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Special counsel Robert Mueller's highly anticipated report handed off to Department of Justice

Apparently you believe Mueller is incompetent.

There will be no more portrayals of the military achievements and upstanding public servant for Mueller. He's going to be the Dems' enemy #1.
 
It wasn't about Russian collusion.

And the Mueller investigation has everything to do with a presidential candidate colluding with a foreign power to undermine the U.S. election process. Both were investigated. It looks like neither found evidence for what spurred the original investigation. And Mueller's was more than 7 times cheaper.


Which is it??
 
Kind of ironic after years of "Clinton blowie hearings", many years of "Clinton Benghazi hearings", and 8 straight years of calls to investigate Obama for not being a citizen, and all that turned out being absolutely nothing. Nobody loves investigations more than Republicans, they just happen to find themselves on the other end of the investigation this time.

So what do any of those have to do with the thread topic? You going to explain to me why Russia would want someone in the WH that is rebuilding the military, restoring American to a leadership position in the world, forcing NATO To increase funding, and delivering on the best economic results in the first two years of the Presidency of any President in U.S, history
 
I don't hate anyone. Not even Trump. Wanting a corrupt lying crime boss out of the Whitehouse is not being hateful. It's called justice.

You however are delusional. If you can't see the hatred Trump spews out on a daly basis denigrating anyone that dares to stand up to him you most certainly are delusional.

All those so called lies have hurt you, your family, and the country how? If you cannot see the 24/7 anti Trump bashing since the election then you are blind. Radicals tried to destroy Reagan, GHW and GW Bush, McCain, and Romney with none of these people actually fighing back. Trump is doing that and the left doesn't like it.

You are delusional and there is nothing independent in your posts, you are too much of a coward to admit that you are a liberal and anti Trump totally ignoring reality and the results generated.

Why would Trump want someone in the WH who forced NATO to live up to their funding requirements making them stronger, rebuilding the U.S. Military making it stronger, restoring our place on the world stage, and restoring our economy back at its rightful place on the top of the world? You see you do hate Trump for perception and focus on his personality not on what he has done in the WH
 
You already read the Mueller Report?

The Mueller investigation is complete and this is a simple fact that will never go away: not one single American was charged, indicted or convicted for conspiring with Russia to influence the 2016 election - not even a low-level volunteer. The number is zero.

Glenn Greenwald

And, I might add, no more indictments from Team Mueller, not even Trump Jr or Jared Kushner. Seems that Trump Tower meeting enters the dustbin of conspiracy theories.
 
You just went from cute to pathetic. And you STILL want to try to do any and everything possible except simply admit the fact that Bill Clinton lied under oath in a civil suit regrading sexual harassment of a campaign worker and then was caught on tape suborning perjury.

And so? Why are you being so picayune about an historical presidential event that is meaningless?

What Donald Dork has done is far more consequential. And what he has NOT DONE is even worse, because whoever replaces him will have his hands full and full-time correcting what is going to happen economically to the US!

Shall we have this discussion in two/three years time when a full-blown World Recession is happening? Shall we... ?
 
So its over. Mueller was allowed to do his investigation without any interruptions. He was allowed the time he needed, and all the resources he needed. Lets finally move on...
 
It's not really possible to have a president who isn't a narcissist, at least since George Washington, who didn't want the job. The whole point of running for president is that you think you have the unique, once in a lifetime talent that America needs.

Wrong!

Narcissism is an affliction that happens to a distinct minority of people. That WE, THE SHEEPLE, elect such disjointed mentalities is an error that we, and we alone, must learn to refrain from doing ...
 
This.

We need to accept the facts and not what we'd like to see happen. Clearly, the SC has determined that the interactions between Trump's circle and Russia/Wikileaks were not criminal in nature, and that's just a cold hard fact some people are going to have to deal with.

Now, that doesn't mean it's not important to read the report ourselves, we definitely should. There may yet be facts we need to know about that might not be criminal, but are never the less important for the public to know and interpret.

However, this doesn't need to be like the Clinton probe, where we don't accept the facts, when we don't like the subjects.

I say all this as someone that suspected a conspiracy until a few months ago.
 
Unless you are Beto who believes he was 'born to run.' Thats not narcissistic at all.

Exactly. Nor is changing his name from Robert to Beto. Nor is ME telling everyone here that I'm changing MY name from Peter to Peto narcissistic - I just know that what DPers are really interested is ME.
 
Who will be the first liberal to stand up and admit the entire thing was a lie from the start? Clearly you have taken yourself out of the running.

And you have NOT read a biography of Donald Dork's life before electing him. This guy has not changed one iota since he was ten years old.

So, now you are going to pay the consequences! (Open wide ... ;^)
 
This guy's history is written in concrete. There is no way to escape it. He is what he is today already at the age of 10. The world must revolve around him.

I found this bit particularly interesting:
*His father had enough of him (couldn't control him) at the age of 15/16, so he put him into a military school.
*Within a month his classmates in a fight tried to throw him out a second-floor window!
*His father pulled him out of the school.

Where did I read that? I can't remember. So?

So here is a snapshot of the biography written by WashPo journalists - and the main reason Donald Dork hates Bezos (who owns the WP): An American Journey of Ambition, Ego, Money, and Power. You need to be a WashPo reader to get in.

If not, there is this rendition: Trump Revealed

The above are excerpts from the book that give a pretty-good idea of his egocentricity ...

A 'biography' written from the WashPo stable was predestined to be a hatchet job.
 
Irrelevant! We're not talking about his biography! :lol:

YOU are not talking about his biography.

I am. He's not changed register since he was a narcissistic child ...
 
YOU are not talking about his biography.

I am. He's not changed register since he was a narcissistic child ...

Please explain how Trump's past is relevant to the results being generated while in the WH and why there is such passion to get rid of him on the part of the left? We have an election coming up in 2020 that the left is going to lose again if they continue to promote an investigate attitude for the next two years and offer the American people nothing positive
 
Please post your advance copy!

Mere citizens will not be able to view that dangerous document here in the land of the free and home of the brave.

Mere citizens reading it would endanger national security.
 
And you have NOT read a biography of Donald Dork's life before electing him. This guy has not changed one iota since he was ten years old.

So, now you are going to pay the consequences! (Open wide ... ;^)

Did you read the biography of Hillary Clinton before voting for her in the last election? Can you name one significant accomplishment that qualified her for the office of the Presidency? Seems you have selective outrage because you didn't get your way yet the American people are benefiting from the Trump economy and recognize those results through the poll numbers today on the economy with The majority in this country approving of the way Trump is handling the economy and it is pocketbook issues that people support not investigation and past history.

That past history of Hillary was she held every position not because of qualifications but because of her name and the results speak for themselves including the loss of an election that had nothing to do with Russia. Why on earth would Russia want Trump in the WH as what results generated have shown to warrant their support?? Increased NATO member funding? Strong U.S economic growth? Growing in U.S. military spending? Destruction of ISIS?

Why can't you people discuss issues instead of supporting politics of personal destruction?
 
I said before that this thread is mind-boggling and I was puzzled with the FACT that NOBODY here has read the report, but many here are making the wildest statements about it.

I said that I've NEVER believed (and this is demonstrable by my posting history given that I said it many times, much before the delivery of the report) that the impeachment or indictment of Donald Trump would come out of the Mueller report, and that hopes for that amounted to classical wishful thinking. I said that I continue to think it won't happen (listen to Nancy Pelosi for once), but I do acknowledge that this is a guess, because I haven't read the report. I'm not passing advance judgment on something I haven't read. I allow myself to guess, but that's as far as I go.

People who jump to conclusion quote the "no more indictments" part, which is the ONLY part that has already been revealed. Sure, it's good news for Kushner and Trump Jr., but not even this part is any clear-cut conclusion at this point, because of a couple of possibilities (again, not that I believe they will happen, but they are definitely still possibilities at this point): One, that Mueller does have convincing evidence of high crimes and misdemeanors but simply followed the DoJ existing tradition already expressed in memos, that a sitting president can't be indicted, and simply, as a loyal career officer, followed procedure: report to the AG, and let the AG refer the matter to Congress if there is need for it. Two, that Mueller wisely avoided a direct confrontation with the president and his family, also knowing very well that a presidential pardon would ensue or the investigation would be shut down and he'd be fired before finishing it, and simply and quietly provided the evidence without further action, hoping that a state court in New York will pick up the follow-up, which would be immune to presidential pardons and firings.

Again, not that I have strong expectations about the above; my point is just to say that WE DON'T KNOW YET, and I've expressed puzzlement at how people jumped to conclusion, here, one way or the other. Trumpsters seem to believe that the simple fact that the report was delivered is proof of Trump's innocence. Well, the report had to be delivered at some point, right? Why is the simple delivery, proof of anything at all??? Let's wait to learn about the CONTENT, shall we?

Then today I was thinking, why in the hell am I surprised? The way things are polarized these days, we know that the reaction would be like this, regardless of the content of the report, so, there seems to be no need to learn about this content, in order to issue this predetermined knee-jerk opinion. Let's say Mueller had extended his work to the utmost consequence of indicting the president (something that would completely rupture with tradition since it's the job of the House, not of the Special Counsel), his son, and his son-in-law.

The reaction here would be exactly the same. Trumpsters would still be dancing joyfully, saying "lies, witch hunt, no collusion, illegal indictment, it won't stand scrutiny, waste of time and money, nothingburger."

So, why was I surprised? The reaction here is actually not puzzling; it went as expected. Again, regardless of what Trump says or does or is or is not discovered about him and his family, all Trumpsters will continue to support him.

This thread is just more of the same.

In the news right now is the fact that another former president of Brazil, Michel Temer, has been indicted and arrested, AFTER he left the presidency at the end of his term. It happened as well to another one, Lula da Silva, who is currently serving a prison sentence. Neither one was indicted while in office, but only, after they lost the immunity of the position, when then, they got prosecuted. Brazil's constitution is very similar to the United States', having been largely modeled upon ours, when theirs was redrawn in 1988.

So, Trumpsters shouldn't rejoice prematurely. It is not at all excluded that after Trump leaves office, if still alive, he and/or his son and son-in-law might still face prosecution, especially in the State of New York courts.

But like I said, regardless of that, I've NEVER anticipated that Trump wouldn't finish his term(s), and I've NEVER believed that there would be impeachment and much less, removal from office (which obviously is the job of the Senate, which is controlled by the president's party). I don't engage in wishful thinking.

I've been saying, the ONLY way for the Democrats to remove Trump from office, is to field a good, viable candidate in 2020, one with actually an enticing platform, proposals, and ideas that appeal to the American people at large, especially swing voters (the polarized ones will never change). The Dems would be well advised to focus on getting a good candidate and real ideas, instead of focusing on indictments, impeachment, and other futile wishful thoughts.
 
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It's the old "Congress sucks.....except for my guy.....he's OK."

I have subscribed to this ^^^^^^^for as long as I have been paying attention to politics. That brings us to where we are, imo.
 
Read the indictments. The charge is "conspiracy to interfere with the 2016 U.S. Presidential election."

I hadn't known your kryptonite vision could also read through redactions to invent only the stuff you like. Putin-Trump & Fanboys have been living in mortal fear of the Mueller report and now it is coming down on you.


Read: Mueller indictment against 12 Russian spies for DNC hack

It comes days before President Trump’s summit with Russian leader Vladimir Putin.


Special counsel Robert Mueller just indicted 12 Russian intelligence officers, accusing them of interfering in the 2016 US presidential election.

They are charged with hacking the computer networks of members of Hillary Clinton’s campaign, the Democratic National Committee, and the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee. They allegedly coordinated to release damaging information to sway the election under the names “DCLeaks” and “Guccifer 2.0.”

In total, the indictment charges 11 spies with conspiracy to commit computer crimes, eight counts of aggravated identity theft, and conspiracy to launder money. Two of the defendants are charged with a separate conspiracy to commit computer crimes.

The indictment comes just days before President Donald Trump is set to meet with Russian President Vladimir Putin in Helsinki. Trump so far has said he believes Putin’s denials that his country interfered in the election in any way. According to Rosenstein, Trump knows about the indictment.


Read Mueller’s new indictment against 12 Russian GRU spies - Vox


I choose to link to Vox because of how much the Right needs to rail against 'em.

Why did you leave out what else Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein said about the indictments?

Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein said he has no evidence that the hacking changed the outcome of the 2016 election, nor that “any American was a knowing participant in the alleged unlawful activity.”

Read Mueller’s full indictment against 12 Russian officers for election interference | PBS NewsHour
 
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