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Mueller report summary sent to Congress

Chomsky said:
That's a fair point.

But here's what I'd do if I were the Dems:

Seeing as both the President and Barr can release the full report together, or independently, I'd run hard against Trump to release the report right into 2020. I'd make it personally about him (Trump).

I think the above would be a winning move, when 80% of the public wants the report released.
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#45 says he wants the report made public to ‘his people’. Since he always lies about consequential matters, he doesn’t. And we know how Barr feels from his past writings, as well as Kavanaugh.
 
Linc said:
Attacking the poster versus the post content, Common Sense1?

Posting names like bozo barr such as deranged donald does appear to have struck a nerve with you and other trumpbots.
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Like I said..... a 2nd grade post good for nothing!! I did attack the post??? it's garbage. Understand now?
 
MovingPictures said:
You can bet they will drag their feet in releasing the report, which is just absurd considering the IG report was released in full.

Congress will win the battle.
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Running on "Release the Report!" would seem to be an effective campaign strategy, in a country where 80% want it released.
 
Chomsky said:
No, not exonerated on obstruction. The letter specifically states he was not exonerated.
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"... After reviewing the Special Counsel's final report on these issues; consulting with Department officials, including the Office of Legal Counsel; and applying the principles of federal prosecution that guide our charging decisions, Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein and I have concluded that the evidence developed during the Special Counsel's investigation is not sufficient to establish that the President committed an obstruction-of-justice offense. ..."


Exonerated.
 
Common Sense 1 said:
Like I said..... a 2nd grade post good for nothing!! I did attack the post??? it's garbage. Understand now?
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Deranged Donald is the liar of all liars. His crime syndicate family is so very far from being exonerated.

And how about all of those felons that RTrump had closely surrounding him?

Continue with your personal attacks on posters, Common Sense1.
 
Chomsky said:
Running on "Release the Report!" would seem to be an effective campaign strategy, in a country where 80% want it released.
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And when the summary is an accurate representation of the report...?

And why not release all of it? The stuff which the Obama Admin relied upon to launch the investigation. Think that would work in the Dems favor?
 
Linc said:
We’ll see.
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we already did see unless now you don't believe the mueller report lmao.
no collusion
no obstruction.
 
MovingPictures said:
It's really not all that shocking.

I, like you, was agnostic on collusion and wanted to wait for the report. While it's clear people in Trump's campaign took bad meeting, after bad meeting, they didn't really have a conspiracy with Russia. When we saw neither Stone or Manafort indicted for conspiracy, that told us Mueller didn't have it.

It was always an attempt at a money grab for possible business ventures over there, such as 'Trump Tower Moscow'. Trump acted horribly guilty because well, he's just crazy and doesn't act like a normal innocent person would.

OTOH, the people the actually predicted some quid pro quo and treasonous findings, look absolutely foolish today.
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The big picture here, as you & I surmised and Micheal Cohen testified, is that Trump's Presidency is the result of a PR farce gone terribly wrong, and his farcical campaign attracted and accepted a cadre of neer-do-wells who willingly entertained Russia's immense overtures towards them!

That's it, in a nutshell.
 
ludin said:
we already did see unless now you don't believe the mueller report lmao.
no collusion
no obstruction.
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Are all the investigations completed?

When did trumpistanis begin trusting Mueller?
 
MovingPictures said:
Yep, make that a motivational goal.

The SDNY, EDNY, DC, and NY AG will continue to rip his campaign, Inaugural, charities, and family business new assholes, and IF they find something beyond the Daniels-McDougal stuff, the orange menace can be indicted right as he walks out of the gates.
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It'll be a political hit, but DOJ will shut down all of their investigations because can't charge a President for previous crimes outside of office. President's can be charged with crimes while in office. Liberals forget this.. it while Bill Clinton was never charged for **** during Ken Starr investigations (whitewater for example).
 
Linc said:
Are all the investigations completed?

When did trumpistanis begin trusting Mueller?
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yep the investigation on which the other investigations were hedging are over.
any other investigation into this matter is now just pure political bull****.

everyone knows it. if the morons on the left were smart they would just come out an
accept the report and move on, but we know they are not smart enough for that.
 
MovingPictures said:
Basically, Mueller refused to take a position on obstruction and abuse of power, but had issues with his conduct, and wants to leave it to Congress.

Rosenstein and Barr are worms for making it for him, when they are the presidents appointees.
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Agree with this. But now the narrative is out, and I’m sure republicans in Congress will not care since AG Barr has already made that determination for everyone. Can’t say that I’m shocked in the slightest.

I never thought trump was getting impeached anyway. I am glad to see there was no collusion, though, and that it’s finally over. I would like to see the details on obstruction and why mueller did not exonerate trump, though. Also, why was trump never put under oath? This has me scratching my head. How do you complete and conclude an obstruction of justice investigation thoroughly without probing intent? Even Hillary and bill were grilled under oath. I don’t get it. Kinda confused.




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Chomsky said:
Except for the obstruction cloud, yes Trump got a stellar report.

And still he just went on TV and lied, claiming he was exonerated on obstruction. He's his own worst enemy, and why so many like myself cannot believe him.
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According to his own Attorney General Barr, he got a stellar report. Until we read the report in its entirety and examine the evidence behind it, we cannot determine if the Barr opinion is factual or partisan.
 
Chomsky said:
The big picture here, as you & I surmised and Micheal Cohen testified, is that Trump's Presidency is the result of a PR farce gone terribly wrong, and his farcical campaign attracted and accepted a cadre of neer-do-wells who willingly entertained Russia's immense overtures towards them!

That's it, in a nutshell.
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Was that before or after Schiff's staff drilled him for 10 hours on what to say?
 
PoliSciXtina said:
Agree with this. But now the narrative is out, and I’m sure republicans in Congress will not care since AG Barr has already made that determination for everyone. Can’t say that I’m shocked in the slightest.

I never thought trump was getting impeached anyway. I am glad to see there was no collusion, though, and that it’s finally over. I would like to see the details on obstruction and why mueller did not exonerate trump, though. Also, why was trump never put under oath? This has me scratching my head. How do you complete and conclude an obstruction of justice investigation thoroughly without probing intent? Even Hillary and bill were grilled under oath. I don’t get it. Kinda confused.




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Except if we discover Barr was hot accurate in this summary, a whole new narrative hits the public and its increasingly ugly.
 
Athanasius68 said:
Prosecutors don't exonerate. As Giuliani has said, how does one prove a negative?
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That's why we need to hear from Meuller. Remember, Barr claims "A President cannot obstruct". Is that how Barr arrived at his conclusion?
 
Knock yourself out with selling that it's "true that he's repulsive as a human being with regards to our national character and respect for democratic institutions".
 
haymarket said:
Except if we discover Barr was hot accurate in this summary, a whole new narrative hits the public and its increasingly ugly.
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True. I take it we will learn eventually. It’s really up to congress whether the president obstructed justice, not the AG. They have the final say.


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Chomsky said:
That's a fair point.
But here's what I'd do if I were the Dems:
Seeing as both the President and Barr can release the full report together, or independently, I'd run hard against Trump to release the report right into 2020. I'd make it personally about him (Trump).
"RELEASE THE REPORT!"
I think the above would be a winning move, when 80% of the public wants the report released.
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I definitely think the vast majority of it should be released, no doubt
If they really do try to use Barr's summary and such, in their stonewall efforts, that's just sad. I think given the immense pressure on this, they won't win-out. I'd like to think Barr is gonna do the right thing in all meaningful ways.
 
Chomsky said:
But not by Mueller; instead by Barr who claims, "Presidents cannot obstruct".
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He was exonerated by the only guys who were legally able to do so.

Like Comey said in conclusion of the Hillary investigation: "... although the Department of Justice makes final decisions on matters like this ..." but then he didn't follow the law, although he pointed it out.

;)
 
Chomsky said:
But not by Mueller; instead by Barr who claims, "Presidents cannot obstruct".
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Barr didn't refer to that in the memo, though.

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haymarket said:
According to his own Attorney General Barr, he got a stellar report. Until we read the report in its entirety and examine the evidence behind it, we cannot determine if the Barr opinion is factual or partisan.
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Well he (Barr) claims "A President cannot be indicted", and perhaps that was the basis for Barr's decision not to prosecute.
 
gulfman said:
There was no collusion,case closed
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Yep, one matter down, 16 to go for Trump and his corrupt colleagues.

A Complete Guide to All 17 (Known) Trump and Russia Investigations | WIRED

Of course, the his big worry should be what is going on with the NY AG and the USA-SDNY.

austrianecon said:
It'll be a political hit, but DOJ will shut down all of their investigations because can't charge a President for previous crimes outside of office. President's can be charged with crimes while in office. Liberals forget this.. it while Bill Clinton was never charged for **** during Ken Starr investigations (whitewater for example).
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Whether or not the DoJ chooses or NOT to charge a sitting President, if crimes were committed it remains their job to investigate them. As it is the job of Congress. That all said, the State of New York can charge the President.

In the end, this will be political. Will America re-elect a man that is tarnished by corruption if that corruption is well documented? Not likely.
 
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