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Waters: Deutsche Bank providing Trump financial records for House probe

Anthony60 said:
The difference is, all those had reason to investigate. Benghazi? Are you kidding? Our embassy was attacked and people killed. No answers from Obama at all, he went to sleep as far as we know. Nah, no reason to take a look at that!
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No, the difference is in those cases it was the GOP engaging in endless investigations of the Clintons, and you were OK with that because it was Democrats on the hot seat. Now you don't like it because it's Trump being subjected to endless investigations, although so far it's been proved beyond any doubt he surrounded himself with an all star cast of liars, con men, money launderers and mobsters, which appears to me good reasons to investigate Trump. Why would he surround himself with criminal thugs if he was himself a law abiding citizen?
 
JasperL said:
No, the difference is in those cases it was the GOP engaging in endless investigations of the Clintons, and you were OK with that because it was Democrats on the hot seat. Now you don't like it because it's Trump being subjected to endless investigations, although so far it's been proved beyond any doubt he surrounded himself with an all star cast of liars, con men, money launderers and mobsters, which appears to me good reasons to investigate Trump. Why would he surround himself with criminal thugs if he was himself a law abiding citizen?
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Clinton lied under oath, as a sitting President.
 
Mycroft said:
Just remember this:

Waters is not interested in presenting anything to the public unless it can be used to damage Trump. Waters will eagerly spin anything into something that can be used to damage Trump.

It's all about 2020.
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She'll need a financial expert on her staff due her innate stupidity.
 
MovingPictures said:
It's called doing to Republicans what Republicans have been doing to Democrats for decades.

Whitewater and Travelgate were all about 1996, Foster and Lewinsky were about 2000, Benghazi and Emailgate were about 2014 and 2016, just to name a few.

It's was a matter of time before the other side used the GOP playbook.
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Except democrats are actually investigating serious allegation, not unfounded nonsense to score political points. There are like 6 separate investigations at the state level into TRump, his organization, and his criminal activities. the man is a criminal. Ones that have actually lead to indictments

Bengazi was the most disgusting politicizing of a tragedy I've ever seen, it was so ridiculous. That's how disgusting republicans are. They have no shame
 
Anthony60 said:
Clinton lied under oath, as a sitting President.
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Exactly. You proved the point perfectly. I'll quote you:

Ah, Stalin would be proud of these tactics. There's no crime, and no indication of a crime, but we're going to investigate your life, until we find something we can use. After all, if you have nothing to hide, then why protest an investigation, right?

Is this the country we want to be? Sure looks like it's what the [Republicans] want. Find the man, they'll find a crime.
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Edit in brackets my own.

In Clinton's case they spent years investigating every part of his life pre and post election and finally nailed him on......lying about oral sex with an intern. Find a man, they'll find a crime indeed!
 
JasperL said:
No, the difference is in those cases it was the GOP engaging in endless investigations of the Clintons, and you were OK with that because it was Democrats on the hot seat. Now you don't like it because it's Trump being subjected to endless investigations, although so far it's been proved beyond any doubt he surrounded himself with an all star cast of liars, con men, money launderers and mobsters, which appears to me good reasons to investigate Trump. Why would he surround himself with criminal thugs if he was himself a law abiding citizen?
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And even worse, democrats are getting results. 27 indictments and counting. The noose tightening in 6 others district on Trump.

Vs nothing over bengazi/email, other than what was intended, smear Hillary to disenfranchise voters
 
danarhea said:
He remembers them. He just wants everybody to forget about them. This is about defending the idol he bows down to, the idol that he worships, and the idol that will send him into hellfire at the end of days.
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Since when do you know what I remember? Stick to your own thoughts, and don't make foolish comments about me. You have showed your ignorance on this.
 
JasperL said:
Exactly. You proved the point perfectly. I'll quote you:



Edit in brackets my own.

In Clinton's case they spent years investigating every part of his life pre and post election and finally nailed him on......lying about oral sex with an intern. Find a man, they'll find a crime indeed!
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First of all, don't "quote" me, and then change the quote.
Secondly, you are severely misguided. Find the man, they'll find the crime? Looks like you have no idea what that means. He lied in court, on video. They really didn't have to look, the crime was right out there for all to see, nothing had to be made up, as in the attacks on Trump.
 
I totally support investigating Trump's illicit financial dealings. Remember, nothing he did prior to taking office is impeachable. It may be illegal, and handed off to another district to prosecute, but it is not impeachable.
 
washunut said:
Not sure what right the committee has to review his dealings while a private citizen. If there were loans made while he was president I would agree. Would also agree if questionable loans were made while he was a candidate.
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This, absolutely 100%.

Anything before he announced his candidacy, should be off-limits.

Anything else just SMACKS of political stupidity
 
sjmay said:
This, absolutely 100%.

Anything before he announced his candidacy, should be off-limits.

Anything else just SMACKS of political stupidity
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So if someone had evidence that a sitting President was receiving illegal money or involved in money laundering or other illegal affairs prior to him announcing he was a candidate for President, then he should be exonerated? That certainly would be a great way of getting out of any illegal doings, just run for President and say exactly what enough people want to hear to get elected. And it might be a huge benefit in the future financially as well, since a lot of investors would probably view a former President as a valuable asset to their organization.
 
I bet Waters is talking out of her ass. I doubt Deutsche Bank is voluntarily handing over private bank records.

That's bad business.
 
roguenuke said:
So if someone had evidence that a sitting President was receiving illegal money or involved in money laundering or other illegal affairs prior to him announcing he was a candidate for President, then he should be exonerated? That certainly would be a great way of getting out of any illegal doings, just run for President and say exactly what enough people want to hear to get elected. And it might be a huge benefit in the future financially as well, since a lot of investors would probably view a former President as a valuable asset to their organization.
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Running for president, so you can avoid scrutiny? Did you think that through before you posted it?
 
washunut said:
Has congress ever looked into the personal finances of a president? Not sure I care much. That being said,what normal person would run for president in this environment?
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That is the whole idea ... see my "signature".
 
Obscurity said:
I totally support investigating Trump's illicit financial dealings. Remember, nothing he did prior to taking office is impeachable. It may be illegal, and handed off to another district to prosecute, but it is not impeachable.
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What are the reasonable grounds for an investigation?
 
apdst said:
Running for president, so you can avoid scrutiny? Did you think that through before you posted it?
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It was just said that things that a person did before running for President should be offlimits to investigate while they are President. If they believe they have enough time to avoid being discovered for something, why not run? It apparently, in some people's eyes, wipes the slate clean, allows for you to do anything prior to that announcement, so long as you actually win. That is what the post I responded to indicated.

The post I responded to was the one that was saying that a President's past dealings should be offlimits from investigation, even as far back as their announcement to be President. That is ridiculous. And if a policy like that were in place, then imagine what sort of crap a person could get away with.
 
apdst said:
What are the reasonable grounds for an investigation?
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Are you kidding?

These are the REAL issues the media REFUSED to cover in it's absurd fever dream over russia:

Trump and Saudi Arabia: Deep business ties spark new scrutiny - CBS News
Court schedules March arguments in Trump emoluments case | TheHill
Kushner family business got $30M investment from Israeli firm prior to Trump's state visit: report | TheHill

In their rabid hysteria over Russia, the media glossed over the fact emoluments cases against trump have moved forward. Problematic ties to Saudi Arabia, with emoluments issues as well as kushy security deals.

I want to know who this president serves. Me, or some Saudi or Israeli citizen? Why is he focused on giving Bibi a boost in his election, instead of fixing problems here? Why does he allow the obstruction of justice for the brutal murder of Kashoggi to continue?

These are -real- scandals, not the stupid russiagate scandal. There are legitimate questions around these problems.

To quote the third article:

Kushner’s company has also taken out multiple loans from Israel’s largest bank, and his family’s foundation has donated money to a settlement group in the West Bank, the newspaper reported.

Trump tapped Kushner to help lead his administration’s charge on peace efforts in the Middle East.

White House spokesman Raj Shah told the Times that the Trump administration has “tremendous confidence in the job Jared is doing leading our peace efforts, and he takes the ethics rules very seriously and would never compromise himself or the administration.”
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Really? This is why nepotism laws exist. This is why we have an emoluments clause. This is the sort of behavior that is intolerable to me, and is part of the reason I remained silent on the russia probe, because it was always a fools errand.

On THESE gounds, they can and should and have a duty to investigate.
 
apdst said:
What are the reasonable grounds for an investigation?
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Maybe some of the information that has come out through earlier investigations, including information that he was able to procure an awful lot of high loans despite having what would have been terrible credit for any other person in the world. Statements and testimonies from several people who did business (in some way) with Trump, that indicates that he was lying in order to get those loans, which is illegal. So what if it happens while he is President, particularly if he is going to run for a second term. Why should such things not be exposed to the public? And do you honestly believe that if someone elected to a federal office, particularly one as high up as the President might owe money to a foreign government, that this wouldn't be important information?
 
Anthony60 said:
Ah, Stalin would be proud of these tactics. There's no crime, and no indication of a crime, but we're going to investigate your life, until we find something we can use. After all, if you have nothing to hide, then why protest an investigation, right?

Is this the country we want to be? Sure looks like it's what the Democrats want. Find the man, they'll find a crime.
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Criminality is only one aspect. Whether the president is a nation security risk, can be influenced by foreign powers, etc. is also greatly important. If Trump has borrowed heavily from Russian sources and he doesn't have to pay interest as long as he 'plays along' with Putin, that should be a concern to all Americans. The fact that you don't care as long as he has an "R" after his name, says much about your loyalty.
 
MTAtech said:
Criminality is only one aspect. Whether the president is a nation security risk, can be influenced by foreign powers, etc. is also greatly important. If Trump has borrowed heavily from Russian sources and he doesn't have to pay interest as long as he 'plays along' with Putin, that should be a concern to all Americans. The fact that you don't care as long as he has an "R" after his name, says much about your loyalty.
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The issue with Donald is his illicit emoluments violations regarding the Saudis and his illicit dealings with Israel. He has acted without the best interest of the american public in mind, imho, when he allows brutal murders like that of Kashoggi to go unpunished; and in fact, entices further action by signing kushy defense sales agreements to the saudis after they enrich him by staying at his hotels.

He actually damages our well being by brazenly siding with Yahoo, by allowing Kushner to be his top go to guy with regard to the ME; he inflames tensions in the region which elevates the threat of terrorism, espeically when it's disclosed how much money Kushner owes Israeli banks.

The public deserves to know whos interest this president serves.
 
Anthony60 said:
First of all, don't "quote" me, and then change the quote.
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I notified everyone of my edit. If you want to whine to the mods, that's fine.

Secondly, you are severely misguided. Find the man, they'll find the crime? Looks like you have no idea what that means. He lied in court, on video. They really didn't have to look, the crime was right out there for all to see, nothing had to be made up, as in the attacks on Trump.
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Years of investigations and the worst "crime" they could find was Clinton denying he had oral sex performed on him by an intern? Why was he even being asked about his sex life under oath by a special prosecutor investigating financial crimes? Talk about perjury trap!
 
CMPancake said:
Bannon always looks like what Humpty Dumpty had a great fall, after being left out for the Summer.
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To me he looks like a raging alcoholic during a next day hangover. Wouldn't be surprised if he was in to coke.
 
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