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Investigations will continue despite submission of the Mueller report

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(CNN)As Robert Mueller exits stage left, the Justice Department will continue to pursue a handful of investigations—and potentially more prosecutions -- that began with or were bolstered by the special counsel's work. And a significant group of them still focus around President Donald Trump.


The still-live investigations range from an expansive probe into the Trump inaugural committee, to various investigations relating to former top Trump campaign officials Paul Manafort and Rick Gates, to tips that stemmed from Trump personal attorney Michael Cohen's experience with Trump and his family's company. It's possible other investigations are being conducted quietly, as well.


In all, Mueller leaves behind a mess of prosecutors in federal and state government still collecting documents, interviewing witnesses and prosecuting cases that may keep Trump's family and associates on edge for months.
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This is a PSA for everyone who thought "it was over". Those of us who have been closely watching all of this knew otherwise. In the meantime let's see what's in the Mueller Report.
 
I don't know how anybody thinks it's over. It will never be over for some (and never mind the expense to the nation).
 
Mueller was hired for two specific tracks: 1) to investigate potential Russian interference in the 2016 elections and 2) to investigate if there was any coordination between Trump's campaign and Russia as pertaining to 1). While there appear to be no more indictments at the end of this process, there appears to be no indication yet that Mueller has not passed on a plethora of leads to be followed up on by various other law enforcement agencies and prosecutors. This happy dance that Trumpsters have been doing is so hilarious because they are basing it solely on there being no apparent indictments beyond the huge list Mueller already put forth.

This is not the end, it is merely the beginning.
 
Of course it will never be over as the butthurt is still strong with Democrats. But unfortunately for them, they'll soon learn what voter backlash means as continued investigations in light of the absolute utter failure of the Mueller investigation to bring a single indictment for colluding with Russia will surely spur impatience and annoyance with Democrat's tactics.
 
Airyaman said:
Mueller was hired for two specific tracks: 1) to investigate potential Russian interference in the 2016 elections and 2) to investigate if there was any coordination between Trump's campaign and Russia as pertaining to 1). While there appear to be no more indictments at the end of this process, there appears to be no indication yet that Mueller has not passed on a plethora of leads to be followed up on by various other law enforcement agencies and prosecutors. This happy dance that Trumpsters have been doing is so hilarious because they are basing it solely on there being no apparent indictments beyond the huge list Mueller already put forth.

This is not the end, it is merely the beginning.
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The "resistance" will continue until January 2021. Then whichever party loses can start the new resistance on the next criminal in office.
 
Airyaman said:
Mueller was hired for two specific tracks: 1) to investigate potential Russian interference in the 2016 elections and 2) to investigate if there was any coordination between Trump's campaign and Russia as pertaining to 1). While there appear to be no more indictments at the end of this process, there appears to be no indication yet that Mueller has not passed on a plethora of leads to be followed up on by various other law enforcement agencies and prosecutors. This happy dance that Trumpsters have been doing is so hilarious because they are basing it solely on there being no apparent indictments beyond the huge list Mueller already put forth.

This is not the end, it is merely the beginning.
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Exactly correct. We don't know if Mueller has filed sealed indictments against Trump that open after he is president -- considering that it is Justice Dept policy to state that a president can't be indicted (although no such language or the constitution state this.) Moreover, Mueller had wide jurisdiction to prosecute other crimes found during the investigation.
 
Airyaman said:
Mueller was hired for two specific tracks: 1) to investigate potential Russian interference in the 2016 elections and 2) to investigate if there was any coordination between Trump's campaign and Russia as pertaining to 1). While there appear to be no more indictments at the end of this process, there appears to be no indication yet that Mueller has not passed on a plethora of leads to be followed up on by various other law enforcement agencies and prosecutors. This happy dance that Trumpsters have been doing is so hilarious because they are basing it solely on there being no apparent indictments beyond the huge list Mueller already put forth.

This is not the end, it is merely the beginning.
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No what is hilarious is that Democrats and the media have been breathlessly pushing the "Trump colluded and conspired with Russia" narrative for over 2 years and now that we see there are zero indictments they are trying to swiftly move on to other witch hunts to distract from their disastrous Mueller results.
 
MTAtech said:
Exactly correct. We don't know if Mueller has filed sealed indictments against Trump that open after he is president -- considering that it is Justice Dept policy to state that a president can't be indicted (although no such language or the constitution state this.) Moreover, Mueller had wide jurisdiction to prosecute other crimes found during the investigation.
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I've seen it reported that there are no new indictments,but also no sealed indictments....so I think we do kinda know that.

As far as it being over, the only thing that is over, based on this, is that there is no criminal conduct from Trump in regards and ONLY in regards to collusion with Russia or obstruction with the Russia investigation.
 
dobieg said:
Of course it will never be over as the butthurt is still strong with Democrats. But unfortunately for them, they'll soon learn what voter backlash means as continued investigations in light of the absolute utter failure of the Mueller investigation to bring a single indictment for colluding with Russia will surely spur impatience and annoyance with Democrat's tactics.
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i think you it is wise to wait until the final report is made public before claiming vindication. We already know that Trump associates gave polling data to the Russians and there was sharing of information with Wikileaks. We'll read what Mueller actually wrote about this.

We also don't know what Mueller found about Trump being compromised by Russia, which isn't a crime, but has severe national security implications.

Also, to set the bar as 'oh, although Mueller found a bunch of crimes, none was collusion, so all is ok,' is a standard we never accepted from any other public officer.

What we do know is that if the Administration fight release, there is damning findings in the report.
 
nota bene said:
I don't know how anybody thinks it's over. It will never be over for some (and never mind the expense to the nation).
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The "Never Trump" movements continues. It's not only a great expense as far as money. This has been a two year distraction for the President who is dealing with major world issues. Those in government who have spent their time going after Trump and not doing what they were elected to do should be voted out of office! They have put this country at risk for their own potential benefit.
 
Mongidig said:
The "Never Trump" movements continues. It's not only a great expense as far as money. This has been a two year distraction for the President who is dealing with major world issues. Those in government who have spent their time going after Trump and not doing what they were elected to do should be voted out of office! They have put this country at risk for their own potential benefit.
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In response, I only have three words to reply to that hypocrisy: Benghazi!, Benghazi!, Benghazi! That investigation lasted four years and came up with nothing.
 
MTAtech said:
i think you it is wise to wait until the final report is made public before claiming vindication. We already know that Trump associates gave polling data to the Russians and there was sharing of information with Wikileaks. We'll read what Mueller actually wrote about this.
We also don't know what Mueller found about Trump being compromised by Russia, which isn't a crime, but has severe national security implications.
Also, to set the bar as 'oh, although Mueller found a bunch of crimes, none was collusion, so all is ok,' is a standard we never accepted from any other public officer.
What we do know is that if the Administration fight release, there is damning findings in the report.
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So, do tell me, what crimes did Mueller find that he tied to Trump?
 
Barnacle said:
So, do tell me, what crimes did Mueller find that he tied to Trump?
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Sorry, Mueller didn't send me a pdf copy of the report. So, your question is moot.
 
MTAtech said:
Exactly correct. We don't know if Mueller has filed sealed indictments against Trump that open after he is president -- considering that it is Justice Dept policy to state that a president can't be indicted (although no such language or the constitution state this.) Moreover, Mueller had wide jurisdiction to prosecute other crimes found during the investigation.
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Special counsel Mueller has no sealed indictments as Russia probe ends: NBC News

Special counsel Robert Mueller has concluded his investigation and will not file any more indictments in connection with his inquiry into Russian interference in the 2016 campaign, NBC News reports, citing a senior U.S. law enforcement official.
There are no sealed indictments.
It is possible that leads uncovered during the special counsel's inquiry and handed off could lead to charges brought by state prosecutors or other parts of the Department of Justice.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/03/22/special-counsel-mueller-has-no-sealed-indictments-as-russia-probe-ends-nbc-news.html
 
washunut said:
The "resistance" will continue until January 2021. Then whichever party loses can start the new resistance on the next criminal in office.
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Yep! I don't like it, but when the next Democrat becomes President they are going to pay dearly for what their party has done. The way we govern is broken and now is the time to fix it. It's gonna have to start at the state level.
 
Verax said:
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This is a PSA for everyone who thought "it was over". Those of us who have been closely watching all of this knew otherwise. In the meantime let's see what's in the Mueller Report.
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Essentially it is over for Democrats...For 2 1/2 years you people have been telling us at every turn and twist that "This is it! Trump is cooked!" Now, it's coming out that not only is Trump NOT going to be indicted by Muller, but, that the report may not contain actionable information to aid in Democrats underlying plan to usurp the will of the American people in the vote of 2016, and remove him from office...So, the obsession continues for Democrats..They will pick apart the report for any and everything they can to use in the 2020 election, and obviously to hamper anything Trump wants as policy whether it would be good for the country or not...

So, have at it...I am really hoping that Democrats continue to show that their policies are destructive to America, and that they are singularly focused on rancor, and vitriol against their fellow American's, showing that they are in essence, anti American.
 
Mongidig said:
Yep! I don't like it, but when the next Democrat becomes President they are going to pay dearly for what their party has done. The way we govern is broken and now is the time to fix it. It's gonna have to start at the state level.
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It's gonna have to start at the democrats' state level.
 
dobieg said:
No what is hilarious is that Democrats and the media have been breathlessly pushing the "Trump colluded and conspired with Russia" narrative for over 2 years and now that we see there are zero indictments they are trying to swiftly move on to other witch hunts to distract from their disastrous Mueller results.
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I keep seeing this narrative, and I've been following this from day one, but I've yet to see any legitimate media outlet pushing the idea that Trump colluded and conspired with Russia. I do see the CEC pushing the narrative that left leaning media outlets have been doing it, but I've yet to see any real examples of them actually doing it. IOW, you've been fed a right wind media narrative that has no basis in truth.
 
MTAtech said:
i think you it is wise to wait until the final report is made public before claiming vindication. We already know that Trump associates gave polling data to the Russians and there was sharing of information with Wikileaks. We'll read what Mueller actually wrote about this.

We also don't know what Mueller found about Trump being compromised by Russia, which isn't a crime, but has severe national security implications.

Also, to set the bar as 'oh, although Mueller found a bunch of crimes, none was collusion, so all is ok,' is a standard we never accepted from any other public officer.

What we do know is that if the Administration fight release, there is damning findings in the report.
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We already know what Mr. Mueller says about the above: He did not prosecute Mr. Manafort for sharing polling data, and said in his indictment of Mr. Stone that the Trump campaign didn't know what Wikileaks had.

Fortunately for Mrs. Clinton, getting dirt on political opponents from foreigners who used foreign sources is not illegal. Such lack of laws apply to Mr. Trump as well.

None of the crimes found but Mueller had anything to do with a conspiracy to throw the 2016 election. American democracy is safe; there is no traitor in the White House.

As an aside, it's the spring off 2019, not the summer of 2016. The Trump Admin is over 60% of its way through its term. It's time to stop talking about theoretical possibilities of a compromised presidency with respect to Russia, and actually start showing it.
 
nota bene said:
I don't know how anybody thinks it's over. It will never be over for some (and never mind the expense to the nation).
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Mueller's investigation actually turned a profit!

But "investigating rich white dudes costs too much money so we should stop" is a new hot take.
 
Mongidig said:
The "Never Trump" movements continues. It's not only a great expense as far as money. This has been a two year distraction for the President who is dealing with major world issues. Those in government who have spent their time going after Trump and not doing what they were elected to do should be voted out of office! They have put this country at risk for their own potential benefit.
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Ted Cruz on CNN talking to Dana Bash:

"But, Dana, my point is, you ask Congressman Nadler whether the House is going to impeach the president and I'll answer that for you. Yes. They fully intend to impeach the president and they don't care about the basis," Cruz explained. "Twice Congressman Nadler said something remarkable. He said, 'Listen, the special counsel's focused on crimes. We're not all that concerned with crimes. Our focus is – this is Democrats in the House – is much broader than crimes.' What they're basically saying is they're going to impeach the president for being Donald Trump and they don't care about the evidence, they don't care about the substance."

"My point is the extreme left of the Democratic Party, they have so much anger and hatred directed at the president that we're going to see the Democrats move forward with impeachment, whatever the evidence, that's why you're seeing Democrats like Congressman Nadler say, 'Don't worry about crimes. Our focus is not on crimes. That's Bob Mueller's focus. Our focus is broader.' What their focus is is politics." Sen. Ted Cruz: Mueller Report Is NOT The End Of The Democrats' Attempt To Take Down Trump
 
dobieg said:
No what is hilarious is that Democrats and the media have been breathlessly pushing the "Trump colluded and conspired with Russia" narrative for over 2 years and now that we see there are zero indictments they are trying to swiftly move on to other witch hunts to distract from their disastrous Mueller results.
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Hey now - witch hunters have to eat too!
 
Barnacle said:
Don't need a pdf copy of the report ... no indictments = no "crimes" tied to Trump ... :lamo
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DOJ policy is that a sitting president can't be indicted, so the report could literally say "here's proof of Trump murdering a family in 2004" and you wouldn't see an indictment.
 
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