying his success, just his hypocrisy.
 
Idiometer said:
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Yes, it most certainly is socialized medicine! You really do need to study your isms. It's a government-run collective that sets rules on costs. Doctors and hospitals who accept Medicare patients all agree to these rules and charge only those fees allowed by the government. And as I said, I've yet to have any doctor turn me away because I'm on Medicare.
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No, it isn't. You are forced by the government to use government hospitals. Unless you've used the VA you've never been to a government hospital in yoyr life. Medicare isn't "medicine".
 
apdst said:
No, it isn't. You are forced by the government to use government hospitals. Unless you've used the VA you've never been to a government hospital in yoyr life. Medicare isn't "medicine".
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I've been on Medicare for years & I've never been forced to visit a Government hospital. Only the best local hospitals & the best doctors of my choosing. You don't know what you are talking about. Medicare is wonderful & I'm the first one to criticize things that aren't up to scale.

A recent example I fell & cut my forehead, knocking myself out. The EMTs took me to a Level 1 trauma center in metro Phila, not a Government hospital. The ambulance ride alone was over $2,000 & Medicare + my supplemental health insurance picked it all up.

Some years ago I fell & shattered by left thigh bone. Spent 3 1/2 weeks in a 1st class local rehab center just to learn to walk again - with a walker. Didn't cost me a dime, including the emergency surgery to replace that bone with a steel rod.

Go do your homework before you keep spouting malicious & false crap.
 
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Good for him. Bern worked the system to become what hes railed against for years..
 
JacksinPA said:
I've been on Medicare for years & I've never been forced to visit a Government hospital. Only the best local hospitals & the best doctors of my choosing. You don't know what you are talking about.
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I meant "aren't", but a thorough reading of my post would have helped you figure that out. Don't trying to take advantage of a typo. That's chicken****.
 
Renae said:
No one is decrying his success, just his hypocrisy.
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What hypocrisy? He wrote a book & made a lot of money. You should admire him.
 
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