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    Re: Housing's hidden crisis: Rural Americans struggle to pay rent

    Quote Originally Posted by AmNat View Post
    I generally agree when it comes to investors. The investment market works best when they can make (or lose) as much money as they can. But sometimes regulation is necessary for the good of the general public.

    I agree in principle with the idea behind the auto bailout (using government investment to prevent mass layoffs), though I don't know enough about the details to form an opinion.
    So in your mind the government can pick and choose who it wants to bail out. In the GM case we the people lost 11.2 billion, how did that benefit the people that paid taxes and lost 11.2 billion?

    As for mass layoffs, you have no idea, GM should have been left to fail and it would have been broken up and the factories would continue as always. GM made thousands of cars a week or more and those cars would still be in demand if GM was gone. Existing auto companies would increase their production which in turn requires more employees. The existing GM plants would be brought up on the cheat and the buyers would not miss a beat in producing cars / Jobs. No one working for GM would be out of work, and if they were it would be for a very short time. And the best part the taxpayer would not be out 11.2 billion.

    I'm more confident saying that funding Solyndra was a bad idea. It created a minimal number of jobs (which would've been the case even if it didn't go bankrupt).
    In the end it did not create anything. Zip Zero. Again we taxpayers lost 535 million on a deal where the government decided to invest in private startup companies.

    Under Obama he closed down all the banks making student loans and let the government take over the loan program.

    Youíve probably heard another scary statistic: Americans owe over $1.56 trillion in student loan debt, spread out among about 45 million borrowers. Thatís about $521 billion more than the total U.S. credit card debt.

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    And now they want to forgive, all this government control is out of control

    U.S. Senators Kirsten Gillibrand (D-NY) and Tim Kaine (D-VA) introduced a new bill Thursday, which would rework the current Public Service Loan Forgiveness program, a federal program that forgives federal student loans for borrowers who work in public service. The goal is to expand the number of people who can qualify for the program and receive student loan forgiveness.

    New Student Loan Forgiveness Bill Could Help Millions

    And if the government wants to subsidize alternative energy research (something I'm ambivalent about to begin with, nuclear is more effective and cleaner), it'd be better to subsidize existing research institutions and companies, rather than start-ups with a high probability of failure.
    I like the nuclear option but there are so many critics at this point, that industry is in a death grip.
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    Re: Housing's hidden crisis: Rural Americans struggle to pay rent

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    My 110 sf bachelor pad had a kitchenette built into one wall.
    It wasn't luxurious. Two burner stove, sink and mini-fridge all in one unit, and a wee bit of counter space, and cupboards above.
    Fine, now go and live in it with a family of four.
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    Re: Housing's hidden crisis: Rural Americans struggle to pay rent

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    The way the Democratic Party is causing terrible affordable housing shortages is by demanding always bringing in more and more millions of poor illegal immigrants who compete for available housing. Throw another 100,000 illegal immigrants into L.A. or any other city and unless there are tens of thousands of available rental units it will push rents upward.
    It's most certainly enlightening to learn that there has never been a single "illegal immigrant" enter the United States of America when the Republicans held power.
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    Re: Housing's hidden crisis: Rural Americans struggle to pay rent

    Quote Originally Posted by Born Free View Post
    So in your mind the government can pick and choose who it wants to bail out. In the GM case we the people lost 11.2 billion, how did that benefit the people that paid taxes and lost 11.2 billion?

    As for mass layoffs, you have no idea, GM should have been left to fail and it would have been broken up and the factories would continue as always. GM made thousands of cars a week or more and those cars would still be in demand if GM was gone. Existing auto companies would increase their production which in turn requires more employees. The existing GM plants would be brought up on the cheat and the buyers would not miss a beat in producing cars / Jobs. No one working for GM would be out of work, and if they were it would be for a very short time. And the best part the taxpayer would not be out 11.2 billion.
    As I said, I don't know enough about the details of the auto bail out to form an opinion. I only said that it could be justified, if the situation was really as the supporters of the bailout said it was.

    In the end it did not create anything. Zip Zero. Again we taxpayers lost 535 million on a deal where the government decided to invest in private startup companies.
    Agreed. Government investing in private startups is a very dumb policy.

    Under Obama he closed down all the banks making student loans and let the government take over the loan program.

    You’ve probably heard another scary statistic: Americans owe over $1.56 trillion in student loan debt, spread out among about 45 million borrowers. That’s about $521 billion more than the total U.S. credit card debt.

    U.S. Student Loan Debt Statistics for 2019 | Student Loan Hero

    And now they want to forgive, all this government control is out of control

    U.S. Senators Kirsten Gillibrand (D-NY) and Tim Kaine (D-VA) introduced a new bill Thursday, which would rework the current Public Service Loan Forgiveness program, a federal program that forgives federal student loans for borrowers who work in public service. The goal is to expand the number of people who can qualify for the program and receive student loan forgiveness.

    New Student Loan Forgiveness Bill Could Help Millions
    The student loan industry is predatory. It should be abolished and the debts written off.

    I like the nuclear option but there are so many critics at this point, that industry is in a death grip.
    Nuclear energy is the clearest example of the insincerity of environmentalists. They should be all for it, but they aren't because the word "nuclear" scares them.

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    Re: Housing's hidden crisis: Rural Americans struggle to pay rent

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    One out of eight Americans live in a trailer.
    That would be 12.5%, wouldn't it?

    That's 2.25 times as many as in June of 2018.

    That's an increase of around 22,125,000 people (to a total of around 39,825,000 people) ALL during Mr. Trump's presidency.

    The mobile home building industry must be absolutely booming.

    Well, either that or you simply don't know what you are talking about - and no one would give that possibility the slightest bit of credence.
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    Re: Housing's hidden crisis: Rural Americans struggle to pay rent

    Quote Originally Posted by TU Curmudgeon View Post
    Fine, now go and live in it with a family of four.
    I am not saying that the accommodations are luxurious, and if there are two working parents then one could imagine an apt for maybe 650 a month with 250-400 sf. Again, maybe not the best but more livable than Skid Row, tents or life in a car.
    I lived in one of those sardine can 110 sf apts in the 1970's in Minneapolis. It sure beat literally freezing to death in winter, which is a reality in Minnesota.
    I was working part time as a dishwasher in a greasy spoon and going to school. It was no bigger than a dorm room but I managed pretty well.
    My point is, a dishwasher could never hope to live in an apt today, even full time.
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    Re: Housing's hidden crisis: Rural Americans struggle to pay rent

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    BTW, I do NOT consider the fact that the US is suffering from a "housing crisis" to be anything even remotely like approving the fact that Canada is also having one. That would be classic "Whataboutism" in action, just as it would be if someone were to take the position that it is absolutely horrible that Canada has a "housing crisis" and that means that it's OK if the US has one.

    So, is it your position that


    1. "It is a "bad thing" for the US to have a "housing crisis" REGARDLESS of whether some other country has one."; or
    2. "If no other country was having a "housing crisis" then it would be a "bad thing" for the US to have one, but since other countries are having a "housing crisis" it's just peachy keen for the US to have one too."?
    Yep life is tough....I guess you don't like your BS exposed....it'll be the day when I take a sarcastic, rude Canadians opinion as worth a warm bucket of spit.

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    Re: Housing's hidden crisis: Rural Americans struggle to pay rent

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    The way the Democratic Party is causing terrible affordable housing shortages is by demanding always bringing in more and more millions of poor illegal immigrants who compete for available housing. Throw another 100,000 illegal immigrants into L.A. or any other city and unless there are tens of thousands of available rental units it will push rents upward.
    Definitely part of the problem.

    And virtually no affordable housing is being built in LA, with older units - which have traditionally been a catch-all for people of lesser means - either being renovated for much higher rents, converted to expensive condos, bulldozed or seeing massive rent hikes w/o renovation.

    It's a serious fustercluck.
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    Re: Housing's hidden crisis: Rural Americans struggle to pay rent

    Quote Originally Posted by Checkerboard Strangler View Post
    I am not saying that the accommodations are luxurious, and if there are two working parents then one could imagine an apt for maybe 650 a month with 250-400 sf. Again, maybe not the best but more livable than Skid Row, tents or life in a car.
    I lived in one of those sardine can 110 sf apts in the 1970's in Minneapolis. It sure beat literally freezing to death in winter, which is a reality in Minnesota.
    I was working part time as a dishwasher in a greasy spoon and going to school. It was no bigger than a dorm room but I managed pretty well.
    My point is, a dishwasher could never hope to live in an apt today, even full time.
    In order to afford the "median rent" in the US today, a person has to earn around $8.63 an hour (of course that would mean that 100% of their gross income would have to go for rent, so they probably should make a little bit more than that).
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    Re: Housing's hidden crisis: Rural Americans struggle to pay rent

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Yep life is tough....I guess you don't like your BS exposed....it'll be the day when I take a sarcastic, rude Canadians opinion as worth a warm bucket of spit.

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    Did you know that the "C" in "CBS" does NOT stand for "Canadian"?

    So, once again I ask you


    So, is it your position that

    1. "It is a "bad thing" for the US to have a "housing crisis" REGARDLESS of whether some other country has one."; or
    2. "If no other country was having a "housing crisis" then it would be a "bad thing" for the US to have one, but since other countries are having a "housing crisis" it's just peachy keen for the US to have one too."?

    PS - I don't actually expect that you will actually provide an actual answer to the actual question that was actually asked - but I do feel compelled to give you the opportunity to state your position clearly.
    I was told that the best things for me were to eat healthy foods, walk up hills, stop smoking cigars, and cut out drinking Scotch.
    With my record, I don't deserve the best. What's second best?
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