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Mueller Finds No Trump-Russia Conspiracy but Stops Short of Exonerating President on Obstruction of

sjmay said:
Part of it is, I don't think he CARES how what he says, looks to others....
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Well, here's another point on which we agree.
which to me, isn't a bad thing, I hate measured responses, tell it like it is, simple as that,
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Would that he could do that. HE spouts a lot of nonsense and outright lies and pretends it is "true". He doesn't care if he gets caught in a lie, he just tells a bigger one. But here's the problem: Now his lies are hurting real people, and creating real problems. He won't listen to his Generals, he won't listen to his advisors - national security and otherwise, he won't listen to experts, he hires grossly incompetent minions, and hasn't filled hundreds of top agency positions, and nearly half of the cabinet are "acting".
Ninety-four of Trump’s nominees failed to garner Senate confirmation. As of Aug. 1, the administration had not named anyone for 167 key posts, according to the political appointee tracker.
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That's just gross incompetence.

I think he would be much more effective if he could shut up and get out of his own way,
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Oh, I so agree, and wish he would.
 
Fishking said:
I know that Mueller said there was no collusion, despite there being overtures by Russia to do so. I know that both the OP and yourself act like he's a giant idiot by supposedly missing something that would be obvious to him, if there was something there. So is Mueller an idiot for missing things that Maddow told you?

And, no, we have more than Barr's word, we have Mueller's assessment of the situation.
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let's see the report. why doesn't Trump's fan club want the report released?

rhetorical question there, lol. :lol:
 
dixon01767 said:
Hiring and firing FBI directors is a part of his job description. Obstruction of Justice involves doing something illegal like destroying evidence, fabricating evidence, suborning perjury. Firing a lousy FBI director on the basis of your deputy directors reccomendation is just doing the job of President.
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firing an FBI director who won't pledge loyalty or protect his criminal buddies isn't part of the job description.
 
Helix said:
let's see the report. why doesn't Trump's fan club want the report released?
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Non-rhetorical question: who, "Trump fan" or not, has said that they don't?
 
Helix said:
firing an FBI director who won't pledge loyalty or protect his criminal buddies isn't part of the job description.
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PROVE...that's WHY he was fired......or else it's just biased conjecture.
 
dixon01767 said:
No, [Mueller] has only made the accusation [that Russia did the hacking]. He would have to go to court to prove that. And I suspect their evidence that Russia did the hacking is nothing more than speculation that Russia is responsible.
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I agree. Maybe there's proof in his Report, I recall this accusation when made was challenged by experts based on metadata relating to the rate of file transfer (too fast for this to have been done remotely by hack, but at exactly the correct rate for on site USB download). I think that "Dot.com" fellow had something about this too.
 
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Attorney General William Barr has provided to Congress the key findings from the Report filed by Special Counsel Robert Mueller.

Key findings:

No further indictments recommended, no non-public indictments.

“The Special Counsel’s investigation did not find that the Trump campaign or anyone associated with it conspired or coordinated with Russia in its efforts to influence the 2016 U.S. presidential election.”

No conclusion by Mueller one way or the other as to obstruction of justice. But Barr and Rosenstein find no evidence to support charge of obstruction of justice.

Mueller Report – No Trump campaign conspiracy or coordination with Russia
 
Helix said:
firing an FBI director who won't pledge loyalty or protect his criminal buddies isn't part of the job description.
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Going to say it as well, Its the POTUS discretion to hire and fire as he pleases,

Pledge to loyalty to protect his criminal buddies? THE ONLY crime him and his buddies at the time WAS Russian Collusion.... We did NOT know of ANY financial crimes PRIOR to the SC

SO if the POTUS says I did not do anything. THERE is NO predicate or Crime to initiate just an accusation. He Fire comey because he wont even believe the person he works for. An SC is enacted and FIND NOTHING

this whole thing was justified including Comeys firing.... he no less of a scumbag than Trump is.

YES IT IS A JOB DESCRIPTION TO HIRE AND FIRE including the FBI Director.
 
Born Free said:
And from some source that you have no idea who it is that leaked, and you will believe that leak as long as it fits your dream that Trump colluded with the Russians and Obstructed. Yea that is pretty funny.
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that's funny coming from someone who believes completely in a four page summary written by a Trump loyalist who got appointed by auditioning.
 
Harshaw said:
Non-rhetorical question: who, "Trump fan" or not, has said that they don't?
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let's see the full report. that is my final answer to all of you. if it's unclear, i will link you back to this post so that you can read it again for comprehension.
 
Helix said:
that's funny coming from someone who believes completely in a four page summary written by a Trump loyalist who got appointed by auditioning.
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So you are saying that the Summary written by Barr of Muellers Findings is FALSE.

Why has Mueller not come out to rebut AG Barr if his 4 page summary of Mueller's SC is false?
 
Exactice said:
Going to say it as well, Its the POTUS discretion to hire and fire as he pleases,

Pledge to loyalty to protect his criminal buddies? THE ONLY crime him and his buddies at the time WAS Russian Collusion.... We did NOT know of ANY financial crimes PRIOR to the SC

SO if the POTUS says I did not do anything. THERE is NO predicate or Crime to initiate just an accusation. He Fire comey because he wont even believe the person he works for. An SC is enacted and FIND NOTHING

this whole thing was justified including Comeys firing.... he no less of a scumbag than Trump is.

YES IT IS A JOB DESCRIPTION TO HIRE AND FIRE including the FBI Director.
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Mueller Finds No Trump-Russia Conspiracy but Stops Short of Exonerating President on Obstruction of
 
sjmay said:
What exactly are you posting there....that's sure as hell not proof of WHY Comey was fired.
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do you need me to explain the simple concept of "let's see the full report?"
 
Exactice said:
Wait...."If a conviction is unlikely" That MEANS if it goes to court the jury would NOT have enough credible evidence to find the "ACCUSED GUILTY"

Here is a list to compromise our president? So its been 2+ years, What actions has COMPROMISED the POTUS as of CURRENT?

You guys are INSERTING your own conspiracies to fit your narrative.

1) Dont interfere with Mueller, Trump wants to fire him, Trump is going to interfere... BLAH BLAH, Harris screaming at Rosentstien to give mueller complete control. MUELLER WAS NEVER TOUCHED he conducted completely un altered.

2) Schiff we have concrete evidence, Pelosi, we have Evidence, Swallwell we have facts and evidence to prosecute. YOU NEVER even had a predicate or underlying crime..... WHAT was the underlying crime? being friends with Russians? WTF....


We will not know, AGAIN.... WHAT do you think is in the report do you THINK there is a CHECK from Trump to a RUSSIAN for propoganda, LIKE Smollette paying the 2 brother $3500. HOW about a text or EMAIL or PHONE call recorded LIKE Flynn to Kislyack, You think that would be in the Report thats "hidden" purposefully?


You guys are making Alex Jones blush...... Its kinda like this.

1) Hes Guilty, prior to the Release of the Mueller report
2) The Report is released to the AG, AG states the Mueller report findings. NOT evidence to substantiate collusion. OH but hes still guilty because we cant see the report for our selves
3) OK NOW likely the AG will probably release some of the Report (Like he stated his confirmation) But then you guys again.. OH the redacted portion is HIDING stuff..


Its never ending because you guys wont accept TRUTH and FACTS.. because its NOT your Truth.......

again... "Desperation is a stinky cologne"
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Why its President Trump publicly cling the Mueller Report exonerated him completely when even Barrs summary says THE OPPOSITE?

Let us see and read the complete report that Mueller handed in.
 
Exactice said:
So you are saying that the Summary written by Barr of Muellers Findings is FALSE.

Why has Mueller not come out to rebut AG Barr if his 4 page summary of Mueller's SC is false?
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We will not know until we read the Muller Report and see what it contains.
 
Helix said:
let's see the full report. that is my final answer to all of you. if it's unclear, i will link you back to this post so that you can read it again for comprehension.
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That's not what I asked. You asked why "Trump's fan club" doesn't want the report released.

Who, "Trump fan" or otherwise, has said they don't want it released?

Saying you want the full report released doesn't answer that question.
 
hanger4 said:
It will be after names of people who weren't 'persons of interest' are redacted, after the required Grand Jury information is redacted and after the portions concerning national security are redacted.

Be patient grasshopper
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So you say. I wonder if anything which contradicts the belief system of AG Barr will be redacted when all that redacting is going on?
 
NWRatCon said:
It was just announced by the DoJ that an edited version of the report will be available in weeks, not months. We'll know a lot more then.
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And that will be a REDACTED and EDITED version.
 
Jack Fabulous said:
What's a criteria?
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It is a plural of CRITERION

criterion[krahy-teer-ee-uhn]
SYNONYMS|EXAMPLES|WORD ORIGINSEE MORE SYNONYMS FOR criterion ON THESAURUS.COM
noun, plural cri·te·ri·a [krahy-teer-ee-uh] /kraɪˈtɪər i ə/, cri·te·ri·ons.
a standard of judgment or criticism; a rule or principle for evaluating or testing something.
 
Helix said:
that's funny coming from someone who believes completely in a four page summary written by a Trump loyalist who got appointed by auditioning.
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There are two things Mueller was to investigate, Russian interference and Trump colluding with the Russian. Mueller found some Russiana that he indicted for trying to interfere in our election. That was it that I know of. That leaves Collusion and Mueller's report said there was NO collusion with the Russians by Trump or anyone in his campaign.

Last, Mueller pushed off making a decision on obstruction and handed that decision to be made by the AG and Rosenstein, who found no evidence of obstruction.

Now you can say I don't believe a word of it. And that is better for you. That way you can keep your dream that Trump colluded with the Russians and obstructed justice.

You've been beating a dead horse from the minute you learned Trump was exonerated and everyone around him.

And I'm done responding, you keep saying the same thing over and over and over.

Bye :2wave:
 
Helix said:
Mueller Finds No Trump-Russia Conspiracy but Stops Short of Exonerating President on Obstruction of
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OK sorry missed the part to my apologies.

So can we accept that Trump did NOT collude or there is ZERO Russian collusion with Trump and his campaign? YES or NO?


Ok second. Obstruction.

1) Barr and Rosenstien have BOTH come to their conclusion that the actions taken by Trump are that not of Obstruction? Mueller had a CHANCE to make the designation YES OR NO? He decided to give it to Barr and Rosenstein. HE DID NOT HAVE TO.


2) Barr and Rosenstien looked through it... NOW here is the thing....... Glass half full or Half empty. You do NOT necessarily have to be guilty of a crime to obstruct I get it.... BUT was Trumps "desperate" actions of that a man who is NOW validated not guilty of colluding try to protect and solidify is innocent's by doing extreme acts? Like firing Comey?
2a) Think of it.... Comey YOUR FBI direct..... he works for your, Trump did not collude, but your Director doesnt believe you, has NO CASE of CRIME to validate the accusation and wants a special council. HE GETS fired, BUT an SC is still created and STILL FIND ZERO corroboration to the accusation?


HOW does that work as obstruction. basically ,
comey "did you collude with russian",
trump "NO and I want your loyalty",
Comey "I dont believe you",
Trump, "You are fired"
comey - leaks info for special council.


Special council complete NO Russian collusion? WTF over? Obstruction how???
 
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