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[W:115:437]Notre-Dame cathedral on fire in Paris

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Jack Hays said:
Not my place to say whether it's good idea in any particular situation, but there is some expertise and equipment that have been developed.

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Careful.... You are getting too arrogant for the Euro dude.
 
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Peter King said:
Nope :2no4:

The entire wooden interior of Notre Dame Cathedral has been lost

A "forest" of wooden latticework inside Notre Dame Cathedral fueled the fire that consumed the iconic church.
The medieval roof structure "has been lost," according to Monsignor Patrick Chauvet, the rector of the cathedral.
The cathedral's wooden frame, which primarily consisted of oak, contains beams that date as far back as the first frame built for the cathedral. That frame featured trees cut down between 1160 and 1170, forming one of the oldest parts of the structure.

Most of the current frame dates from the year 1220, according to the church's website. The modern frame is the second frame, and reflects adjustments made early in the cathedral's construction process.
The prevailing Gothic style called for high vaulted ceilings. To accommodate this, the cathedral's plans required tall, sturdy oaks from a nearby forest.

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On this website you can see pictures of the wooden roof structure. It was said at every news report in the Netherlands, the wooden frame/wooden interior/wooden building/wooden structure, so I was pretty sure when I said the fragile structure it was because of the wood and it not doing so well when tons of water are dropped on it.
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I find it hard to believe they didn’t have a better sprinkler system in the wooden structure.
 
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$1000 said:
Knowing the Vatican, I'm afraid that they will incorporate the remaining structures into some hybrid modernist monstrosity which brings to mind the Esoteric Order of Dagon more than it does Christ's Church.
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The Vatican does not own Notre Dame Cathedral, so they have no say.
 
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Acadia said:
A centuries-old world treasure stood the test of time against the likes of Nazi Germany. How it suddenly got set ablaze shouldn't be left to assumptions.
Not that France will be forthcoming should they find evidence of arson.
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Nonsense, they would love to report it arson, then there would be someone to blame. Now it is just a senseless tragedy.
 
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noonereal said:
No reason to rebuild. All things have a season then die.

Remember it fondly and move on.
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There are a lot of reasons to rebuild although I'm certain there's a lot of things that can't be replicated or restored. The type of craftsmanship doesn't exist anymore and the cost would be prohibitive even if there were. But Paris, and in particular the Cathedral of Notre Dame was more than just an iconic Gothic church that's 900 years old. No matter where you live in France, all points of reference are Paris, just like the red needle on your car's speed indicator on your dashboard. All directions were referenced to Paris.

Some things such as the woven crown of thorns that had been placed on the head of Jesus Christ prior to his crucifixion will have been lost and the two crypt remains of Ste. Genevieve and Ste. Denis. Those are irreplaceable of course. There had been a fund established for the renovations being done to the church. The goal was 100 million to restore it. Today a French company donated a 100 million dollar check to go towards the rebuilding cost of the cathedral.

Interesting fact is that where the cathedral was built was once an island in the Seine River and was heavily forested. The trees were cut to form the skeleton of the cathedral. It survived two world wars and after Paris was liberated from German occupation, Charles DeGaulle went to mass at Notre Dame and he wasn't even Catholic.
 
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Phys251 said:
Notre-Dame cathedral on fire in Paris - BBC News

Breaking story. Early speculation is on a renovation project.
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The embers are not yet cold. Let the investigations begin and be prepared for the biggest cover-up by government to ever occur. The French Media has already confirmed there were no construction workers on site at Notre Dame Cathedral at the start of the fire.
 
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Peter King said:
Nonsense, they would love to report it arson, then there would be someone to blame. Now it is just a senseless tragedy.
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Not a chance in hell they will claim it was arson, even if it was. France already is dealing so much with radicals it has had to deploy its military.
 
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trixare4kids said:
The Vatican does not own Notre Dame Cathedral, so they have no say.
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Trix it is more complicated than that.

Due to France’s laws regarding secularization, the French government owns all churches built before 1905, including Notre-Dame. The government lets the Archdiocese of Paris use the building for free, and will continue to do so in perpetuity. The Archdiocese of Paris is responsible for the upkeep of the church, as well as for paying employees.

5 things to know about the Cathedral of Notre Dame in Paris

They don't own it but are responsible for its upkeep. Crazy? Yes.
 
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noonereal said:
From Trump's twitter :



WTF, this guy has nothing better to do than to watch a fire in France?

This guy has no clue what it is to be president. Heck, not even a normal working guy watches TV Monday afternoon.

Maybe his base does, that's about all.
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And if Trump said nothing regarding the Notre Dame fire you'd be complaining about the facts he said nothing regarding the fire.
 
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Doc91478 said:
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The embers are not yet cold. Let the investigations begin and be prepared for the biggest cover-up by government to ever occur. The French Media has already confirmed there were no construction workers on site at Notre Dame Cathedral at the start of the fire.
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My parents' home burned to the ground after a HVAC company left for the day. The fire was due to smoldering insulation ignited by an acetylene torch.
 
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Napoleon said:
Indeed. I doubt there will be any arm twisting. The French won’t let this symbol of national identity perish over the sordid matter of coin.
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I seriously doubt it. France already is drowning in all its socialism. I doubt the French government could find enough support for this. It will more be lip service.
 
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Risky Thicket said:
The fire at Notre Dame is a reminder from whatever your religion, or from the universe or use logic if you wish, that nothing lasts forever. Do and experience what you can and live in the moment - not for the moment - because a time will come when it will all fade away. It is rarely an easy lesson to learn.
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Thank you for this wise observation, Risky.
 
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Doc91478 said:
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And if Trump said nothing regarding the Notre Dame fire you'd be complaining about the facts he said nothing regarding the fire.
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He could have said something... Presidential.

But he’s incompetent at that.

Hillary Clinton on Twitter: "My heart goes out to Paris. Notre Dame is a symbol of our ability as human beings to unite for a higher purpose—to build breathtaking spaces for worship that no one person could have built on their own. I wish France strength and shared purpose as they grieve and rebuild."
 
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joko104 said:
I seriously doubt it. France already is drowning in all its socialism. I doubt the French government could find enough support for this. It will more be lip service.
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How ridiculous.
 
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Doc91478 said:
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The embers are not yet cold. Let the investigations begin and be prepared for the biggest cover-up by government to ever occur. The French Media has already confirmed there were no construction workers on site at Notre Dame Cathedral at the start of the fire.
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Bigger than 9/11? Are we talking controlled demolition, mini nukes, thermite, staged event, holograms...? What's the inside scoop on the coverup.
 
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Doc91478 said:
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The embers are not yet cold. Let the investigations begin and be prepared for the biggest cover-up by government to ever occur. The French Media has already confirmed there were no construction workers on site at Notre Dame Cathedral at the start of the fire.
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All it takes is someone accidentally leaving something on they shouldn't have near something flammable.
 
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joko104 said:
I seriously doubt it. France already is drowning in all its socialism. I doubt the French government could find enough support for this. It will more be lip service.
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Ah, don't borrow trouble. Tragedy sometimes brings out the very best in people, and it's clear just from what's been said on this thread that those who've visited Notre Dame found the experience moving. There is every reason to hope that those who love history and architecture will contribute to whatever restoration is possible.
 
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nota bene said:
Ah, don't borrow trouble. Tragedy sometimes brings out the very best in people, and it's clear just from what's been said on this thread that those who've visited Notre Dame found the experience moving. There is every reason to hope that those who love history and architecture will contribute to whatever restoration is possible.
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There aren't many places one can spend weeks, even years, just looking at art.
 
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Demanding removing Confederate statutes but wanting to rebuild Notre Dame makes absolutely NO sense.

The Catholic Church when Notre Dame was built and the power that cathedral represented was vastly more oppressive to far more people than American slavery was. Not that many slaves were burned at the stake and murdered in torture chambers. As many as 5000 Jews were burned to death at the same time. The number burned at the stake for being a witch or as a heretic is massive. Burning at the stalk became the primary method of execution, a particularly brutal and slow way to kill someone - with this deemed correct by both the Pope and head of France. Otherwise, over 90% of the population had lives no better than slaves.

How can anyone praise Notre Dame and curse Confederate statutes?
 
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joko104 said:
How can anyone praise Notre Dame and curse Confederate statutes?
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Do you own and display a velvet Elvis?
 
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Parrish said:
My parents' home burned to the ground after a HVAC company left for the day. The fire was due to smoldering insulation ignited by an acetylene torch.
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Hey, I'm not making any decisions about how a fire began. It could have been oily rags, spontaneous combustion, any number of factors. Don't forget the wooden structure within Notre Dame are more than 800 years old. The wood is like tinder as we have seen by the extent of the fire and damage.
 
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joko104 said:
Demanding removing Confederate statutes but wanting to rebuild Notre Dame makes absolutely NO sense.

The Catholic Church when Notre Dame was built and the power that cathedral represented was vastly more oppressive to far more people than American slavery was. Not that many slaves were burned at the stake and murdered in torture chambers. As many as 5000 Jews were burned to death at the same time. The number burned at the stake for being a witch or as a heretic is massive. Burning at the stalk became the primary method of execution, a particularly brutal and slow way to kill someone - with this deemed correct by both the Pope and head of France. Otherwise, over 90% of the population had lives no better than slaves.

How can anyone praise Notre Dame and curse Confederate statutes?
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You???
 
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PeteEU said:
And American arrogance matches or even surpasses that of the French again.


So when tall buildings in the US burn... You fly in planes and helicopters to stop the fires?

Your "water dropping" is done on forest fires where there happen to be homes in the area. This is on a freaking city on 800 year old wooden structure that sure as hell kept the walls up in part.. and you want to dump tons of water on it in one go?

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European arrogance above, at its finest.
 
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Parrish said:
How ridiculous.
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No it's not. Cathedrals are being demolished all over Europe.

How much does France NOT care about their beautiful cathedrals?

France is paying for 2,800 Cathedrals & Churches to be Demolished across France

It’s sad to see a beautiful Catholic church building destroyed. The video below shows some demolition moments from a church destruction earlier this year in France. But for how sad the video is, the churches demolition is really just a symptom of many other factors.



France is paying for 2,800 Cathedrals & Churches to be Demolished across France | SatelliteSaint

The video of a beautiful French cathedral being demolished - 1 of nearly 3000 scheduled for demolition.
 
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Doc91478 said:
Hey, I'm not making any decisions about how a fire began. It could have been oily rags, spontaneous combustion, any number of factors. Don't forget the wooden structure within Notre Dame are more than 800 years old. The wood is like tinder as we have seen by the extent of the fire and damage.
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Right. Conspiracy theorists idiotic rants are just plain lunacy.
 
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