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Special counsel Robert Mueller's highly anticipated report handed off to Department of Justice

trixare4kids said:
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Oh look a meme that some 4 year old most likely came up with. Good for you. Yes, we know why Trumpettes are afraid of getting Trump under Oath because they know he will lie his ass off. It's ok, you should be scared of that like you are. Now runaway, your trix are boring.
 
Obscurity said:
I've said form that start Trump was too old and stupid to conspire with Russia. My hope for this investigation is to find out what Russia did.

And I am sure I will find out some of it.

What disgusts me is how conservatives are saying it was a useless fishing exercise. I think that's a disgusting way to act, and it only shows one thing; they don't want it investigated because if Russia did some shady ****, they benefited.
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I've always been prepared for the Mueller report to say "The evidence says Trump did not conspire with Russia ..." but I've been mighty pissed that Trump and others have said the very fact that someone would look into the allegations is evidence of corruption. If there was no 'collusion' Trump would know that. He should have said "Alrighty then. Let's get this over with. Look where you want to look. Talk to whomever you want to talk to. I'm innocent and you're going to prove it."

But that's not what he did. He called the whole DOJ, FBI, and intel community into question. He denigrated career government public servants. He humiliated his own hand-picked cabinet members.

So now, what does Trump do now that the investigation is over, and assuming it clears Trump? Does he kiss and make up with the DOJ, the FBI, the intel services? Are we now to go back to trusting these folks because all their hard work correctly concluded and proved what the president claimed all along? Or do we continue to hate them because they dared to investigate in the first place?
 
Mach said:
Oh brother
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Yeah oh brother.

You're now saying Manafort wasn't Trump's campaign manager and continued engaging in illicit behavior through the campaign?
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I have said all along what Manafort did, was in no way connected with Trump.

That Flynn wasn't Trump's pick, despite knowing he was under investigation?
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I repeat what Flynn lied about had not one thing to do with Trump.

That he didn't know Stone was a swamp dweller, having been friends with him years, and hired him as a campaign advisor?
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I repeat what Stone is accused of has nothing to do with Trump

That he didn't know Cohen, who he hired for 10 years as his personal attorney and fixer??
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I repeat wat Cohen is going to jail for had nothing to do with Trump

If you want to troll with the big-boys, you need to read more of their posts and try to find a style that suits you better than denying the obvious, in your first two posts.
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Try posting up some factual evidence to back up your claim. All I see is you flapping your gums without one piece of factural evidence to support your claims

There are about 120+ examples of deplorable posting behavior from right-wingers, it won't be difficult.
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Deplorable posting behavior. Where in the **** is the criminal behavior, post up the facts of crimes.

Collusion isn't a crime.
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Collusion = Conspiracy, where is the proof of Conspiracy and who did Trump Conspire with, (names please) and what did they Conspire to do? Post up facts. And did they accomplish what they conspired to do. Need facts.

We should celebrate that Trump, the worst president in modern history, for all his near infinite flaws...didn't ALSO knowingly work directly with Russia to help him win the election? We're supposed to celebrate that?
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The Mueller report as said no more indictments, meaning no conspiracy or obstruction. I take according to you, Mueller missed knowingly that Trump worked directly with Russia to help him win the election. I take it you have proof that Trump worked with the Russians that Mueller does not have. Post up your proof

Obama was the worst do nothing president in modern history. He was a complete failure. Tell me what accomplishment did he achieve that he can hang in his billion dollar shrine to himself. What would it be. Obama lied 36 times on air you can keep you Dr. bla bla bla, maybe it was what he did with NK, absolutely nothing, he put up is surrender flag and let NK build all the nukes they wanted. Or was it Obama taking on China that rips us off on trade by 500 billion a year and while he was at it what did Obama do to China to stop them from stealing our intellectual Capital. Not a ****ing thing. What did Obama do to get NATO to pay up their fair share, not a damn thing. Obama let NATO members pay what the wanted, and not one paid the 2% of their GDP. What did Obama do with NAFTA, to get a better trade deal. Not a ****ing thing. Obama lays down his RED LINE that Syria walked all over, he did nothing, he was to much a coward to enforce his own RED LINE. Obama pulls out of Iraq against all the generals recommendations and lets ISIS move in and when Obama finally sees ISIS taking over Iraq he calls ISIS the JV Team. Obama pulls back into Iraq to fight ISIS but the JV Team is to much for him to destroy. Trump comes along and deletes all of Obama's EO's making his EO's nonexistent.

Christ I could go on and on. But I ask again what is Obama going to hang in his billion dollar shrine to himself.





It's like a birthday candle on a dung-pile.[/QUOTE]
 
Praxas said:
Oh look a meme that some 4 year old most likely came up with. Good for you. Yes, we know why Trumpettes are afraid of getting Trump under Oath because they know he will lie his ass off. It's ok, you should be scared of that like you are. Now runaway, your trix are boring.
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Good morning, sunshine. :sun
 
austrianecon said:
Then you clearly aren't paying attention. The whole investigation was about "collusion" with Russia. Not one of them were charged with it. Majority of those charged were for identity theft and making false statements (this is gotcha police work) as everybody's story changes. So 100% of it was a witch hunt and people got caught up in their own personal crime activities.
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Wrong. The word 'collusion', if it wasn't first said by Trump was first said by a Republican trying to muddy the waters. Mueller was charged with investigating Russian interference in the election. His investigation resulted in 25 indictments against Russian operatives for interfering with the election. Majority, in other words, of charges are about interference. The other stuff came up as the investigation proceeded, and all of it, every charge, every guilty plea, was because of criminal wrongdoing.
No 'gotcha', no witch hunt, a successful investigation.
 
cpwill said:
Nah. Those were his FBI stripes. Comey cared primarily about protecting the reputation of the FBI, and protecting it from partisan attack, and made decisions that way. He should have cared primarily about the law, and, ironically, had he done so, that would have actually protected the reputation of the FBI, but :shrug:

His expectation (most folks' were) was that Hillary would win the election, and it would come out that the investigation had been reopened, and that he'd sat on it and kept it quiet, and the FBI would be accused of having protected her (which, to be fair, it did), and throwing the election to her. Just as previously wrt to the "It's Not Gross Negligence, It's This New Thing I've Made Up Called Extreme Carelessness" decision, it seems his main motivation was to avoid having Democrats decide that the FBI was kneecapping their candidate.

From a "how do I avoid the FBI taking criticism" angle, he was in a no-win scenario. Which is one of the many reasons he never should have prioritized that angle.



1. I care about the protection of classified information. I was a Marine - my life and the lives of my friends were the lives protected by keeping that stuff safe.

2. I also care about rule of law. It ought not matter who your husband was, or how powerful or politically connected you are, you ought not be able to break the law and get away with it.

3. Beyond that, it is a useful case in determining (on both sides) where sharp inconsistencies in claimed standards are being applied.
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What you're asking is, why haven't the Republicans prosecuted Hillary Clinton yet? That was one of the widest planks in Trump's campaign platform- Build The Wall, Lock Her Up, Repeal And Replace. It kinda looked like the Wwall didn't become a priority, a national emergency, until the Democrats took the House. Sneaky, suspicious minds like mine wonder if the true value of the wall, in Trump's mind, is not keeping out illegal immigrants, it"s how it can be used to make the Democrats look bad. If he waited until he could demand that the Democrats build it, maybe he's wanting to make a case for them prosecuting Clinton, too.
But I agree about the 'sharp inconsistencies' on both sides, and I sadly predict that nowadays and going forward the rule of law you regret not seeing here is going to take a back seat to political consideration. On both sides.
 
Stealers Wheel said:
I've always been prepared for the Mueller report to say "The evidence says Trump did not conspire with Russia ..." but I've been mighty pissed that Trump and others have said the very fact that someone would look into the allegations is evidence of corruption. If there was no 'collusion' Trump would know that. He should have said "Alrighty then. Let's get this over with. Look where you want to look. Talk to whomever you want to talk to. I'm innocent and you're going to prove it."
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He did exactly that. He provided all the documents Mueller wanted (millions of pages) and who he wanted to interview and he never fired Mueller.

He called the whole DOJ, FBI, and intel community into question. He denigrated career government public servants. He humiliated his own hand-picked cabinet members.
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Would you not stick up for yourself if you were accused of conspiracy and obstruction. Then you say he humiliated his own hand-picked cabinet members, you claim he humiliated all of his cabinet members, not true. Sessions needed to be taken to the woodshed, he was useless as the head of the DOJ. And he was fired.

So now, what does Trump do now that the investigation is over, and assuming it clears Trump? Does he kiss and make up with the DOJ, the FBI, the intel services? Are we now to go back to trusting these folks because all their hard work correctly concluded and proved what the president claimed all along? Or do we continue to hate them because they dared to investigate in the first place?
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Does Trump now kiss up to the FBI, no way in hell, after what the top heads of the FBI did to try to destroy him. There are still heads to roll in the FBI. The DOJ, Trump has in place a straight shooter that can and will investigate where he see fit and that includes the FBI.

Let's be honest, liberals hate Trump and will continue to obstruct on anything that Trump wants to get done for the better good. The House is not ever going to give him anything no matter even is they want it. Obstructing Trump and investigating him for liberals it's their only priority
 
So basically Mueller did the investigation that President Obama ordered the DOJ and FBI NOT do - investigate Russian involvement in American politics that President Obama was personally protecting as part of his post-re-election "flexibility" towards Russia. This included indictment of over a dozen Russian spies that President Obama was protecting.
 
Born Free said:
Well that knocks out Trump and Biden, the Starbucks guy may be your only option if he runs.

Biden I understand his handlers are pushing him to announce he is only running for one term.

US Politics is the greatest show on earth.
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I wasn't intending to vote for either of them, or Bernie, or Warren, though to be fair, she's 69.

He's a dark horse, but I like Andrew Yang. He is the only numbers guy running who has a stellar reputation. I hope he gets his name out there more.

Sent from Trump Plaza's basement using Putin's MacBook.
 
haymarket said:
I already said no. Why does this concern you?
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Why does what concern me?
That you don't know?
That you were never curious enough to learn any background information?
Or about who it was?
 
bubbabgone said:
Why does what concern me?
That you don't know?
That you were never curious enough to learn any background information?
Or about who it was?
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The first word I typed to you was NO.

If you think you have something to say - spit it out.
 
Hatuey said:
I He is the only numbers guy running who has a stellar reputation.
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Stellar reputation? Don't worry, Trumpsters can fix that! By the time they get done with him, half of America will believe he was Obama's illegitimate love child with Elizabeth Warren.
 
haymarket said:
The first word I typed to you was NO.

If you think you have something to say - spit it out.
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Veselnitskaya met with Fusion's Glenn Simpson the day before, the day of, and the day after the Junior meeting because she was working with Fusion.
I hope you won't make me tell you the importance of Fusion.
 
Stealers Wheel said:
Stellar reputation? Don't worry, Trumpsters can fix that! By the time they get done with him, half of America will believe he was Obama's illegitimate love child with Elizabeth Warren.
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Being part Indian couldn't hurt.
 
Airyaman said:
Nope.

Mueller had nothing to do with Cohen.
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Mueller discovered the crime and sent Cohen to the SDNY but Mueller team discovered the criminality they just let the SDNY prosecutor do the case
 
SLC said:
Mueller discovered the crime and sent Cohen to the SDNY but Mueller team discovered the criminality they just let the SDNY prosecutor do the case
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Yes, you are correct. I forgot how it went down, was thinking it all spurred from Michael Avenatti's "discoveries".
 
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