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Job growth rebounds in March with 196,000 added to US economy

Chomsky said:
You just saw typical Trumpian hyperbolic fake claims, and you'll see the non sequitur response he will give. They're literally creating a fantasy reality, with many believing it themselves. It's very dangerous stuff. The good news is, it's nothing a vote in 2020 can't cure.
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Exactly and the more positive news that offsets and proves how wrong the radical liberals are the more likely of a re-election. You actually think that negative sells in this country? Are the American people better off today than when Trump took office? The results say yes and trump the media and radical spin
 
Chomsky said:
I believe this is a very accurate post, and something I've been espousing for quite awhile.

At least the fed managed to get a few interest rate hikes in there, before Trump shut them down. But we should be paying down our debt, not removing corporate taxes, because when the crap hits the fan the revenue loss and high debt service may crash the social safety nets - when we need them most.
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So the fact that 44% of income earners pay zero FIT isn't an issue for you and you believe that the loss of 100 billion in Corporate tax revenue even though offset by higher state and local tax revenue has caused all the problems we have in this country today? Do you actually believe your argument is credible?

What affect did 7 interest rate hikes since January 2017 have on the interest expense on the debt that Trump inherited? Keep promoting the negatives and keep ignoring the benefits the American people are seeing in the Trump economy
 
Conservative said:
Thank you for the quote and understand your concern, HOWEVER Trade is the lowest component of GDP and national security is the top priority for without national security nothing else matters. Proving what you are talking about through a liberal lens doesn't do much for you nor does your Canadian background and lack of understanding of our private sector economy. There are four components of GDP and what you are focused on is the smallest and what you are ignoring is that illegal immigration is an attack o this country and what Trump is doing on the border is trying to get a return on investment that will lower costs and that improves the economy
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Conservative, stop. You're falling behind here... Let's get you caught back up.

Closing the border isn't simply about exports (one component of GDP) but also Personal Consumption Expenditures. The panic wasn't over the fact that Ford could not ship cars across the border to Mexico. It was that it couldn't get components IN from Mexico in order to continue building cars for their domestic markets. The reality is while it would take 10 days to run out of all the avocados in America, all auto workers would be laid off in a week in the event of a full border crossing, two at most. This is due to "just in time" production - most assembly plants are only keeping a couple of shifts worth of production requirements in house at any given time. If even ONE of those parts isn't available, even if it's the smallest, cheapest bit of a bolt, the entire line stops, and the lay offs start.

And no, you can't just go to Costco and buy different bolts - every single component, from the most complicated computer to the most humble bolt, goes through an extensive approval process, taking weeks, and any deviation or change whatsoever starts the approval process all over again.

What Trump was doing on the border is wildly dangerous, irresponsible, and total proof that this guy doesn't have the first clue about how the world works. If you're a Catholic, now would be the time to start sending prayers to St. Francis (patron saint of drunkards and lost causes, for those wondering).
 
Conservative said:
You truly seem to have a problem with the issue of the claim of a national security crisis on the border ignores reality. There are always going to be people who benefit from illegal immigration and don't want a secure border. Guess if you don't live along the southern border you don't have a vested interest in securing that border or border security in general. The good of the country trumps the good of a few people and your claim that securing the border will hurt our economy is nothing more than liberal projections as the benefits to the American people outweigh the so called benefits of illegal immigration. This is a humanitarian crisis and that makes it a national emergency but to say differently simply promotes radical liberalism and failure to understand reality
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I've been dropping this saying a lot lately: It's better to do nothing than do something stupid.
 
OlNate said:
Conservative, stop. You're falling behind here... Let's get you caught back up.

Closing the border isn't simply about exports (one component of GDP) but also Personal Consumption Expenditures. The panic wasn't over the fact that Ford could not ship cars across the border to Mexico. It was that it couldn't get components IN from Mexico in order to continue building cars for their domestic markets. The reality is while it would take 10 days to run out of all the avocados in America, all auto workers would be laid off in a week in the event of a full border crossing, two at most. This is due to "just in time" production - most assembly plants are only keeping a couple of shifts worth of production requirements in house at any given time. If even ONE of those parts isn't available, even if it's the smallest, cheapest bit of a bolt, the entire line stops, and the lay offs start.

And no, you can't just go to Costco and buy different bolts - every single component, from the most complicated computer to the most humble bolt, goes through an extensive approval process, taking weeks, and any deviation or change whatsoever starts the approval process all over again.

What Trump was doing on the border is wildly dangerous, irresponsible, and total proof that this guy doesn't have the first clue about how the world works. If you're a Catholic, now would be the time to start sending prayers to St. Francis (patron saint of drunkards and lost causes, for those wondering).
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Only intermediate goods would be affected in the shutdown of the U.S. border. GDP doesn't count intermediate goods; only final goods.
 
Tanya said:
Only intermediate goods would be affected in the shutdown of the U.S. border. GDP doesn't count intermediate goods; only final goods.
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And how do you arrive at final goods if you have no components to build them?
 
OlNate said:
No, I know, I'm speaking in the past tense. :)

I can't say as I'm surprised...someone who actually knows about the American economy must have gotten through, which is great news for you and for me. Let's just hope he has someone there to keep him in line every time he gets one of these scorched earth ideas.
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I'm glad, for whatever reason, he changed his mind.
Shows he listens to people who are smarter than he is on such matters.
 
trixare4kids said:
I'm glad, for whatever reason, he changed his mind.
Shows he listens to people who are smarter than he is on such matters.
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Yeah...I mean, it's a start. Maybe next time, though, you'll be lucky enough to find someone who knows that stopping one of your most important shipping lanes out of nowhere, on a dime, is a bad idea without having to be told my someone smarter than him.

(There is literally no way for me to not sound smug and condescending when writing on this subject, so instead of turning myself into a pretzel trying not to, I'm just gonna apologize...you know I love you, Trix, I'm sorry for sounding smug and condescending about your hopelessly lost president)


;)
 
OlNate said:
Conservative, stop. You're falling behind here... Let's get you caught back up.

Closing the border isn't simply about exports (one component of GDP) but also Personal Consumption Expenditures. The panic wasn't over the fact that Ford could not ship cars across the border to Mexico. It was that it couldn't get components IN from Mexico in order to continue building cars for their domestic markets. The reality is while it would take 10 days to run out of all the avocados in America, all auto workers would be laid off in a week in the event of a full border crossing, two at most. This is due to "just in time" production - most assembly plants are only keeping a couple of shifts worth of production requirements in house at any given time. If even ONE of those parts isn't available, even if it's the smallest, cheapest bit of a bolt, the entire line stops, and the lay offs start.

And no, you can't just go to Costco and buy different bolts - every single component, from the most complicated computer to the most humble bolt, goes through an extensive approval process, taking weeks, and any deviation or change whatsoever starts the approval process all over again.

What Trump was doing on the border is wildly dangerous, irresponsible, and total proof that this guy doesn't have the first clue about how the world works. If you're a Catholic, now would be the time to start sending prayers to St. Francis (patron saint of drunkards and lost causes, for those wondering).
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And illegal immigration and the human and economic toll it has created for this country doesn't resonate with you. Closing the border sends the right message except to people who benefit from illegal immigration which obviously says a lot about you.

I am indeed Catholic who probably does more good for the poor than you actually earn in a year but as stated you really have no business meddling in U.S. economic issues because of selfishness and total dislike for Trump

Let me know when the economic results suffer because of Trump's policies because as I have posted and you ignored, the data doesn't support your rhetoric. The American people are better off today than they were 4 years ago at least the law abiding ones
 
OlNate said:
I've been dropping this saying a lot lately: It's better to do nothing than do something stupid.
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Then you better sell that saying to your Progressive/radical friends who are doing a lot of things stupid. Results trump rhetoric all the time but it is rhetoric that resonates with you not economic results

GDP Growth 2013 to 2018
2013 16784.9
2014 17521.7 736.8
2015 18129.3 607.6
2016 18707.2 577.9
2017 19485.4 778.2
2018 20494.1 1008.7

2016 GDP growth 1.6%

Unemployment Rate 4.7%

Employed 152 million January 2017 to 157 million today

U-6 in January 2017 9.3% vs 7.3% today?

Part time for economic reasons, 5.7 million vs. 4.4 million today?

African American unemployment 7.7% vs. 6.7% today?

Stop letting the left make a fool out of you
 
OlNate said:
And how do you arrive at final goods if you have no components to build them?
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There won't be zero components, there will simply be less components. Firms have inventory; nearly 99% of Gross Domestic Output is Domestically produced.
 
Khayembii Communique said:
They weren't kept "artificially" low. They were kept low. There was nothing "artificial" about it.



This is simply untrue.
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They absolutely were kept artificially low. The prime rate was brought down to nothing, and kept there. Our foot was on the gas and the brakes at the same time. It's just been recently that the fed has been able to let off the rate, giving us back breathing room to adjust the rate if we need to.

And yes, massive spending increases under Obama. $600B in 2009, and we never looked back.
 
Conservative said:
And illegal immigration and the human and economic toll it has created for this country doesn't resonate with you. Closing the border sends the right message except to people who benefit from illegal immigration which obviously says a lot about you.

I am indeed Catholic who probably does more good for the poor than you actually earn in a year but as stated you really have no business meddling in U.S. economic issues because of selfishness and total dislike for Trump

Let me know when the economic results suffer because of Trump's policies because as I have posted and you ignored, the data doesn't support your rhetoric. The American people are better off today than they were 4 years ago at least the law abiding ones
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What could illegal border crossing do to benefit me?? FFS, Conservative, if you need a break, take one.

Sorry, if you actually can't understand something as simple and basic as the consequences associated with shutting down a primary shipping lane, you need to stop discussing the economy altogether, as you are no where near equipped to understand it.

Just keep closing your eyes real tight, and believing. I'm sure it'll all work out just fine... :roll:
 
Tanya said:
There won't be zero components, there will simply be less components. Firms have inventory; nearly 99% of Gross Domestic Output is Domestically produced.
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Post your proof, please. And understand you're talking to a logistics analyst in charge of ensuring component supply to two massive top tier automotive assembly plants in the states. Someone who, in one day (Monday), spent six figures on air expedites out of Mexico, in direct response to this gong show, just to keep those two plants running.
 
OlNate said:
What could illegal border crossing do to benefit me?? FFS, Conservative, if you need a break, take one.

Sorry, if you actually can't understand something as simple and basic as the consequences associated with shutting down a primary shipping lane, you need to stop discussing the economy altogether, as you are no where near equipped to understand it.

Just keep closing your eyes real tight, and believing. I'm sure it'll all work out just fine... :roll:
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What you don't seem to understand is that breaking the law affects ALL Americans including Canadians like you. Your country has strict laws on immigration and doesn't have the crisis we have on the border in this country. Why aren't you doing research on illegal immigration, the human and economic costs and yes illegal immigration is hurting legal access to this country as it is overwhelming border agents and immigration officials.
 
Conservative said:
Then you better sell that saying to your Progressive/radical friends who are doing a lot of things stupid. Results trump rhetoric all the time but it is rhetoric that resonates with you not economic results

GDP Growth 2013 to 2018
2013 16784.9
2014 17521.7 736.8
2015 18129.3 607.6
2016 18707.2 577.9
2017 19485.4 778.2
2018 20494.1 1008.7

2016 GDP growth 1.6%

Unemployment Rate 4.7%

Employed 152 million January 2017 to 157 million today

U-6 in January 2017 9.3% vs 7.3% today?

Part time for economic reasons, 5.7 million vs. 4.4 million today?

African American unemployment 7.7% vs. 6.7% today?

Stop letting the left make a fool out of you
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Got any projections on what would happen if Trump shut down the border?

Stop letting Trump make a fool out of you.
 
Conservative said:
What you don't seem to understand is that breaking the law affects ALL Americans including Canadians like you. Your country has strict laws on immigration and doesn't have the crisis we have on the border in this country. Why aren't you doing research on illegal immigration, the human and economic costs and yes illegal immigration is hurting legal access to this country as it is overwhelming border agents and immigration officials.
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I'm not saying your illegal immigration situation isn't serious, or that it doesn't need to be addressed.

Look if I have a cut on my toe, I could end my suffering by hanging myself, no question...it would work. But would you recommend hanging oneself to stop the pain of a cut toe??? Of course not.
 
OlNate said:
Got any projections on what would happen if Trump shut down the border?

Stop letting Trump make a fool out of you.
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I don't speculate like you, I look at actual results. What I do know is that sanctuary cities, illegal immigration has a severe economic and human cost to Americans but as a Canadian you only look at your own selfish interests
 
OlNate said:
I'm not saying your illegal immigration situation isn't serious, or that it doesn't need to be addressed.

Look if I have a cut on my toe, I could end my suffering by hanging myself, no question...it would work. But would you recommend hanging oneself to stop the pain of a cut toe??? Of course not.
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Trump hasn't shutdown the border, has he? Why do you buy rhetoric and ignore results? Do you have any solutions to our border problems that are causing economic and human costs?
 
Conservative said:
I don't speculate like you, I look at actual results. What I do know is that sanctuary cities, illegal immigration has a severe economic and human cost to Americans but as a Canadian you only look at your own selfish interests
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I'm not "speculating", I'm telling you what will happen as an industry expert. I've been doing this for 14 years.

And there is nothing selfish about not wanting my friends to the south to enter into economic chaos because some of you decided you wanted a dumbass for a president.

Basically, you're not going to insult me into agreeing with you, Conservative. I know what I'm talking about, you don't.
 
Conservative said:
Trump hasn't shutdown the border, has he? Why do you buy rhetoric and ignore results? Do you have any solutions to our border problems that are causing economic and human costs?
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One more time, on Monday, in response to Trump's wackadoo initiative, the Laredo TX crossing was reduced to two inbound lanes, resulting in me spending six figures in air expedites out of Mexico into the States.

I'm glad he walked it back, but it should be concerning to you how willing he was to hurt American companies in the first place.
 
OlNate said:
I'm not "speculating", I'm telling you what will happen as an industry expert. I've been doing this for 14 years.

And there is nothing selfish about not wanting my friends to the south to enter into economic chaos because some of you decided you wanted a dumbass for a president.

Basically, you're not going to insult me into agreeing with you, Conservative. I know what I'm talking about, you don't.
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Nor are you going to insult me by your claims of what would happen, pure speculation, if the border is closed. The length of time is more relevant than the initial closing but ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION has to stop!!

"MY" Dumbass President is putting America first as most leaders around the world do but for some reason this doesn't resonate with you as your pure selfish motives surface. You think you know what you are talking about but illegal costs aren't in the equation for you. Open borders have destroyed Europe and if you were closer to the problem you would see how it is destroying communities on our southern border

"My" Dumbass President has generated the best economic and foreign policy results of any President in modern history after two years in office. Americans are better off today than they were 2 years ago and that is non debatable as the results show. You buy rhetoric but you have zero credibility as the results trump your opinions

The results speak for themselves but you have yet to address those results obviously because your motives are pure selfishness as a Canadian
 
OlNate said:
One more time, on Monday, in response to Trump's wackadoo initiative, the Laredo TX crossing was reduced to two inbound lanes, resulting in me spending six figures in air expedites out of Mexico into the States.

I'm glad he walked it back, but it should be concerning to you how willing he was to hurt American companies in the first place.
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Good, maybe that will deter illegals as well. You look short term and I look long term. Solve the illegal problem and legal immigration or transportation won't be a problem. Again you want to ignore the problem because it financially affects you short term with no idea how long it would take Mexico to react as they would be hurt a lot more than this country
 
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