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Mueller report summary sent to Congress

Idiometer said:
That isn't what the report says. No one is exonerated, but the evidence is not enough to indict anyone for that conspiracy. Kind of like Hillary and her home email server. Dumb, but not enough into the "illegal" realm to file charges.
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That's a reasonable analogy, I think.
 
ludin said:
yep not enough evidence of a crime. exonerated.
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from todays NY Times

“While this report does not conclude that the president committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him,” Mr. Barr quoted Mr. Mueller as writing.
 
Chomsky said:
Depending on how well Dem rank & file believe Barr's conclusions on things like obstruction, it could rally the Dems.
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It's gonna be weak if there was no underlying crime, and on the heels of deputy AG Rosenstein and AG Barr agreeing no obstruction. Gonna be a big backlash, will it fade by 2020? Likely some. There may be other things Team-trump gets nabbed on, but they will all be diluted to some degree as a result of the "no collusion" chant being vindicated. Trump's dying breath will be "I told you so, no collusion".

Like magic, the other 1000 bad things Trump does on a daily basis, will somehow be obliterated in the minds of his supporters, as a direct result of "no collusion". It's quite a feat.
 
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ludin said:
according to bar not enough evidence have a nice day go eat crow now.
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Thanks but I'll wait for the full report.
 
MovingPictures said:
Basically, Mueller refused to take a position on obstruction and abuse of power, but had issues with his conduct, and wants to leave it to Congress.

Rosenstein and Barr are worms for making it for him, when they are the presidents appointees.
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Wow, still delusional.
 
ludin said:
no melt down i a just correcting where you were wrong.
there is not an intent clause in the statute that clinton broke.
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No, you're melting down pretty hard, dude.
 
TamleeB said:
Do not make the assumption that all conservatives did not believe in the Mueller investigation. How about you, did you believe in the investigation and how about the results?
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With all due respect, it's a pretty easy assumption. Conservatives here on this forum as well as all over the country have been trying for two years to discredit Mueller, pulling out all the stops in their lame attempts to besmirch his good name and solid reputation.

This investigation was not about anyone's beliefs. This isn't a religious question, it's a question of facts. As long as facts rule the outcome, I'm fine with that. Are you?
 
Chomsky said:
Agreed.
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Was just about to clarify my earlie remarks on a Bi Partisan Committe
1 full powers to subpoena
1 - Investigate Russian interference in the 16 Campaign
2- Investigate SM for issues related to the spread of misinformation.
 
Verax said:
Barr's summary is extraordinarily insufficient. It contains two things.

1. The Trump administration did not conspire with the Russians. This is the only noteworthy piece of information and obviously is significant.

2. Mueller made no determinations on everything else and is leaving it up to the DOJ to decide. Barr took that and said "no crimes, all good!".
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Point #2 could be a flash-point, considering Barr is on the record saying: "A President cannot obstruct""

We need the full report and I can guarantee you they are going to aggressively stonewall despite what they've said.
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Agreed. In spades.
 
This issue is such a “hot potato,” that is has been kicked back to the voters in 2020. Anyone with a functioning television and brain know what has been happening....




PS This will be “red meat” at every rally from here on out....
 
JANFU said:
Was just about to clarify my earlie remarks on a Bi Partisan Committe
1 full powers to subpoena
1 - Investigate Russian interference in the 16 Campaign
2- Investigate SM for issues related to the spread of misinformation.
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You still need the power of indictment though, to be fully effective. Otherwise subpoenas get ignored, and perjury faces no circumstance.
 
Cardinal said:
Yes, we we still very much need to see the full Mueller report.
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Quite honestly, one needs to look no further than the nightly news to see obstruction ...
 
Verax said:
Thanks but I'll wait for the full report.
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i know still in denial won't help you.
the summary is already out there.

no collusion
no obstruction
lmao.
 
Cardinal said:
No, you're melting down pretty hard, dude.
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yes we know you guys are.
this report was your huge gotcha and
well it was what you have been told for 2 years but
ignored facts.

no collusion
no obstruction
have a nice day lmao.
 
trixare4kids said:
It's a disaster for the anti-Trumpers... ;)
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Except for the obstruction cloud, yes Trump got a stellar report.

And still he just went on TV and lied, claiming he was exonerated on obstruction. He's his own worst enemy, and why so many like myself cannot believe him.
 
Chomsky said:
Point #2 could be a flash-point, considering Barr is on the record saying: "A President cannot obstruct""

Agreed. In spades.
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You can bet they will drag their feet in releasing the report, which is just absurd considering the IG report was released in full.

Congress will win the battle.
 
Chomsky said:
Except for the obstruction cloud, yes Trump got a stellar report.

And still he just went on TV and lied, claiming he was exonerated on obstruction. He's his own worst enemy, and why so many like myself cannot believe him.
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And yes trumpistanis will cover for that lie also. And #45 knows it.
 
Rexedgar said:
This issue is such a “hot potato,” that is has been kicked back to the voters in 2020. Anyone with a functioning television and brain know what has been happening....




PS This will be “red meat” at every rally from here on out....
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As well it should be.

While I wondered if impeachment was a possibility, it's off the table now. The public will need to see the full report and make their own conclusion at the ballot box.
 
Verax said:
According to Barr... we need the full report.
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You'll get what you get and you'll like it.

Are we seriously going to fabricate this crap for every president going forward?

Why would the best candidates want to even run after this charade?

Now we'll only get demented losers like Beto to run.
 
Cardinal said:
Why is it that Republicans melt down even when they have a victory? It's like their dials are permanently set to "pissed off."
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Perhaps because you liberals have pissed in our Cheerios since the day Trump was elected?
 
MovingPictures said:
You can bet they will drag their feet in releasing the report, which is just absurd considering the IG report was released in full.

Congress will win the battle.
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Since the Congress includes the Senate, I’ll have to disagree. McConnell’s been covering this up since September of 2016. This is not the Senate of 1974.
 
Jack Hays said:
As I read it, Mueller did not believe he found enough evidence to prosecute on obstruction, but did not rule out that such evidence might exist. I don't think it matters much because the finding of no collusion makes further pursuit a no sale.
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Trump's Russian Collusion situation has indeed come to an end. He has been exonerated on that issue.

The Dems may continue to make an issue on an obstruction, since that was a Barr - not Mueller - determination. In fact, I believe they will try to pursue this by interviewing Mueller, which I think is fair enough. I'd like to hear from Mueller myself, on this.
 
Plus Ultra said:
(you can read Barr's summary at the link)
I think it is time for the Democrats to acknowledge Hillary didn't lose the election because of some deal Trump made with Russians.
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No, she lost because

- "Basket of delporables"
- Ignoring a few key voting demographics/districts
- The electoral college
- A full-on anti-Clinton propaganda campaign carried out by the Russians at Putin's direction.

I think it's time for Trump supporters to admit that their boy had some help from an adversarial foreign government. Yes, he's the legitimate president, but to have been assisted, even unwittingly, by Putin is something Trump's ego would never allow him to believe, much less admit.
 
ludin said:
yes we know you guys are.
this report was your huge gotcha and
well it was what you have been told for 2 years but
ignored facts.

no collusion
no obstruction
have a nice day lmao.
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You say it's us that's melting down, but look at your writing style. It's like the last act of Flowers For Algernon.
 
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