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Garuda looks to scrap Boeing 737 Max 8 order after crashes

TU Curmudgeon

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From the BBC

Garuda looks to scrap Boeing 737 Max 8 order after crashes
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Garuda Indonesia is seeking to scrap its multi-billion dollar order for 49 Boeing 737 Max 8 jets after the plane was involved in two fatal crashes.

The move is thought to be the first formal cancellation of an order for the aircraft.

A Garuda spokesperson said passengers had "lost trust" in the plane.

It comes as investigators work to establish the cause of a recent crash involving a 737 Max 8, which killed 157 people.

It was the second fatal disaster involving the jet in five months. A Lion Air flight crashed in October, killing 189 people.

"We have sent a letter to Boeing requesting that the order be cancelled," Garuda spokesman Ikhsan Rosan told AFP.

COMMENT:-

You know that $80,000 "extra" that Boeing offered (even though it wasn't really necessary for the safe operation of the 737 MAX 8)? Would you like to bet that Boeing is going to be dropping the price by around 100%, retrofitting all of the existing 737 MAX 8s that don't have it "as a goodwill gesture" and refunding the price paid for it to those who did buy it?​
 
Boeing is whose trust should be lost...the plane is an extension of their apparently corrupted corporate structure and/or operations.

The number of errors that had to compound to lead to catastrophe of this scale is way beyond a "mistake", it's some systemic issue in their company, and I have never seen a case where can come from any place other than leadership.
Some weak leader(s) who have allowed politics (internal not national...I don't think) or incompetence to corrupt entire segments of their organization to the point they produced a jet that after take off, slammed into the ground.

We all know the types. Where it's hard to find good, sensible people in a company. Or worse, where arrogance and bluster are allowed to foster with the rationalization of "well they are also a genius", or "well I don't want to be the one to cross them".
Weak people *usually* will get weeded out at some point. But the arrogant idiots often can bully their way to leadership roles, where their incompetence and ignorance spread, sometimes to the point that what is likely a billion dollar research and mfg effort, ends in catastrophe. These are the real dangers. Weak CEOs or high level execs often replace competent people with "loyalists", often leading to a cascade of such choices, weakening the system from the top-down in a way that can lead to such catastrophe. That's my guess.

No doubt the responsible idiots are jockey to line up underlings and their competition at work, to take the fall, to hide from the cleanup crew that no doubt will bring the hatchet down on a number of people, if not entire divisions.
 
TU Curmudgeon said:
From the BBC

Garuda looks to scrap Boeing 737 Max 8 order after crashes
​

Garuda Indonesia is seeking to scrap its multi-billion dollar order for 49 Boeing 737 Max 8 jets after the plane was involved in two fatal crashes.

The move is thought to be the first formal cancellation of an order for the aircraft.

A Garuda spokesperson said passengers had "lost trust" in the plane.

It comes as investigators work to establish the cause of a recent crash involving a 737 Max 8, which killed 157 people.

It was the second fatal disaster involving the jet in five months. A Lion Air flight crashed in October, killing 189 people.

"We have sent a letter to Boeing requesting that the order be cancelled," Garuda spokesman Ikhsan Rosan told AFP.

COMMENT:-

You know that $80,000 "extra" that Boeing offered (even though it wasn't really necessary for the safe operation of the 737 MAX 8)? Would you like to bet that Boeing is going to be dropping the price by around 100%, retrofitting all of the existing 737 MAX 8s that don't have it "as a goodwill gesture" and refunding the price paid for it to those who did buy it?​
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FYI, this report would seem to seal the deal for Boeing:

CNN)An off-duty pilot in the cockpit of a Boeing 737 Max 8 jet jumped in to help crew disable a malfunctioning flight-control system as it experienced difficulties in October, according to Bloomberg.

The next day, with a different crew, the same plane crashed into the sea off Jakarta, killing all 189 people on board.
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A preliminary KNKT report said the crew of Air Lion Flight 610 struggled to override the plane's automatic systems in the minutes before it plunged into the ocean. The system pulled the plane's nose down more than two dozen times, the report said.

The report said the MCAS system was responding to incorrect data transmitted by an AOA sensor. A different flight crew experienced the same issue on a flight from Denpasar to Jakarta the previous day, but had turned off the MCAS and took manual control of the plane, the report said.

Once in Jakarta, a Lion Air technician checked the plane again and gave it the green light to fly on its final flight, from Jakarta to Pangkal Pinang on the Indonesian island of Bangka.

The jet crashed 13 minutes after takeoff.
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Source: (CNN) Extra pilot averted disaster on previous Boeing 737 Max 8 flight - report

Wow!
 
Mach said:
Boeing is whose trust should be lost...the plane is an extension of their apparently corrupted corporate structure and/or operations.

The number of errors that had to compound to lead to catastrophe of this scale is way beyond a "mistake", it's some systemic issue in their company, and I have never seen a case where can come from any place other than leadership.
Some weak leader(s) who have allowed politics (internal not national...I don't think) or incompetence to corrupt entire segments of their organization to the point they produced a jet that after take off, slammed into the ground.

We all know the types. Where it's hard to find good, sensible people in a company. Or worse, where arrogance and bluster are allowed to foster with the rationalization of "well they are also a genius", or "well I don't want to be the one to cross them".
Weak people *usually* will get weeded out at some point. But the arrogant idiots often can bully their way to leadership roles, where their incompetence and ignorance spread, sometimes to the point that what is likely a billion dollar research and mfg effort, ends in catastrophe. These are the real dangers. Weak CEOs or high level execs often replace competent people with "loyalists", often leading to a cascade of such choices, weakening the system from the top-down in a way that can lead to such catastrophe. That's my guess.

No doubt the responsible idiots are jockey to line up underlings and their competition at work, to take the fall, to hide from the cleanup crew that no doubt will bring the hatchet down on a number of people, if not entire divisions.
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You may want to take a look at my article, in post #3. It's chilling. And it calls Boeing - and our FAA - strongly into question on their delaying to ground the plane. Yow!
 
Chomsky said:
You may want to take a look at my article, in post #3. It's chilling. And it calls Boeing - and our FAA - strongly into question on their delaying to ground the plane. Yow!
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Pay attention to the top three of the FAA leadership.....Key Officials
 
Chomsky said:
I'm not crazy about that Boeing guy Trump put in charge of defense, either ...
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Did you notice “acting” in front of all their titles? Shanahan as well, lotta ‘acting’ in reality tv.
 
Chomsky said:
You may want to take a look at my article, in post #3. It's chilling. And it calls Boeing - and our FAA - strongly into question on their delaying to ground the plane. Yow!
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Its McDonald-Douglas and the dc-10 cargo door scandal all over again.
 
Would be very interesting to see if this affects the Vietnam deal that Trumpsters were all saying Donnie sealed. That was for the 737 MAX planes as well.
 
Rexedgar said:
Did you notice “acting” in front of all their titles? Shanahan as well, lotta ‘acting’ in reality tv.
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The ultimate double entendre`! :mrgreen:
 
Airyaman said:
Would be very interesting to see if this affects the Vietnam deal that Trumpsters were all saying Donnie sealed. That was for the 737 MAX planes as well.
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5 will get you 10 that (at a minimum) the Vietnamese have already drafted a letter to Boeing to the effect of:


"Due to recent developments, it has come to our attention that Boeing was aware of a potential safety flaw in the 737 MAX 8s that we agreed to buy AND that Boeing had deliberately NOT informed us of that potential safety flaw.

Accordingly, unless Boeing agrees to remedy that deliberately concealed safety flaw AT NO EXPENSE to us, our order is cancelled on the grounds of "deliberate misrepresentation of a material condition".
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Would you like to bet that such is NOT in the works?
 
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