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Special counsel Robert Mueller's highly anticipated report handed off to Department of Justice

TamleeB said:
What is your opinion of Mueller, do you believe him to be an honorable man? I seem to recall that at one time you shared confidence in his abilities.
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And I do feel that way. I await reading of the complete Mueller report.
 
SLC said:
So what? you are kidding right? The whole meeting was a trap orchestrated by Fusion GPS who was under the employ of HRC and the DNC.
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Does Rod Serling narrate your posts for you?
 
haymarket said:
So you too have read an advance copy of the Mueller Report?
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When Valerie Jarrett's daughter "announced" on CNN that there are no more indictments from the Mueller report, you can be assured that there are no more indictments. (grin)
 
Barnacle said:
When Valerie Jarrett's daughter "announced" on CNN that there are no more indictments from the Mueller report, you can be assured that there are no more indictments. (grin)
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So you also have read an advanced copy of the report?
 
Grand Mal said:
Well, kinda.
The Steele report, way I read it, was started by some Republican group looking for dirt on Trump. Trump wasn't (and still isn't) universally adored in the Republican Party.
And why do you call it a witch hunt? If it is, it's uniquely successful. 30-some-odd witches caught, some pleading guilty. How many Trump associates, 6? I'd say if nothing further comes from it, it's brought home the bacon already.
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You are correct. It was the Republicans who started this during the primaries. Which is why I believe this whole anti-Trump thing has its roots in the globalism/nationalism thing. I call it a witch hunt because it is. Think for a minute Mal. Were there an investigation into all of the campaign staff of Hilary, do you not think they'd find tax issues with a few? How about the kaka they played with Flynn? Or the jerk-off grandstanding way they went to pick up Stone? Hell there wasn't even a special council and Hilary was caught fudgin' with Sanders in the primaries.

If Mueller's done a thorough job, that report of his contains some pretty darn damaging information in it. About all of them.

I've never claimed to like the personality of Trump. I understand that, in person he's fun to be around. But he does have a few obvious personality flaws. He's a mouth-piece. A blow-hard. Very unpolished as a politician. However...I have never sensed any real malice in the guy.
 
Buzz62 said:
A blow-hard. Very unpolished as a politician. However...I have never sensed any real malice in the guy.
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Then you need your malice meter recalibrated.

I have been following Trump since the 1980s and he has a lot of malice in him against anyone he sees as a threat to him or someone he sees a beneath him in social standing.

He will go out of his way to bury someone that he thinks wrongs him. He will also not think twice over screwing someone over, especially someone he sees as beneath himself.



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Taylor said:
Sounds like a big nothingburger.
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I didn't realize that you received an advanced copy of Mueller's report to base that conclusion.

I don’t know what’s in the report. I don’t want to speculate on what the worst-case scenario might be. But we do know that the special counsel had been investigating whether the president obstructed justice when he fired James B. Comey, then the F.B.I. director, in May 2017.

Mr. Mueller had also been examining Mr. Trump’s ties to Russia and whether anybody associated with his campaign conspired with the Russians during the 2016 election. Mr. Mueller’s investigation led to charges against more than 30 people, so far. This report has an importance that goes well beyond partisan politics, reflecting an investigation that yielded substantial results -- not least in establishing the degree of Russian interference in the 2016 election. Don’t forget that half a dozen Trump aides have been indicted or convicted.
 
PeteEU said:
Then you need your malice meter recalibrated.

I have been following Trump since the 1980s and he has a lot of malice in him against anyone he sees as a threat to him or someone he sees a beneath him in social standing.

He will go out of his way to bury someone that he thinks wrongs him. He will also not think twice over screwing someone over, especially someone he sees as beneath himself.



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And that differs from Hillary-Billary, or Wasserman-Schulz, or Pelosi, or Schumer, or even Mc Connel...how?
 
j-mac said:
If not you then someone just like you...You aren't special....
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Yep birds of a feather flock together. If he had been here during the Obama years there is no doubt what his position would have been on liberal issues.
 
trixare4kids said:
Their job is to RESIST Trump.
Watch them ramp up all their phony investigations.
Losers.
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It's a bit late to narrate this as "phony investigations." There have been 30 indictments and a number of both convictions and guilty pleas.

Among the possible crimes are:


  • Accepting (or causing his then lawyer Michael Cohen to accept) unlawful corporate contributions related to Karen McDougal.
  • Two instances of causing Cohen to make and/or accepting an unlawful individual contributions related to Stephanie Clifford and February 2015 online polling.
  • Two instances of causing Donald J. Trump for President LLC’s failure to report contributions from AMI and Cohen related to McDougal and Clifford.
  • Causing Donald J. Trump for President LLC to file false reports with the Federal Election Commission (FEC).
  • Making a false statement by failing to disclose liability to Cohen for the Clifford payment on his 2017 public financial disclosure form.
  • Conspiracy to defraud the United States by undermining the lawful function of the FEC and/or violating federal campaign finance law related to “hush money” payments, false statements, and cover-ups of reimbursement payments to Cohen made by the Trump Organization.
  • Conspiring with others to commit crimes against the United States, and attempting to conceal those violations, such as the episode surrounding the Trump Tower meeting in June 2016.
  • Obstructing Justice:
    • After taking office, Trump asked FBI Director James Comey to abandon the investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 election--which the FBI had already connected to Michael Flynn.

    Then there are non-crimes that are mere impeachable offenses, such as violating the Emoluments Clause of the U.S. Constitution.

    To characterize all this as "phony investigations" requires consuming a lethal dose of cognitive dissonance.
 
haymarket said:
So you have read an advance copy of the report.
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Nope, have just read ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, Fox all saying pretty much the same thing;

*A senior Justice Department official told CNN there are no more indictments coming from special counsel Robert Mueller.*

Eyes still wide shut
 
MTAtech said:
It's a bit late to narrate this as "phony investigations." There have been 30 indictments and a number of both convictions and guilty pleas.
Among the possible crimes are:
  • Accepting (or causing his then lawyer Michael Cohen to accept) unlawful corporate contributions related to Karen McDougal.
  • Two instances of causing Cohen to make and/or accepting an unlawful individual contributions related to Stephanie Clifford and February 2015 online polling.
  • Two instances of causing Donald J. Trump for President LLC’s failure to report contributions from AMI and Cohen related to McDougal and Clifford.
  • Causing Donald J. Trump for President LLC to file false reports with the Federal Election Commission (FEC).
  • Making a false statement by failing to disclose liability to Cohen for the Clifford payment on his 2017 public financial disclosure form.
  • Conspiracy to defraud the United States by undermining the lawful function of the FEC and/or violating federal campaign finance law related to “hush money” payments, false statements, and cover-ups of reimbursement payments to Cohen made by the Trump Organization.
  • Conspiring with others to commit crimes against the United States, and attempting to conceal those violations, such as the episode surrounding the Trump Tower meeting in June 2016.
  • Obstructing Justice:
    • After taking office, Trump asked FBI Director James Comey to abandon the investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 election--which the FBI had already connected to Michael Flynn.
    Then there are non-crimes that are mere impeachable offenses, such as violating the Emoluments Clause of the U.S. Constitution.
    To characterize all this as "phony investigations" requires consuming a lethal dose of cognitive dissonance.
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And all of them are nothingburgers, as Dilanian explained it correctly when Chris Matthews had a meltdown on national TV:

“Well, that’s the conclusion in front of us,” Dilanian told Matthews. “All of that stuff was suggestive, it didn’t prove anything.”
 
Grand Mal said:
Well, kinda.
The Steele report, way I read it, was started by some Republican group looking for dirt on Trump. Trump wasn't (and still isn't) universally adored in the Republican Party.
And why do you call it a witch hunt? If it is, it's uniquely successful. 30-some-odd witches caught, some pleading guilty. How many Trump associates, 6? I'd say if nothing further comes from it, it's brought home the bacon already.
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*The Steele report, way I read it, was started by some Republican group looking for dirt on Trump.*

This is not true Grand Mal. The Washington Free Beacon stop funding Fusion GPS when it was apparent Trump wins the nomination. Fusion GPS hired Steele after the DNC/HRC Campaign began funding.
 
MTAtech said:
I didn't realize that you received an advanced copy of Mueller's report to base that conclusion.

I don’t know what’s in the report. I don’t want to speculate on what the worst-case scenario might be. But we do know that the special counsel had been investigating whether the president obstructed justice when he fired James B. Comey, then the F.B.I. director, in May 2017.

Mr. Mueller had also been examining Mr. Trump’s ties to Russia and whether anybody associated with his campaign conspired with the Russians during the 2016 election. Mr. Mueller’s investigation led to charges against more than 30 people, so far. This report has an importance that goes well beyond partisan politics, reflecting an investigation that yielded substantial results -- not least in establishing the degree of Russian interference in the 2016 election. Don’t forget that half a dozen Trump aides have been indicted or convicted.
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And NOT A SINGLE ONE of those aides conspired to collude with Russia NOT ONE. Obama knew about the Russians that were interfering in the election and he did NOTHING. He is more culpable that Trump is. Russia has been meddling in US elections for a long time. Hell they may have helped Obama in 2008 and 12 as far as we know after all Obama wasn't worried about Russia and his opponents were.

In our system government we take evidence of a crime then investigate that crime. We do not just pick a person then investigate in hopes of finding a crime ANY crime. That BS is something that Russia will do.
 
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SLC said:
Yep birds of a feather flock together. If he had been here during the Obama years there is no doubt what his position would have been on liberal issues.
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It's a long worn tactic in here to get minutely literal when liberals have to answer, but when leveling charge against their opponents, well then no stretch is out of bounds....A sure sign of intellectual dishonesty, and outright weakness in their arguments...
 
hanger4 said:
*The Steele report, way I read it, was started by some Republican group looking for dirt on Trump.*

This is not true Grand Mal. The Washington Free Beacon stop funding Fusion GPS when it was apparent Trump wins the nomination. Fusion GPS hired Steele after the DNC/HRC Campaign began funding.
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That is true. It started with opposition research by the Cruz campaign. When that arrangement ended, the Clinton campaign and the DNC employed the same company to do opposition research for them. Naturally, and previous efforts by the company would be used. However, then things went well beyond normal politics. The report was given to the Obama Administration which then used it for partisan purposes and used it to get a FISA warrant to spy on the other Party.

Quite a change from how it started.
 
Buzz62 said:
You are correct. It was the Republicans who started this during the primaries. Which is why I believe this whole anti-Trump thing has its roots in the globalism/nationalism thing. I call it a witch hunt because it is. Think for a minute Mal. Were there an investigation into all of the campaign staff of Hilary, do you not think they'd find tax issues with a few? How about the kaka they played with Flynn? Or the jerk-off grandstanding way they went to pick up Stone? Hell there wasn't even a special council and Hilary was caught fudgin' with Sanders in the primaries.

If Mueller's done a thorough job, that report of his contains some pretty darn damaging information in it. About all of them.

I've never claimed to like the personality of Trump. I understand that, in person he's fun to be around. But he does have a few obvious personality flaws. He's a mouth-piece. A blow-hard. Very unpolished as a politician. However...I have never sensed any real malice in the guy.
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I agree with your entire post particularly the last paragraph.
 
ray188 said:
That is true. It started with opposition research by the Cruz campaign. When that arrangement ended, the Clinton campaign and the DNC employed the same company to do opposition research for them. Naturally, and previous efforts by the company would be used. However, then things went well beyond normal politics. The report was given to the Obama Administration which then used it for partisan purposes and used it to get a FISA warrant to spy on the other Party.

Quite a change from how it started.
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Absolutely...And isn't that a problem? I mean, think of if this were a Republican administration that went into action like the Obama administration did....

Let's say, that Trump in his last term, is involved in the election process, using his FBI, Judicial appointments, CIA, State Dept., DoJ, as well as foreign assets to gather, spy, and put out narratives on the opposition Democrat candidate for President, and continuing it into the Presidency to bring down said Democrat President if the candidate won....What would we call that?
 
danarhea said:
Others HAVE been indicted, and convicted too, and some of them were right in his inner circle. Did Trump take part in everything with them? Did Trump know about the hush money? My take is that Trump did not actively take part. He probably had a good idea of what was going on but didn't want to believe it, so didn't look into it. IMHO, that's not indictable. No intent, but it does speak to his character.
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For Tax fraud a taxi medallions. If they looked into every member of congress what percentage of them would be tax chests do you think? That doesn't make cheating on taxes right but its certainly not something Trump would know about before hiring them and its probably common in Washington.
 
SLC said:
And NOT A SINGLE ONE of those aides conspired to collude with Russia NOT ONE. Obama knew about the Russians that were interfering in the election and he did NOTHING. He is more culpable that Trump is. Russia has been meddling in US elections for a long time. Hell they may have helped Obama in 2008 and 12 as far as we know after all Obama wasn't worried about Russia and his opponents were.

In our system government we take evidence of a crime then investigate that crime. We do not just pick a person then investigate in hopes of finding a crime ANY crime. That BS is something that Russia will do.
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You don't know the portion in bold as a fact. Second, there is plenty of evidence of crimes, as uncovered by testimony from Trump's attorney and business associates. Third, the idea that Trump could be guilty of crimes but as long as none of them related to Russian collusion, he's off the hook, is a low bar never before offered any other president. We also don't know what sealed indictments against the president have been issued.

Moreover, as the Times reports, As Mueller Report Lands, Prosecutorial Focus Moves to New York, where crimes continue to be investigated.
 
apdst said:
It's a state crime to evade state taxes, not Federal taxes.

A state can't charge anyone with a crime for firing Comey. Not only wasn't it obstruction, but it would be a Federal crime if it was obstruction.
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If Trump or his family evaded NY state property or income taxes, they can go to prison for that. Only the NY governor can grant pardons in that case.
 
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